[scrapbook]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I think your in the minority of one there mate.

two

[savlich]

Originally Posted by xWAKEYx

The problem with yanks and tv shows is they never learn to quit while their ahead and try and suck the life and drag out a good thing which in the end spoils it for me. Like Prison break, and now fringe and mr abrams is turning this show into another lost. To many *** moments.

If fringe had finished after last season it would have been sad but seeing as they wound up the main story arc I would have been content. However after watching the last episode I am excited about what's to come, especially what they have in store for Peter.
As for lost.. That whole series was amazing

[jonneymendoza]

Lost was amazing

[richp007]

Originally Posted by xWAKEYx

The problem with yanks and tv shows is they never learn to quit while their ahead and try and suck the life and drag out a good thing which in the end spoils it for me. Like Prison break, and now fringe and mr abrams is turning this show into another lost. To many *** moments.

It's a fair point Wakey. Look at the number of shows with excellent 1st seasons (albeit with some belief suspended, lol). The likes of Prison Break, 24, Lost, Fringe and True Blood. Just ones off the top of my head or already mentioned.

As the show continues, the quality dips. There are rare shows for me like The Wire, The Shield, Breaking Bad (not seen it yet, but I've heard plenty about it), that maintain (or appear to) an incredibly high standard of story-telling throughout its series.

Fringe for me lost its way during Season 3. Too many ridiculous unnecessary episodes to drag it to 22 for the network. And as for the whole soul magnets/William Bell storyline - oh my word culminating in that disgrace of a cartoon episode later on!!!

I am interested to see where this storyline with Peter goes, because I've invested so much time in it already. And that's where the makers have you. They know people will keep watching it cos its habit and "they've come this far". I'm sorry to say it, but Lost is the greatest example of this in recent years.

but i am no longer eager to watch Fringe like I was at the beginning. I really want to see it concluded this season now, and for it to go out on a high.

[1mills]

Originally Posted by richp007

Fringe for me lost its way during Season 3. Too many ridiculous unnecessary episodes to drag it to 22 for the network. And as for the whole soul magnets/William Bell storyline - oh my word culminating in that disgrace of a cartoon episode later on!!!

I am interested to see where this storyline with Peter goes, because I've invested so much time in it already. And that's where the makers have you. They know people will keep watching it cos its habit and "they've come this far". I'm sorry to say it, but Lost is the greatest example of this in recent years.

but i am no longer eager to watch Fringe like I was at the beginning. I really want to see it concluded this season now, and for it to go out on a high.

I've watched through the first 3 seasons over the summer and kind of lost interest during season 3.

Like you said, soul magnets were ludicrous.

Think some of the best intriuging "bad" characters (David Robert Jones and Thomas Newton) have always been finished with, without there being a big moment or anything, more of a whimper.


Strangley I don't remember Lincoln Lee's character even though I only watched the season 3 finale about 3/4 weeks ago (really didn't like the season 3 finale also), in fact on what's been seen so far, makes more sense for season 3 to end on the second to last episode, and the last episode to be the beginning of this season in my mind.

[richp007]

watched this last night and it was a decent enough opening episode. naturally a suspension of disbelief is required tho, now that practically everything that took place surrounding Peter since Season 1, never actually happened

i did like the quick images of Peter that popped up on occasion. Fight Club-esque i thought. I also liked how Olivia seemed a lot tougher without Peter, whereas Walter is now vulnerable again.

The problem is that they have messed with time. It's impossible to do without cocking something up. Perhaps i'm over-thinking things, but without Peter, it would have been impossible for Walternate to have turned on his machine in the first instance. And i assume Alternate Olivia no longer has a baby either.

Anyways will see how it pans out. As i've said before, sadly i'm no longer looking forward to it each week, i will just be watching it to see how it concludes. Unless something unbelievable takes place that wins me over again.

[Always-hungry]

Loved every second of it, for me this, supernatural and BWEmpire is tv at it's very best.

[savlich]

Spoilers!!
Sorry but I can't do the whole spoilers thing on the iPad app so pls don't read on if u haven't watched the 3rd season.



Just watched the second episode of the 4th season and the alternate universe talk about how broyles said this and that but didn't he get killed in the last season? Major over sight if they have forgotten about it!

[savlich]

Still spoilers.....




Surely they can't just write it off as "new timeline new rules" scenario, seems like a bit of a cop out to me.

[raigraphixs]

Originally Posted by savlich

Spoilers!!
Sorry but I can't do the whole spoilers thing on the iPad app so pls don't read on if u haven't watched the 3rd season.



Just watched the second episode of the 4th season and the alternate universe talk about how broyles said this and that but didn't he get killed in the last season? Major over sight if they have forgotten about it!

We have tried open spoilers, but not allowed by mods, as some people will read them and complain, no matter how well they were signposted. Can you not use safari instead, i can spoiler on my iphone safari and that takes patience when im out, but i rather not.


Episode 2: One Night in October - 7.9/10

A solid episode that i found enjoyable, but nothing exciting, i'm finding the two Olivia's more interesting

Regarding your spoiler about the

 

death of Broyles

, no the writers would not forget a major plot, the new timeline is to blame for that, so was possible, but did we need it, probably not.

[krish]

who says you can't use spoiler tags on the iPad ... just type the tags, which consists of the word spoiler inside square brackets, with a forward slash in the end tag
i.e. [sp**ler]your text[/sp**ler]

if you continue to post bare naked spoilers, you'll meet the same fate as Peter Bishop at the hands of the mods

[savlich]

Originally Posted by krish

who says you can't use spoiler tags on the iPad ... just type the tags, which consists of the word spoiler inside square brackets, with a forward slash in the end tag
i.e. [sp**ler]your text[/sp**ler]

if you continue to post bare naked spoilers, you'll meet the same fate as Peter Bishop at the hands of the mods

I asked a mod and they said it couldn't be done in the app.. But I will do your suggestion from now on.
Thank you.

[raigraphixs]

Episode 3: Alone in the World - 7.7/10

OK stand-alone-episode, with some arc ties, Walter was really losing his mind.

[krish]

I wonder what excuse they'll use next time for alt Charlie's absence
- Kirk's currently playing a detective in Prime Suspect

Back to this week's ep .... better banter between Lincoln and Olivia, possibly leading towards flirting, and eventually romance? And then you know who will return. Will make things even between them.

[mickylall]

has it been explained why alt-broyles is still alive?

[richp007]

Nothing that actually happened before happened. Apart from the moment that the two universes agreed to work with each other. The timeline previous was re-written.

This a problem for me currently, and it feels like a waste of the last 3 seasons. All the plots and character development has gone. Still looking to see where they go with the story, but then not really fussed anymore at the same time.

To be honest its now so full of plotholes, its bordering on the ridiculous.

[Geeders]

It was annoying me that they hadnt given any explanation to previous events on the current timeline, but at least on the last episode they gave some explanation to what had happened

that Peter had been died after Walter brought him back - basically that the watcher hadnt interfered in this timeline

It does appear that episodes so far have been 'standalone but with a twist that references to Peter' - like the guy that had memories of someone removed, but he still kept the emotion and the last episode with 'psychic linking'

Hopefully they wont string it out to long and will address the main plot in the next few episodes.

[SadR0bot]

Agree with those who said it lost its way in season 3 but as far as Im concerned season 4 has been a massive return to form, great so far.

I also loved all the haunting references to the absence of Peter, its really clever stuff.

This is not a spoiler as Ive no idea if this is the case or not, but Im betting that we will see the return of Peter to this timeline as it is. Hes back but having never existed noone knows who he is.

[Always-hungry]

Two Pages on this thread and six on terra nova, what the hell is going on. This show is epic yet the forum suggest's otherwise, shocking.

[QuestShield]

Fringe season 4 is top stuff so far Real return to form. A+
John Noble is such an amazing actor. Self-lobotomy

My goodness does it wipe the floor with the likes of Terra Nova.

[kBm]

I thought the Alt Broyles died in season 3, helping Oliva escape? How is he alive, and still in a position of power in the other side?

Originally Posted by Always-hungry

Two Pages on this thread and six on terra nova, what the hell is going on. This show is epic yet the forum suggest's otherwise, shocking.

This is season 4, add 1,2 & 3 together you got a mega thread.

[Battle]

Originally Posted by Always-hungry

Two Pages on this thread and six on terra nova, what the hell is going on. This show is epic yet the forum suggest's otherwise, shocking.

And most people are trashing Terra Nova whereas most are praising Fringe

[RiceRocket]

Originally Posted by kBm

I thought the Alt Broyles died in season 3, helping Oliva escape? How is he alive, and still in a position of power in the other side?

He has been restored (due to Peter being erased from the timeline we know) He never had to sacrifice himself to help Olivia return to her universe because she didn't have to go to the alternate universe to go after Peter (series 2 finale)


The only question I have got is how the two universes explain the bridge that exists between them. I assume the doomsday device was also erased from the timeline or is still buried?

[richp007]

People seem to be getting confused from what I have been reading (not just on here, but elsewhere too).

The doomsday machine is very much built. We saw it in one of the previous episodes. And everything that happened did happen. Olivia did get kidnapped by the other side. Alt Olivia did hang around over here 4 a bit in her place. Olivia escaped etc etc.

It's just everything that happened involving Peter was rewritten. Because he didn't exist. The whole purpose of the machine was to bring us to this point now. Co-operation between the 2 universes. That was Peter's sole purpose.

However that's just the tip of the iceberg to where the plot-holes begin. They've messed around with time, and you just can't do that. The reality would be that the world would be a ridiculously different place without Peter. Especially the world of Olivia etc. It's all too sweet and simple for me.

I'm interested in seeing where the season goes, but I hope they are starting to think about wrapping it up. I'm not sure what more they can do without it getting any more daft.

[kBm]

The only disappointing point of Season 4 is i'm watching thinking that i've missed some important plot explanation, or i myself, have amnesia.

[jonneymendoza]

great to see him back

[raigraphixs]

Episode 4: Subject 9 - 8.4/10

Interesting episode, he looked kinda goofy at the end, that could be the electricity

- Came back and

 

fell into the Lake Reiden

- how all the troubles started, when he was younger

 

he drowned

in

 

Lake

Reiden.


- Walter's dislike of Nina, tell her to go and.....

[gavan]

Originally Posted by richp007

People seem to be getting confused from what I have been reading (not just on here, but elsewhere too).

The doomsday machine is very much built. We saw it in one of the previous episodes. And everything that happened did happen. Olivia did get kidnapped by the other side. Alt Olivia did hang around over here 4 a bit in her place. Olivia escaped etc etc.

It's just everything that happened involving Peter was rewritten. Because he didn't exist. The whole purpose of the machine was to bring us to this point now. Co-operation between the 2 universes. That was Peter's sole purpose.

However that's just the tip of the iceberg to where the plot-holes begin. They've messed around with time, and you just can't do that. The reality would be that the world would be a ridiculously different place without Peter. Especially the world of Olivia etc. It's all too sweet and simple for me.

I'm interested in seeing where the season goes, but I hope they are starting to think about wrapping it up. I'm not sure what more they can do without it getting any more daft.

I doubt that overall reality would be that much different in a world where Peter died as a child - though obviously the lives of the Fringe team and those around them would be different as we have seen. Walter is especially affected.

The question is whether all this is permanent or will the changes ultimately be reversed whenever the Peter situation is resolved.

[SadR0bot]

Theres an interview with John Noble on io9 (from fringetelevision I think) and he seems to suggest that when Peter initially returns it is exactly as I predicted. He returns to the current timeline as a stranger however his memories are intact.

[kopchoir]

Wheres episode 5 was supposed to have aired on friday???