[Robert85]

Anyone else think the quality was worse than yesterday?

[pixelpidgeon]

only saw the german match yesterday. i think the quality, mainly fiinishing was better. I enjoyed togdays game still. Its sounds like a copout but i think the heat and owen going off did us no favours in the second half today. Got the points though... lets hope the weahther calms down a bit for next thursday.

cheers pixel

[chrissyman]

was he refering to the hd quality?

[Robert85]

Yes, I am on about today's England match in HD. I saw Germany's game yesterday and was astounded by the quality, however today's didn't seem as good

yep hdpq was not as good as yesterday,I also kept switching between normal bbc and bbc hd hard pushed to tell any differance.

[Robert85]

Originally Posted by terrynewbould@y

yep hdpq was not as good as yesterday,I also kept switching between normal bbc and bbc hd hard pushed to tell any differance.

I did the same. Am glad I wasn't the only one. Yesterday's was stunning...

[dan1979]

Harder to judge due to those awful shadows all over the place, was definitely better than BBC1 coverage.

[Cable Monkey]

There was a problem. I experienced picture blanking, where the screen goes black momentarily then restores. After it happened 3 or 4 times, I saw a slight screen position shift and the sound quality deteriorated (less ambient crowd noise). To me it seemed they changed feeds to overcome the blanking and may have had to supply SD for at least part of the game.

[dan1979]

Now you mention it I had that problem too. Screen was going black but the BBC HD logo remained. When the picture came back it was missing the scoreline graphics.

[RockySpieler]

I had the similar black-outs with freeview......no HD logo of course so i think the problem was with the feed from Germany.

[KableMan]

I had the blanking too and the crowd noise disappeared for a while. I also noticed that the whole game was in DD 2.0 and not DD 5.1 as it was on friday.

The quality was still much better than SD though - the artifacts surrounding players were not visible on HD and the grass and crowd were no where near as sharp on SD. The colours were also still more vibrant. I guess there will be a wide range of levels to the HD quality depending upon bitrate - I gather BBC is 17-20mb approx and HD-DVD is 37-50+ average!! The base should always be better than SD but closer to upscaled SD (which we have on the TVDrive).

Not sure I saw a big difference between ITV and BBC though - swings and roundabouts - it was all good in general. This sort of HD isn't wow but it raises the bar significantly.

Having said all this does anyone feel that all we actually doing here is bringing digital TV up to the level of good old analogue terrestrial PAL broadcasts as they were 10 years ago? Those were the days when artifacts and pixellation were none existent

Cheers
KableMan

Exactly my thoughts

[BigGEORDIE]

True . Hi def is sorting the digital mess out, and the bigger the screen the bigger the difference.

[MrEcosse]

Trust me on a projector and 100" screen there is no problem at all at telling the difference between SD and HD. Size matters on this one.

The BBC studio shots are unbelievable but ITV are only doing this in SD - wonder if Gabby is so worried she has an SD only clause in her contract!

[bjjgann]

Originally Posted by MrEcosse

The BBC studio shots are unbelievable but ITV are only doing this in SD - wonder if Gabby is so worried she has an SD only clause in her contract!