[nico_4]

I want to find a web site that I can download new programmes that have been aired in the states.
I don't mean Per to Per websites. I don't mind becoming a member of a website so that its a legal.
The reason why I am asking is that there is a programme that I watch here in the uk that has ended, but the new series will be starting in the states in the next few weeks. The new series wont be shown here in the uk for another year. And I cannot wait that long. That's why I don't mind paying a membership so that I can download the new episode.
Does anyone know of a good website that shows new programmes that have just started in the states ?

Thanks
Nick

[Starburst]

There is no legal way for someone outside the US to download US specific/broadcast content, if you want to pay to be a member of a website that just compiles the torrents or hosts the files then fine but it's no different from using p2p or usenet, in the eyes of the law it's illegal

In fact I would rather you give the money to a charity and download the caps yourself then pay a third party for doing nothing, those people (and car booters/ebay pirates) are one of the reasons why the industry can argue for loss of revenues!

[Joe Pineapples]

I wouldnt get too excited about Lost eason three starting on the 4th October, if a website i was reading, is anything to go by. According to them

The third season of Lost is set to premiere on October 4, 2006. A new episode will air every Wednesday from the 4th until November 8th. Then another show will take the time slot until February. In February Lost will begin 17 new consecutive episodes.

Now i know the U.S have a habit of splitting shows up, half way through, but the above seems ridicilous. I just hope its wrong

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by Joe Pineapples

I wouldnt get too excited about Lost eason three starting on the 4th October, if a website i was reading, is anything to go by. According to them


Now i know the U.S have a habit of splitting shows up, half way through, but the above seems ridicilous. I just hope its wrong

I would actually prefer that to what they did last year with them showing 2 or 3 episodes then nothing for afew months then another new episode then another break and so on.

[Paulie_D]

Originally Posted by nico_4

I want to find a web site that I can download new programmes that have been aired in the states.
I don't mean Per to Per websites. I don't mind becoming a member of a website so that its a legal.
The reason why I am asking is that there is a programme that I watch here in the uk that has ended, but the new series will be starting in the states in the next few weeks. The new series wont be shown here in the uk for another year. And I cannot wait that long. That's why I don't mind paying a membership so that I can download the new episode.
Does anyone know of a good website that shows new programmes that have just started in the states ?

Thanks
Nick

Getting back on topic.

1. You can't do it legally
2. You can still do it, subject to (1)
3 [Edited to remove naughty content...sorry guys]

[Reign-Mack]

maybe you should have sent that in a personal message ? not very clever that

[Starburst]

Originally Posted by sweetie

I know that this practice isn't legal but is there anyone out there cracking down on it and if so, how? I know with mp3s they are mainly looking at uploaders but is there a way of tracking down someone using torrents. Also, is there any legal difference in dowloading a show just aired that's not available on dvd for the foreseeable future and a blatant dvd rip?

It's perfectly reasonable with the current technology and legislation for a enforcement arm of the media industry to use p2p themselves and track seeds and everyone that links to them by their IP. Given the right circumstance that could be extened to usenet as well although the media industry has less appetite for taking on thousands of well funded ISP's and independent usenet providors, so much easy to go after large scale p2p users and ebay/carboot sellers.
Given the nature of p2p as upload and download then there is little grey area in the argument that you are not distributing which is the main factor in current prosecutions.
From a legal standpoint I doubt that there is any difference between a DVD (R1 or R2) rip and a TV capture of a show. However if someone in the UK downloaded the latest Dr. Who becuase they missed it and then it would be hard to convince anyone they were stealing but of course copyright still prevent unauthorised distribution regardless of if the content was "free" in the first place or not.

[sweetie]

Thanks. So does that mean they are not doing anything about it yet but could do retrospectively?

[Starburst]

Originally Posted by sweetie

Thanks. So does that mean they are not doing anything about it yet but could do retrospectively?

There have been some big profile cases in the US of hitting file sharers (some kids and military cadets I recall) which I suspect has more to do with publicity and setting their stall out in the hopes of "persuading" people to stop. However I don't think there have been many p2p/usenet prosecutions in the UK simply because the FAST/FACT have been (quite rightly) going after the major revenue earners such as ebay/carboot sellers where there is an easy case to be made in court.

I think most people support the right of the industry to prosecute large scale pirates while at the same time fair use and simple copying for a friend (which always existed with VHS) is untouched. If the industry starts getting big brother on us with ISP searches and other "spook" stuff over a few songs and tv/movies then they risk a backlash which could damage them in the long term.

The AVForums podcasts (eps 12, 13 and the upcoming 14th) are covering piracy and well worth a listen too.

[Paulie_D]

I don't claim to be an expert here but to me downloading music & movies is piracy and I'm dead against it. In those cases, you are taking money out of the hands of the artists & distributers becasue you won't be buying the Single/CD or going to the movie.

Downloading TV programs is, IMHO, another matter. As I understand it, it's illegal because you are breaching copyright etc., but, and, I think I have this correct, the copyright holder would have to demonstrate a material LOSS of income or something because of your action in order to 'prosecute'

(Anyone any definite info?)

In the case of a TV program (not a DVD Rip), you don't pay for the actual program itself, you pay for a service (in the case of SKY, NTL etc). The TV station makes it's money from advertising/subscription etc.

I suppose there is an argument that you won't buy the DVD but if I really like the series then I'll buy the DVD and delete what I have to save some disk space.

Otherwise, I'm just seeing the episode earlier than I normally would and I delete the file once I've finished with it. (After seeding for a while to get credits.)

Anyway. my 2 cents donated

[Singh400]

Originally Posted by Paulie_D

I don't claim to be an expert here but to me downloading music & movies is piracy and I'm dead against it. In those cases, you are taking money out of the hands of the artists & distributers becasue you won't be buying the Single/CD or going to the movie.

Well thats not striclty true, there have been a number of occassions where I have downloaded a movie/album/whatever and liked it so much, that I went out the next day and payed for the movie/album/whatever.

As in regards to TV Shows, I download them and when the boxset or complete boxset I buy that.

[Paulie_D]

Originally Posted by Singh400

Well thats not striclty true, there have been a number of occassions where I have downloaded a movie/album/whatever and liked it so much, that I went out the next day and payed for the movie/album/whatever.

As in regards to TV Shows, I download them and when the boxset or complete boxset I buy that.

You said "there have been a number of occassions"...from which I infer that there have been occasions where you haven't bought the CD or whatever.

I think my point, which was general (and is one man's opinion), is still valid.

[Singh400]

Originally Posted by Paulie_D

You said "there have been a number of occassions"...from which I infer that there have been occasions where you haven't bought the CD or whatever.

I think my point, which was general (and is one man's opinion), is still valid.

Well thats because 90% of the stuff out there is utter **** and not worth spending your money on.

[krish]

I agree, and would add that we, the fans/downloaders, are probably the biggest consumers of kosher DVD boxsets ..... its a win win economic situation that the greedy entertainment industry repeatedly fails to comprehend (whatever the audio/video/format).

In fact they are in collusion with downloaders on the one hand (happily profiteering off blank media; show execs interacting with international audiences in podcasts and forums, when the only way most non-domestic viewers would have seen the show is by downloading); and sending the boys round on the other

[Tejstar]

While I am not advocating the use of piracy, I do download films regularly and have actually found that it has opened up films to me that normally I would never have seen. The fact that they are free opens up less mainstream films to me as well as ones that are well marketed and touted as ‘must-sees’. I wonder when we’ll move to a Napster approach and pay a set amount per month to watch as many films as you want (taking the MP3 analogy). I imagine it could be quite popular.

[Stuart Wright]

Closing this thread. It's illegal. Until it isn't I'm afraid it's not up for discussion here.