[unique]

they are currently showing the second episode on E4, it's on thursday nites at 10pm on E4, it's by the same makers as shameless, and is a similar comedy/drama show, but about younger teenagers. subject matter is drugs, parties, booze, fags, mobile phones, bulemia and trying to lose virginity

if you like shameless, human traffic, etc, it should be right up your street. i was expecting someone to have posted about it last week as they are trying to push the show as the next cult thing, with the cast appearing on big brothers little brother, richard and judy, and getting plenty of ad time on C4 and mentions in the papers

it's a bit less stupid than shameless, not that it's not slightly exageratted

isn't anyone else watching, or are you all too posh to watch?

[jenic]

I watch it, its really good but will probably only appeal to young people. It's nothing like shameless really, but equally good.

[PoochJD]

Hi,

It's another one of CWhore's cheap-and-nasty chav dramas! A show written by chavs, produced by chavs, aimed at chavs, and - inevitably - watched by chav's who have no taste in good quality TV!

Sorry, but if you think "Skins" classifies as good quality British TV, then you aren't watching the right channels on TV!


Pooch

[bosque]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Hi,

It's another one of CWhore's cheap-and-nasty chav dramas! A show written by chavs, produced by chavs, aimed at chavs, and - inevitably - watched by chav's who have no taste in good quality TV!

Sorry, but if you think "Skins" classifies as good quality British TV, then you aren't watching the right channels on TV!


Pooch

Presumably you've watched the show to be able to make those comments ? Or are you another one of those television viewers who claim that they don't need to watch something in order to pass comment.

IMHO, Skins is up-to-date, well-written, funny and aims to provoke. Don't think I've seen any shell-suited types on the show yet but then I'm not looking for them.

[nwgarratt]

I won't be watching anymore. It is appalling rubbish. It makes it sound like it is being cool just because it has some nudity in it (second episode).

[unique]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Hi,

It's another one of CWhore's cheap-and-nasty chav dramas! A show written by chavs, produced by chavs, aimed at chavs, and - inevitably - watched by chav's who have no taste in good quality TV!

Sorry, but if you think "Skins" classifies as good quality British TV, then you aren't watching the right channels on TV!


Pooch

you've obviously not looked at the credits have you? in fact, you sound like you are slating the show without having seen the two episodes broadcast

simon amstel from popworld and never mind the buzzcocks is of the main writers. i've seen some lists where the definition of chav extends well past the norm, but he is one of the last people i'd call a chav. i'm certainly not a chav by any stretch of the definition myself, and whilst it might appeal to some chavs, i don't think thats it's core audience

what is your idea of good quality british tv?

they've been putting the cast members around various shows, and the interviewers have praised cast and crew for the handling of some of the issues such as bulemia. shameless is a chavier and more comedic show and doesn't bother trying to introduce any serious issues, but skins has

[Sick Boy]

Originally Posted by unique

simon amstel from popworld and never mind the buzzcocks is of the main writers.

Well, he wrote one episode, according to two of the actors on socceram today.

It sounds like they've covered a hell of a lot of topics in two episodes .

Not watched it, but probably will/should as it's filmed locally and apparently they were in the cafe up the road in the last episode.

[unique]

Originally Posted by Sick Boy

Well, he wrote one episode, according to two of the actors on socceram today.

It sounds like they've covered a hell of a lot of topics in two episodes .

Not watched it, but probably will/should as it's filmed locally and apparently they were in the cafe up the road in the last episode.

cool. trainspotting was set around where i live, or aroundabouts (it covers various areas in edinburgh). only some of it was filmed in edinburgh, some was shot in glasgow, like the tunnel club. if you read the book it names various places. the club they would have been at would have been the venue in edinburgh, and the flat that renton had was in montgomery street. i used to work with the guy who had the flat in real life (not the one in the film) as he used to go to school with irvine welsh, and he would usually got there to "chill out". i also knew a few of the people who got mentions in the books, the characters are formed by taking various personality traits from some of them. the pub where they have a drink after renton avoids prison is just along the street from me (again in the book, not the movie location). the opening scene is pretty well known locations, it was quite common for people to shoplift out of john menzies back in the 80s when the book was set.

if you like trainspotting you should love skins, it's a similar thing

[cabstar]

Hi

Have yet to see Skins yet, but looking forward to it, I do like Paul Abbots work.

Are the writers from Shameless now writing for Skins as Shameless has gone from one of my favourite shows to least with this series.

As for Shameless not handling issues, how about these of the top of my head

Homosexuality
Lesbianism
Single parenthood
Adoption / fostering
Teenage sex
Alcholism
Interracial relationships
Car crime
Drug taking

All of these issues feature in Shameless with no morality attached, this series used to be as real as real life itself, having worked on Northern council estates I can tell you scratch the surface enough & you will find people like the Gallaghers on every council estate in the country.

[PoochJD]

Hi Unique,

You said:

Originally Posted by unique

you've obviously not looked at the credits have you? simon amstel from popworld and never mind the buzzcocks is of the main writers. what is your idea of good quality british tv?

Okay...

1 - Watched episode 1, and loathed every second of it! Bad acting, a lousy script, and appalling scenes of sex and drug use, that only appeared to be in the show, just to be controversial!

2 - Simon Amstel: one word - complete t*sser! He's almost as clever as that other ex-E4 presenter June "I Get On Everyones Nerves" Sarpong!

3 - My idea of good, British TV? Well, other than most of the BBC period dramas, British TV hasn't produced anything really exceptional since the days of "Cracker" (The original shows, not the recent "final" episode), and "Prime Suspect"! "Torchwood" and "Dr Who" are okay, but the less said about "Robin Hood", the better.

Simply put: "Skins" is just a teenage version of "Shameless", but airing purely on E4! It has no merit to it, and it's about as exciting as smothering cold Pot Noodle over the dead, naked body of Mary Whitehouse, before tucking-in! and ! "Skins" is chronic British TV, with scriptwriting and acting so horrifically bad, that even "EastEnders" wouldn't hire any of the cast or crew! Give me any number of intelligent US shows, over our p*ss-poor British shows, any day of the week!


Pooch

[unique]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Hi Unique,

You said:

Okay...

1 - Watched episode 1, and loathed every second of it! Bad acting, a lousy script, and appalling scenes of sex and drug use, that only appeared to be in the show, just to be controversial!

2 - Simon Amstel: one word - complete t*sser! He's almost as clever as that other ex-E4 presenter June "I Get On Everyones Nerves" Sarpong!

3 - My idea of good, British TV? Well, other than most of the BBC period dramas, British TV hasn't produced anything really exceptional since the days of "Cracker" (The original shows, not the recent "final" episode), and "Prime Suspect"! "Torchwood" and "Dr Who" are okay, but the less said about "Robin Hood", the better.

Simply put: "Skins" is just a teenage version of "Shameless", but airing purely on E4! It has no merit to it, and it's about as exciting as smothering cold Pot Noodle over the dead, naked body of Mary Whitehouse, before tucking-in! and ! "Skins" is chronic British TV, with scriptwriting and acting so horrifically bad, that even "EastEnders" wouldn't hire any of the cast or crew! Give me any number of intelligent US shows, over our p*ss-poor British shows, any day of the week!


Pooch

but you said

Sorry, but if you think "Skins" classifies as good quality British TV, then you aren't watching the right channels on TV!

so what is good quality british tv at the moment, and what channel should we be watching? it doesn't sound like you think anything is worth watching these days thats made in britain

personally i think most shows broadcast in the "Prime time" 7-9pm slot are crap, which is why i usually watch films during that period. most of my fave shows are from the US, skins is one of the few uk shows on that i watch, apart from documentaries, news or music shows. i don't think there is a current british comedy show on uk tv worth watching (ie. a little britain/catherine tate type thing, rather than comedy drama like shameless)

anyways, simon anstel might be a ****, but you couldn't say he was a chav

[nwgarratt]

Current British TV is crap and there is nothing worth watching. Skins is one of the worst examples. I only watch US TV at the moment.

[cabstar]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Hi Unique,



3 - My idea of good, British TV? Well, other than most of the BBC period dramas, British TV hasn't produced anything really exceptional since the days of "Cracker" (The original shows, not the recent "final" episode), and "Prime Suspect"! "Torchwood" and "Dr Who" are okay, but the less said about "Robin Hood", the better.

Pooch

Hmmm how about The Office, Extras, The League of Gentleman????? Are these not exceptional tv programmes.

The US is currently going through good times at the moment, however remember for every Lost there is a Manimal, 24 a Fall Guy, Sleeper Cell The Colbys I could go on. The best thing to happen to US tv is HBO without that channel most american tv series we enjoy now would not even be considered for filming. HBO have pushed boundaries with American tv & I hope it continues but to say nothing good has been made in the UK since Cracker is a rediculous statement to make in my opinion.

Gary

[bosque]

Originally Posted by unique

anyways, simon anstel might be a ****, but you couldn't say he was a chav

Pooch's comments on "chavs" shows that he has very little idea of what a chav is or what chav culture would be like (for example, a chav would not read a book), and suggests that he also has no idea what would be an accurate representation of "teen-speak" other than to complain about bad-writing and scenes of sex and drug use (what's wrong with sex scenes for goodness sake ? or is that where the naked body of Mary Whitehouse image came from... ).

[nwgarratt]

Originally Posted by cabstar

Hmmm how about The Office, Extras, The League of Gentleman????? Are these not exceptional tv programmes.

From what I saw, those two were rubbish.

[unique]

Originally Posted by cabstar

Hmmm how about The Office, Extras, The League of Gentleman????? Are these not exceptional tv programmes.

The US is currently going through good times at the moment, however remember for every Lost there is a Manimal, 24 a Fall Guy, Sleeper Cell The Colbys I could go on. The best thing to happen to US tv is HBO without that channel most american tv series we enjoy now would not even be considered for filming. HBO have pushed boundaries with American tv & I hope it continues but to say nothing good has been made in the UK since Cracker is a rediculous statement to make in my opinion.

Gary

the office finished years ago, i don't think they are making another series of extras either, and i neve liked league, altho it's not on anymore, so what uk shows are there to watch?

the fall guy was a cool show btw, especially as a kid about 30 years ago

i never liked cracker. i couldnt understand why they gave robbie coltrane a drama like that, not that i watch anything on ITV

[unique]

Originally Posted by nwgarratt

From what I saw, those two were rubbish.

well there must be something up with your eyesight. he listed 3 shows

[cabstar]

Originally Posted by unique

the office finished years ago, i don't think they are making another series of extras either, and i neve liked league, altho it's not on anymore, so what uk shows are there to watch?

the fall guy was a cool show btw, especially as a kid about 30 years ago

i never liked cracker. i couldnt understand why they gave robbie coltrane a drama like that, not that i watch anything on ITV

Just because you do not like something does not mean it is not well made or poor tv.


Yes but Pooch mentioned no good shows since Cracker early episodes, these 3 shows where just of the top of my head in the last 3 to 5 years, however The Office has been a global success even being remade in America then broadcast back here, that is unprecedented in british tv history.

To just diss a whole countries tv output from the last 7 years is just so short sighted, I have respect for Pooch's work on these forums in his tv reviews but worry about his blinkered view of british tv.

How about Green Wing on C4?? One of my favourite tv series in the last 2 years & very very funny

Gary

[unique]

Originally Posted by cabstar

Just because you do not like something does not mean it is not well made or poor tv.


Yes but Pooch mentioned no good shows since Cracker early episodes, these 3 shows where just of the top of my head in the last 3 to 5 years, however The Office has been a global success even being remade in America then broadcast back here, that is unprecedented in british tv history.

To just diss a whole countries tv output from the last 7 years is just so short sighted, I have respect for Pooch's work on these forums in his tv reviews but worry about his blinkered view of british tv.

How about Green Wing on C4?? One of my favourite tv series in the last 2 years & very very funny

Gary

i think there have been other uk shows remade in the states and broadcast over here, but i don't think they did very well. mind, you can't really say the US version of the office is doing well over here. i couldn't even tell you what channel it's on. i must say however that the US office is really great, the third series has taken them well past the amount of episodes of the original, and the humour is still fresh thanks to great writers and cast

green wing finished ages ago too, bar the one or two specials. UK comedy is a bit on the thin side at the moment. my name is earl is the funniest show on tv, i also love everybody hates chris and ugly betty. apart from lost, desperate housewives is my other fave show. all US prime time shows. and not a single UK prime time show is on my viewing list

[PoochJD]

Hi Cabstar.

Originally Posted by cabstar

Yes but Pooch mentioned no good shows since Cracker early episodes, these 3 shows where just of the top of my head in the last 3 to 5 years, however The Office has been a global success even being remade in America then broadcast back here, that is unprecedented in british tv history. To just diss a whole countries tv output from the last 7 years is just so short sighted, I have respect for Pooch's work on these forums in his tv reviews but worry about his blinkered view of british tv. How about Green Wing on C4?? One of my favourite tv series in the last 2 years & very very funny Gary

I apologise if my thoughts on "Skins" has upset some of you, or seems blighted by the fact that I think it's basically chavvy TV. However, they are only my opinions, and everyone has the right to disagree with them, if they so wish.

As for diss-ing a whole nation's TV purely based on the last few years output, I didn't sya that. What I said was that - in my opinion - (and with regards to dramas, rather than comedy, sci-fi or whatever other genre of TV you care to name), "Skins" simply isn't that good! I am not dissing all UK TV. There are many shows us Brits can be proud of, but the fact is, there are very few recent UK shows that any of us would really call "classic" TV. "The League Of gentleman" is a good show, and I like it, but it's not the bee's-knees of British comedy. "Extras" - again, very good, but not a true comedy classic like "Fawlty Towers" or "Yes Minister", and it pales into significance, compared to the likes of "Frasier", "Family Guy", "South Park", "Kitchen Confidential", "Police Squad", et al. Even "Green Wing" had a fantastic two series, but was utterly ruined by one of the worst ever climactic feature-length finales, that totally ruined everything the cast and crew had built the shwo around!

I do know what a "chav" is, and I know what the term means. The fact that I may have misused the term, or used it in the wrong context, is something I will happily admit to being an error on my part, and likewise apologise for it. I guess I use the term in the sense of "another teenage, low-budget, issues drama, aimed at the lowest-common-denominator of Britsh teen society"! But, with that all said and done, I don't like "Skins" and I don't think much of yet another "teen-angst" drama show with sex and drugs in it, that really is nothing more than a rehash of other, far superior shows, like "Party Of Five", "My So-Called-Life", and even early seasons of both "The OC" and "One Tree Hill".


Pooch

[jonjones89]

I've gotta say that i love skins.
its already been given another series!

Hope this isn't seen as spam, but I made a website with loads of information about skins on it.
www.e4-skins.co.uk

[JayEm]

I'm liking Skins, the acting isn't great but the show is funny. I like Shameless too, though I'll watch anything that makes me laugh. I really don't think either show is meant to be dramatic or serious...

Makes for a good Thursday night anyway with Bones, ER and then Skins.

I've nothing better to watch.

[Guns_LotsOfGuns]

Bump for more opinions, is anyone else still watching this?

After the first episode i wasnt too sure at all, then after the second ep which was all about Cassie eating (or not eating!) i saw the show in a different light and i thought she did a really good job.

After watching what maybe 4 or 5 eps now im still warming to it, i think im in a weird spot when it come to this show demographic, im not in my teens so im probably not target audience, im not that old either (23) so i can relate to the characters a bit, and when there are scenes with language (or street talk if you will) which i imagine would completely alienate the older crowd i can still keep up (The episode with the black girl and her brothers comes to mind).

The show can be at times incredibly immature and then the next moment poignant (see cassie or chris's eps), some characters are better than others with Cassie standing out.

I get the impresiion this forums average age may be a bit higher than your average net forum, maybe this program is just pitched way out of the average posters demographic.

Or maybe i have bad tatse whatever i think its one to watch, it could go either way.

[jenic]

I'm still really enjoying it, but it seems an eternity waiting for it to come around every week.

[unique]

i'm still loving it, really great show and great storylines covering a different character each week and thier personal issues. it's a much deeper show than the initial trailers showed

[BenchyUK]

I saw an episode on the off chance the other day where the guys mum did a runner, left him £1k and all he did was party and spend the lot.

Overall i relly enjoyed the program and will probably watch the rest aswell

[Synchronicity]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Hi,

It's another one of CWhore's cheap-and-nasty chav dramas! A show written by chavs, produced by chavs, aimed at chavs, and - inevitably - watched by chav's who have no taste in good quality TV!

Sorry, but if you think "Skins" classifies as good quality British TV, then you aren't watching the right channels on TV!


Pooch

Careful you dont fall off that extremely high horse you seem to like riding so often

Ive seen all the episodes so far and have enjoyed every one of them,obviously a lot of the things they deal with are exaggerated and quite a bit of it is tongue in cheek but they seem to be doing it well IMO.

At the end of day,people have different tastes,and like shows that deal with differing subjects,but to try and ridicule or abuse people just because their tastes are different to yours just makes you appear ingorant as far as Im concerned. Even if you do think that anyone who is young and smokes the devil weed must be a chav

[meath man]

PoochJD - what do you classify as 'good quality brittish tv' ? it sounds like you have had a recent run in with a chav for you to develop such strong opinions on skins....
Personally i think skins is a great show which deals with a variety of issues prevalent in society - and whether its intentional or not, i think its a hilarious program

[Steve T]

I'm enjoying Skins too, harmless entertainment as far as I'm concerned.

As for quality British TV; well I can think of one programme currenly airing which compares (IMO) to the best of the American stuff - Life on Mars.

[Synchronicity]

Just watching last weeks episode through ondemand and for anyone confused about the definition of a chav-that bunch of girls that beat Sid up were 100% chav

Quality