[DrMekon]

I was just about to order the new Complete boxset, 26 discs, but was shocked to hear that some episodes have been edited... another example of PC gone too far...

Are any of the other boxsets available that are the original unedited as shown on tv..???

My dad would have been horrified if hed have noticed this, I hear even some of the original music has been changed...

Whatever happened to freedom of speech and choice...???

[brian s]

Most of it is to do with contracts with the various people involved in the production. Nowadays everyone involved will sign a contract regarding a video release. This was not the case years ago so older productions have to get the permission of everyone involved to release the video. This even includes the extras in the background shots. If they refuse then cuts have to be made or it doesn't get a release at all.

I was at my mother's when they repeated that episode with the exploding bus. There's a scene where they complain about how bad the nightclub singer is. My mother says that scene isn't on the DVD. I can only assume the singer did not appreciate the comments and refused to sign the release for the video.

I know some of The Last Of The Summer Wine releases have a disclaimer about being edited from the original transmission.

All the best
Bri

[SyStemDeMoN]

I have the series box set, havent watched em all, but havent noticed anything missing.

Things that might have been edited, is stuff that refers to the asian community, just words really, and prolly dont spoil the overall viewing pleasure.

I got the faulty towers series not long ago, and watched it open mouthed as they just wouldn't be able to get away with what they did then.

Thing is, its prolly not even the asian community that complains about these things, just someone somewhere that has nothing better to do than nitpick at things.

[Hugh]

List of Only Fools And Horses DVD cuts

A few words here and there and several scenes with new music or removed entirely when rights to a piece of music couldn't be got.

It's a sad state of affairs. Might as well stick to watching it on G.O.L.D. or whatever it's called this week.

[Goooner]

Originally Posted by SyStemDeMoN

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Thing is, its prolly not even the asian community that complains about these things, just someone somewhere that has nothing better to do than nitpick at things.

Your not wrong, there seems to be whole industry that's sprung up over the last few years that consists of people being offended on someone elses behalf

[krish]

Originally Posted by SyStemDeMoN

Things that might have been edited, is stuff that refers to the asian community, just words really, and prolly dont spoil the overall viewing pleasure.

Thing is, its prolly not even the asian community that complains about these things, just someone somewhere that has nothing better to do than nitpick at things.

Okay, as an asian Brit myself, who watched all the offending episodes on their original broadcast, as well as repeats I WAS OFFENDED by the completely unnecessary use of the word "****", particularly by Del Boy.

However, although removing them takes absolutely nothing away from the comedy, it also airbrushes out of history the fact that there was unnecessary racist language with absolutely no consequence ... unlike say Alf Garnett who was created by Johnny Speight as a satire on bigotry (although that went way over the heads of many viewers, and of course Mary Whitehouse). I have often thought about this matter ... and my current view is it should have been left on the DVDs with perhaps some commentary/feature critiquing or even apologising for it.

Its certainly not PC gone mad, and I say that as a 70s/80s schoolchild beaten up by gangs of kids (and their elder brothers) for being a "**** bastard stinking of curry who's parents have take our jobs and should go back to your own country" (I was born here, and my parents immigrated from south India well over 40 years ago).

I see the swearing filter has removed this word .... but to make it absolutely clear, its the first four letters of Pakistani.

[SyStemDeMoN]

Originally Posted by SyStemDeMoN

Things that might have been edited, is stuff that refers to the asian community, just words really, and prolly dont spoil the overall viewing pleasure.

Sorry krish, i was trying to say that the removal of these words/scenes DO NOT spoil the overall viewing pleasure.

I DO think however, that if the word you are refering too should be edited from this show(I do think that if it does cause upset to a particular group of people then thats fine, it should be removed or appologised for) then the word im refering to, which in my opinion is more offensive than the word your are refering to, should of been removed as well. I dont remember faulty towers exactley as it was aired, but they should of defo removed these two VERY racist words that appear in just ONE episode.

[brian s]

I'm sure many of the edits were down to the reasons were down to what I mentioned in my previous post here. I caught on to this show quite late and I can't remember the references Krish mentions but the very fact he is so annoyed makes me sure there was a problem.

The fact that Krish got Till Death Do Us Part when many white people did not proves he is not being over sensitive. I found his response very passionate and moving. Think again anyone who thought they had it tough in school.

Bri

[krish]

Originally Posted by SyStemDeMoN

Sorry krish, i was trying to say that the removal of these words/scenes DO NOT spoil the overall viewing pleasure.

I DO think however, that if the word you are refering too should be edited from this show(I do think that if it does cause upset to a particular group of people then thats fine, it should be removed or appologised for) then the word im refering to, which in my opinion is more offensive than the word your are refering to, should of been removed as well. I dont remember faulty towers exactley as it was aired, but they should of defo removed these two VERY racist words that appear in just ONE episode.

Sorry, I did understand that you also thought the removal of the words had no effect on the scenes/comedy ... so wasn't getting at you at all. I quoted you since yours was the first post to mention the racially charged material, and I just wanted to add my perspective .

[Clsmooth391]

I'm in full agreement with you Krish. The word you're referring to was used at least 3 times in one episode.

[brian s]

List of Only Fools And Horses DVD cuts
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a rough guide to the various cuts made to episodes of Only Fools And Horses released on DVD in the UK.

SERIES 1

All Episodes - The original introduction and closing credit theme tunes are replaced by the more tunes initially brought it at the start of Series 2.

Episode 3 - CASH AND CURRY
Music Cut: ‘Money’ by Pink Floyd.

1983 Xmas Special - THICKER THAN WATER
The following lines have been cut, possibly due to sentimental reasons. (Actor Lennard Pearce died in 1984 during the filming of Series 4.)

Del: "In all that time he didn’t know if Grandad was dead or alive."
Rodney: "Well we’re never that sure!"

SERIES 3

Episode 2 - HEALTHY COMPETITION
The theme to the 1975 film Jaws has been replaced with a similar track when the Policeman is walking towards the Trotter brothers in the marketplace.

SERIES 4

Episode 5 - WATCHING THE GIRLS GO BY
The following lines have been cut, possibly due to sentimental reasons. (Actor David Jason's then partner Myfanwy Talog died in 1995 from breast cancer.)

Albert: Some of them married now, are they?"
Del: A couple of ‘em are dead."

The following dialogue has been cut because of music.

Del: "Oi Orlando!
Von: (starts singing): "‘I would not leave you in times of trouble’."
Del: "Yeah that’s beautiful Vonny, that is really lovely you know. Yeah you’ll go a long way."
Von: (still singing): "‘We never could have come this far. I took the good times.’"
Del: "That’s really nice Vonny, that is yeah beautiful I love it."
Von: (still singing): "‘I’ll take the bad times’"
Del: "Yeah super…Oi Orlando."
Von: (still singing): "‘I love you just the way you are’"
Del: "Gordon Bennett, that’s my bloody ear’ole Vonny…"
Von: "Sorry Presh!"
Del: "Stone me, leave it out."

SERIES 5

Episode 4 - TEA FOR THREE
Music cut: ‘I who know nothing’ by Joan Baxter and following dialogue. (BOP1: P306)

<Albert is on the stage at the piano>
Lisa: Isn’t that your uncle?"
Del: What’s that soppy old duffer up to?"
Albert: I’d like to sing a very special song for a very special song for a very special lady who unfortunately ain’t with me tonight. I like to think this song was named after my dear sick wife. It is that beautiful ballad, Ada."
Del: Ada?"
Lisa: Is there a song called Ada?"
Rodney: Well there must be, he’s about to sing it."
Albert: ‘Ada, you with the stars in yours eyes, love never made a fool of you’.

1986 Xmas Special - A ROYAL FLUSH
Masses cut from DVD release + audience track added.

Following dialogue cut on both DVD and current transmissions on TV. Notice the unusual dissolve into the next scene at the Trotters' Flat.

<Vicky and Rodney are in Sid's Cafe>
Vicky: Cushty! Ciao!"
She exits. Rodney remains seated and totally dumbfounded. He picks up mug of tea and sips it. The old dosser wakes.
Dosser: Oi, that's my tea!"
Rodney: (Still in a trance) Sorry...(Reacting) Eerghh - you dirty old bark!"


No laughter track was in the original broadcast.
No reference to the driver, whom Rodney supposedly got the "Carmen" theatre tickets from. Originally Rodney said to Vicky in the car that he had contacts who got him the tickets, where you see the drivers' eyes stare at Rodney and then shakes his head.
Rodney's reaction at the expensive price of the promotional magazine for "Carmen" is cut.
The scene where Rodney escorts Vicky into the theatre room is cut as Junie asks Del why he didn't get her a promotional magazine of the play and he replies that she can't read.
1989 - Series 6, Episode 1 - YUPPY LOVE
Several cuts because of music ‘Love goes up and down’ by Errol Brown (Bible of Peckham 2: pages 20, 21,22)
Mickey: Jevon! Jevon!"
Jevon: What?"
Mickey: See the blonde bird? I’ve had her! And her mate. See the black sort at the back there! Phones me all the time."
Jevon: You’re a hell of a man, Mickey."
Rodney: Mickey, are you doing this for charity?"
Mickey: What d’you mean?"
Rodney: Well, I just wondered whether it was sponsored bull****."
Mickey: I’m telling you the truth, Rodney!

Two attractive girls pass by. They stop and smile at Jevon.
Girl in Disco: Hi, Jevon"
Jevon: Watcher, darling"
Girl in Disco: Not dancing tonight?"
Jevon: Not at this precise moment in time. But being a creature of impulse, I am coiled like a spring, ready to move with sirivous grace when the music takes me. If either of you should be in the vicinity when this occurs, then who knows, it could be your lucky night."
The girls both sneer at his flashness, but it’s an enjoyable sneer. (they like him and his style. Jevon laughs out loud at his own audacity as the girls move on."
Jevon: OK – I’ve given you two losers an audience, and now its time to do what I was put on this earth to do – to bring pleasure and excitement into the lives of attractive women.

Mickey: Quick, Rodney, phone the AA, tell them the sex machine’s broken down!"
Jevon: Do you reckon you could do any better?

Cassandra: Erm, was there something?"
Rodney: What?, oh yes. Would you like to dance with me?"
Cassandra: Thank you."
We see Mickey’s and Jevon’s faces drop."
Mickey: He’s paid her, that’s what he’s done! He’s paid her ‘arf the winnings!"
Jevon: Mickey – shuddup!

1989 Xmas Special - THE JOLLY BOYS OUTING
The beginning of the scene at the Mardi Gras Nightclub has been cut because of music ‘Just the Way You Are’ performed by Lee Gibson . This has resulted in a 4-5 minute gap in the video release (Bible of Peckham 3: pages 98-99)

Del: Blinding bit of scampi, innit, eh? It’s fresh an’ all, you know. Straight out of the sea into your basket."
Rodney: You don’t get scampi off the coast."
Del: Of course you do! It’s the sea, innit?"
Rodney: Yeah, but it’s Margate!"
Del: Yeah, I know that, but the scampi don’t know that, do they?"
Rodney: No, I s’ppose not."
Del: ‘Ere, what was that starter…um…Cassandra made us last week?"
Rodney: Moules Mariniere"
Del: Mmm! That’s it. They were lovely moules, an’ all, weren’t they, eh? ‘Cos she’s got style, see. I mean that Cassandra is a classy lady"
Rodney: I suppose so."
Del: No, no suppose so about it. I mean, a lot of people- you know, cheapos – would have used mussels – not Cassandra."
Rodney: We get on well."
Del: Mmm? Yeah, of course we do! Blimey!"
Rodney: No, I meant me and Cassandra."
Del: Oh I see. Well that’s good, Because I mean your missus should be more than just your wife, you know. She should be your best mate an’ all."
Rodney: Yeah. It’s just… sometimes you get the feeling…I don’t know how to explain it…Have you ever read a book…(realises that Del has never read a book)…Well have you ever seen the film where someone marries beneath themselves?"
Del: Oh, don’t start that, Rodney! You have not married beneath yourself! Cassandra comes from a very lovely family! Your problem is you’re letting her rule you. I mean, that cobblers tonight – you know, she wouldn’t let you out! I mean, what are you, a man or a mouse? You’ve gotta learn to assert yourself. I mean, I may sound old-fashioned, but you take my word for it, in the end a man likes a woman to be a woman! And a bird likes a bloke to be a bloke!"
Rodney: D’you know you’re right! "
Del: Mmm, that is Bonnet de Douche, as they say in the Basque"
Rodney: (Emphatic agreement) Absolutely!"
Del: Yeah, that’s it. Oh ‘ere, come on. Drink up, we’ll have another one…look who’s here, the three musketeers. (Calls) Oi Boycie! Boycie over here!"
We see Boycie, Mike and Trigger have arrived. Boycie: Hello Del"
Del: it’s good here, innit eh?"
Boycie: Stunning"
Del: Yeah, they got a magician, a singer and a comedian. The singer’ll be on a minute!"
The singer sings a few more words then reacts to Del’s line.
Boycie: So where are you staying."
Del: Oh, we got a lovely little bed and breakfast, ain’t we Rodney?"
Rodney: Yeah, it’s really good!"
Boycie: Yes, well me, Mike and Alan booked into a hotel down on the front."
Trigger I got a room in a motel. They don’t know I ain’t got a car. (winks in a fooled ‘em way)"
Mike: I’d keep quiet about that if I was you, Trig."
Trigger: Not half."
The Singer ends her act. Applause. Eddie enters stage etc.
Eddie: (Over the boy’s dialogue) And now the Mardi Gras is proud to introduce to you one of Europe’s greatest magicians. Ladies and Gentleman, will you give a big Mardi Gras welcome to the Great Ramondo and Raquel. Ramondo and Raquel on stage – magic begins etc."
Rodney: (Over the above introduction and entrance) Oi where’s Alan?"
Boycie: Oh of course, you wouldn’t have heard about that, would you? Well, you know how much Alan loves shellfish? Well he ate half the ocean bed today. Until at some time or another, he copped an unfortunate whelk!

1991 - Series 7, Episode 4 - THE CLASS OF 62
Music ‘Mighty Quinn’ by Manfred Mann cut from the complete Series 7 video from 2000 but can be heard on the earlier 1994 ‘Danger UXD’ video, so it is obvious that the BBC had the rights earlier but the record company has since withdrawn them.

1991 - 1996 - VARIOUS EPISODES
Scenes involving the music from ‘The Omen’ where Rodney looks at Damien have been cut from many episodes on BBC video and replaced by a similar track.

1991 Xmas Special - MIAMI TWICE: PART 1
Closing shot where Del and Rodney enter plane has been cut from video release.

Del: Hey, hey! Come on Rodders! (Singing) Everything’s free in America, kippers for tea in America. (To stewardess) Have a nice day."
Rodney: Oi! Pack it in, get on that aeroplane!"
Del: Alright, alright.

1991 Xmas Special - Miami Vice
Closing and opening titles. Original 'no audience' soundtrack to Part 2.

1991 - Xmas Special - MIAMI TWICE: PART 2
Music cut ‘Rockin’ All over the World’ by Status Quo at the start of the episode where Del and Rodney are on the plane but luckily no dialogue lost.

Music cut ‘Hyperreal’ by the Shamen when Del and Rodney meet the Mafia at the nightclub and the following lines cut. (BP3: pages 153-154)

Sal: Vacation."
Rico: Oh vacation! Yeah, yeah, I thought as much. Well, welcome to America."
Del: Yeah, well thanks very much, son."
Tony: We don’t get many Australians round here."
Del: Look, we are not Australian, right?"
Rod: We are British."
Rico: British! We love the British! Are you, erm, living locally?"
Del: Well no. No, we’ve got one of them camper things out there in the street, you know. We just whack our bags and what have you in the back and off we go. (Tony talks quietly to Lurch. Lurch leaves the club)"
Pauly: It’s the best way to see the country."
Del: Yeah, well, I mean – you can’t whack it, can you?"
Rico: (Confused) No, like you say, you can’t whack it. So can I get you guys a drink."
Del: Er, well, er no… "
Sal: (Quietly) I don’t think this is wise, Rico."
Rod: You see the thing is, we’ve gotta drive over to the camping-site…sorry the camper-park, before it closes see."
Pauly: Oh come on, you must have time for one!"
Del: Well, we can have one, Rodney, what do you reckon, eh?"
Rod: Yeah, go on then."
Del: Yeah we’ll have a drink with you – let’s introduce ourselves. This is my brother Rodney and my name’s Del – that’s er, short for Derek."
Rico: Hi, Rodney…Derek. I’m Rico. This is my cousin Salvatore and our friend Pauly. (Greetings and handshakes all round)"
Sal: Are you enjoying your stay so far?"
Del: Oh yes, er, great. No, we’re having a blinding time."
Rico: Why don’t you join us?

1992 Xmas Special - MOTHER NATURES SON
Music cut ‘Money’ by The Beatles – has been replaced by an instrumental tune.

1996 Xmas Special- TIME ON OUR HANDS The original version features Our House by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, the DVD version replaces this with a version with a female vocal. Also notice the female vocal saying "Dogs" instead of "Cats" that was sung in the original by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

There are also several edits to the pub music in the series but as the music is so quiet, these are not noticeable. The only edits removed because of taste are from Thicker Than Water and Watching the Girls Go By, (it was removed at the time when David Jason's partner passed away, although it has been reinstated on recent repeats).

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by krish

Okay, as an asian Brit myself, who watched all the offending episodes on their original broadcast, as well as repeats I WAS OFFENDED by the completely unnecessary use of the word "****", particularly by Del Boy.

However, although removing them takes absolutely nothing away from the comedy, it also airbrushes out of history the fact that there was unnecessary racist language with absolutely no consequence ... unlike say Alf Garnett who was created by Johnny Speight as a satire on bigotry (although that went way over the heads of many viewers, and of course Mary Whitehouse). I have often thought about this matter ... and my current view is it should have been left on the DVDs with perhaps some commentary/feature critiquing or even apologising for it.

Its certainly not PC gone mad, and I say that as a 70s/80s schoolchild beaten up by gangs of kids (and their elder brothers) for being a "**** bastard stinking of curry who's parents have take our jobs and should go back to your own country" (I was born here, and my parents immigrated from south India well over 40 years ago).

I see the swearing filter has removed this word .... but to make it absolutely clear, its the first four letters of Pakistani.

I'm sorry that this particular word has caused your childhood to be unhappy... The blame should be directed towards the real culprits... in a more humane world it is possible to laugh at yourself because there is no malice. I don't particularly like that word myself, and I don't like to hear people using it... but it is handy to be able to look at an old show, and see how things have changed over the years. 'Love Thy Neighbour' is never repeated at all, and in fact had racism as a plot outline for every episode. I feel that 'Only Fools And Horses' took a safer route, I would really miss not seeing an entire episode if it had parts missing.

I think that a warning on the box, and a message pertaining that the use of racist remarks are included, please do not imitate these remarks in any way, all humans have equal rights, treat everyone with respect... (not worded very well)

A message like this, but a full uncut version, would actually serve (I feel) as a way to remind the idiots in this world that racism is unacceptable.

[Hugh]

Brian, did you not see my link up there ^^^

Where's the "sticking tongue out" smiley when you need it.

[brian s]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Brian, did you not see my link up there ^^^

Where's the "sticking tongue out" smiley when you need it.

I managed to miss that. I've ordered my white stick.


Bri

No, it's nothing to do with the reasons you mentioned. It's to do with music and political correctness. If people don't like it don't watch it. Pure and simple!

Originally Posted by brian s

I'm sure many of the edits were down to the reasons were down to what I mentioned in my previous post here. I caught on to this show quite late and I can't remember the references Krish mentions but the very fact he is so annoyed makes me sure there was a problem.

The fact that Krish got Till Death Do Us Part when many white people did not proves he is not being over sensitive. I found his response very passionate and moving. Think again anyone who thought they had it tough in school.

Bri

[dUnKle]

ANyone know of anywhere I can still get the US sets from ?

[alphaomega16]

Funny how racist comments lately can only be classed as ok if the racist comment is being used by that race.

Bit of a wierd explination but dont want to get in trouble of saying it directly.

tbh TV > DVD Releases nothing should be taken away / added / modified as you are not getting what was produced when you watched it.

If they had the rights to use contend and people signed a document saying it was ok to show it on TV then it should also apply to VHS / DVD Sales as all they are doing is giving these episodes for people to keep forever.

Every program has racist comments (Just look at Soul Plane for example) but I guess thats classes as ok because of the people that were saying it which really ****** me off.

Also on these stand up comedian shows like "Last Comic Standing" There are people saying very racist things but its ok cause they are the race they are refering to.

[krish]

Originally Posted by bangles85

It's to do with music and political correctness. If people don't like it don't watch it. Pure and simple!

Its not "political correctness", its covering up / sweeping under the carpet totally unecessary and consequence-free racist language from the main well loved characters (most probably a BUSINESS decision)
- as I mentioned earlier I don't agree with cutting it out mainly because it airbrushes this dodgy period out of OFAH's / Sullivan's résumé

[JohnG]

I wouldn't bother watching on UKGold if you want to view these things uncut, they even pixelated an area of the screen when someone stuck 2 fingers up on one episode recently.

[fasterthanjesus]

give it a couple of months and they will be editing out "cockney".

[Matt]

Purely out of interest, and Off topic but do the pakistani communtiy use the offensive 4 letter phrase "internally" in the way that some of the black community (mainly in the US i guess) use the N word?

[DrWise]

Originally Posted by Matt

Purely out of interest, and Off topic but do the pakistani communtiy use the offensive 4 letter phrase "internally" in the way that some of the black community (mainly in the US i guess) use the N word?

nah see the black community use the N word as a meet and greet with the pakistani community they rarely call eachother **** but thats just my experience

[diamonds999]

It's nothing to do with people not signing contracts. Right back to the dawn of TV people were always required to sign for copyright reasons. And the 'singer' in the club, believe it or not, is an actress. The real reason the scene in the club in Maragate is cut is becuase the BBC didn't want to pay the rights for the song 'Just The Way You Are'.

[brian s]

Originally Posted by diamonds999

It's nothing to do with people not signing contracts. Right back to the dawn of TV people were always required to sign for copyright reasons. And the 'singer' in the club, believe it or not, is an actress. The real reason the scene in the club in Maragate is cut is becuase the BBC didn't want to pay the rights for the song 'Just The Way You Are'.

That may well be correct in this case but the contracts didn't always take into account video releases. Nowadays a DVD release is always expected if a show is a reasonable hit and the contracts take that into account but back at the dawn of TV no one envisioned such a thing. I'm not sure when the contracts began to take video into account but anything made before that point the BBC had to get permission from and pay everyone involved.

Bri

[maverick177uk]

Just my two pennies but I don't think any of it should be cut for language, there should be a warning on the box and if you don't like then don't buy. To me if this is the case we may as well just start burning DVDs as the did with books in times gone by, these programs and there language are a reflection of the times they were written and it should be left that way, I'm not saying I agree with the language, phrases etc but it's how it was written and should be left that way. I'm not a huge reader of books, but is it done as well on reprints? There is a WW2 film in which the dog is called n****r now this is totally changed I think they call it blackie now, now I don't agree with it but it was a reflection of the time now if they want to do this for TV fine however if I purchase the DVD it should be unaltered and let me as an adult decide what I think. I'm not condoning the use of these phrases I just think I'm an adult and should be allowed to decide for myself.

[IAN P]

[QUOTE=maverick177uk;12924630]There is a WW2 film in which the dog is called n****r now this is totally changed I think they call it blackie nowQUOTE]



It's the Dambusters, and the dog is still called ******.


Probably will be changed for Jacksons alleged remake.

[maverick177uk]

Not on TV it's not, I saw it not long ago and it's either called something else or bleeped out, thanks for the Dambusters though couldn't remember which one it was.

[brian s]

Originally Posted by maverick177uk

Not on TV it's not, I saw it not long ago and it's either called something else or bleeped out, thanks for the Dambusters though couldn't remember which one it was.

Last time I saw it on ITV all the parts where the dog's name was mentioned were just cut out.

Bri

[maverick177uk]

Yep that's what I meant just didn't write it very well.

[toddy28]

Four lions