[Oddbodd]

Hi all, I don't know about you guys but I can't wait for this movie. I have been following the progress and watching the trailers etc. over the last few months and it looks to be shaping up really well I think the story line is very clever about young teenage Predators "coming of age" by battling with Aliens in this ancient pyramid. The sets look very well made and realistic, they also look very creepy and claustrophobic, perfect for "monsters" to jump out and grab you
The Alien movie series (earlier ones) and the original Predator movie are amongst my all time favorite movies and I have watched them many times. I just hope this new one is as good as it initially looks
Here's the main website link for you to look around and "wet your apetite" http://avp-movie.com/ (just click on English outside North America and a new window with links will open) It's a quite a slick site aswell!
Cheers,
Oddbodd.

p.s. It's released here 22-10-04 "Whoever wins....... we lose"

p.p.s. Crank your sound up when looking around the site.

[the_pauley]

Given the director, not to mention instructions from the studio to bring it in at a PG-12 rating, expectaions for this movie are extremely low!

[Mr.D]

everyone I know who has seen the a few different cuts of the film say its lacklustre.

[Indiana Jones]

I still find it strange that a film that was made with a PG-13 rating in mind is taking so long to have its rating confirmed by the MPAA. Either it is a boarder line PG-13/R film that Fox are still trying to decide whether to cut to make it a PG-13 or leave it alone and release it as an R or Fox is actually listening to fans about what rating they want for the film but I think the first is much more likely.

Also, there have been reports that a TV News show in the US announced earlier in the week that the MPAA had given Alien vs Predator an R rating for "extensive and graphic violence, gore and language". Until it is actually on the official website I wont believe any rating but that is a pretty specific statement and as its not just an internet rumor I tend to believe there must be some truth in it, guess we will just have to wait and see.

[Oddbodd]

"PG 12" ................ "Lacklustre" What are they thinking about trying to make it suitable for kids ***. If that turns out to be true it will kill the movie. It's got to have gore and violence to make it work!
Here's hoping
Cheers, Oddbodd.

Its not been confirmed what certificate its getting ( fingers crossed it gets an R )

Some pics on my website from the film.

http://www.darkrealmfox.com/alienvsp...datorpics.html

[captaineyecatch]

If it gets an R rating it could Still mean we end up with a non violent/gore kids movie - just look at the directors previous movie Resident evil which is one of the tamest + dullest zombie flicks ever made with no gore and hardly any real violence.

[Mr.D]

Well I still say that the only reason aliens was an 18 is the swearing.
Lose the most extreme swearing and it would easily get a 15. ( to be honest this is the only reason I wouldn't let younger kids watch it )
Lose a tiny bit of gore and it would have been possible to hook a PG-13.
Its not any more violent or gory than Raiders of the Lost Ark or Jaws.

[CrispyXUK]

A 15 rated film here is still generally an R rated film in the states

[Mr.D]

yep but bear in mind you can still get into a R rated film in the states if you are under 17 as long as you are accompanied by an adult so our 18 certificate in practice is actually more stricter along the lines of an NC17 ( which you rarely find on mainstream films in the states )

Edit: My point being that Aliens was "over-rated" relative to the stateside certifcate : but bear in mind that their equivalent of our 15 is effectively applied to to what would normally be our 18.

Basically and to cut a long and over wordy story short: the R rating is percieved in the states as the same level that we percieve an 18 ( its the highest certificate you normally find in mainstream films).

[CrispyXUK]

true, even if this film does get an R rating I have a feeling its gonna be a childish & cheesy film anyway, which is a shame.

[Indiana Jones]

Think alot of AvP fans are hoping that there will be an unrated Directors Cut when the film is released on DVD which as all the gore, bad language and violence which is missing from the theatrical release but if the film is anything like the book the film should have plenty of gore with people getting hung upside down, skinned and then having their head and spinal cord ripped out, that type of stuff doesnt usually make it into a PG-13 movie so im hoping for an 18 rating here in the UK, mostly for the extra gore the rating will bring but more for the fact that a 12A or 15 would bring along all the idiots who think it is great to pay for a ticket then just spend the whole movie chatting to their friends and behaving like asses which seems to happen everytime I go to watch a film which is under an 18.

[Mac Man]

Just noticed in the cast and crew that Lance Henrikson is reprising his role as 'Bishop'. Presumably as a human this time.

How to get away with being older in a prequel I suppose

I know you can't read too much into trailers (Stargate anyone?) but the general look of the film, so far, seems spot on to me.

The film could easily be the equal of Aliens with a 12 rating. I think the LOTR trilogy has lain down the gauntlet for what can be done in an action film. You'll easily be able to get away with chopping monsters and aliends up by the dozen - as per the orcs in LOTR.

just my 2p anyways

CL

[Mr.D]

"Bishop" is the original one. He's the CEO of Weyland Yutani ( I think) a company very heavily into artificial intelligence and his company has picked up a rather strange message emanating from the South Pole.

There is no gorified version as far as I'm aware... but hey what do I know.

[CrispyXUK]

Why antartica? that is ****! They had loads of stories to go by with the comics and novels, why not use on of those? **** Paul Anderson what a ****

[Mr.D]

Its also set present day if you didn't know already: its sort of a prequel to alien and a sequel to the predator films if you like.

[robyoung]

personally i'm not too optimistic about this film either.

Potentially it could be one of the best Horror/Action films of all time but i'm sure with Anderson in charge and the rumours about lack of gore etc it wont live up to expectations.

Ok, it may be enjoyable to watch but i'm 99% sure it wont turn out the classic that oh so should have been!

Ah well such is life. I'll keep hanging onto the rumour Ridley Scott my go in for Alien 5........

Cheers Rob

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

Think alot of AvP fans are hoping that there will be an unrated Directors Cut.

Hope so, but then I was hoping Anderson would do that with Event Horizon too

[The Dude]

goddam... an unrated directors cut of event horizon..

that could well have been one of the best 'scary' films ever.. imagine 30+mins of the 'nightmare' world...

[Mr.D]

Originally Posted by The Dude

goddam... an unrated directors cut of event horizon..

that could well have been one of the best 'scary' films ever.. imagine 30+mins of the 'nightmare' world...

Trust me its not an improvement over the theatrical cut: Sam Neil doesn't come back after he exits the ship and the burning man is the main focus of the end fight and its a little bit longer I seem to recall with fishburne getting beat up a bit more. The jumpcuts of what happened to the crew are a little bit longer ( people pulling their guts out of their mouths etc).

I think Neil has a couple more flashbacks to his wife in the bath ( his decline is a little more gradual , he doesn't flip over so abruptly)

Kathleen Quinlan initially survives the fall albeit briefly and you get to see her in a puddle of gore for longer ( she makes a bigger splat). I think Fishburne or another crew member even tries to hear her last words.

There is no big scene showing what happened to the original crew.

To be honest the only difference with the extended cut is that its 30 mins more that you have to sit through

[Indiana Jones]

I have been reading the novelisation of Alien vs Predator and I have to say it isnt actually that bad a plot. There seems to be plenty of character development at the start of the film where time is taken to introduce each of the main characters before they set off over the ice and there doesnt appear to be that much bad lanuage. I have nearly finished the book and the words "you ugly son of a bitch" have only come up a few times which could mean they are trying to target the film at a younger age group but if they have stuck to the screenplay then there is plenty of gore in this film on the same level as past Predator films which wouldn never make it into a film aimed for the PG-13/12A crowd, maybe that is why it is taing so long for them to decide on a rating and running time, they are still editing it to get the rating they want.

Either way it sucks that there is over a 2 month gap between the US release and the UK release.

[Stuart Wright]

There's possibly a bigger gap between releases so that fox can wait to access the success of the film before deciding on a marketing budget outside the US. I.e. if it flops, they won't bother.
Personally I think that the images of aliens and predators are so damn scarey that irrespective of the amount of actual gore or swearing, if you see any imagery of people being put in peril by either species, it's got to be a 15.
Anyhow to quote a character from Alan Partridge, Paul Anderson has a track record of making 'mostly bad' movies. It's only his enthusiasm which has persuaded Fox to let him run with it.
Let's face it, if it's a turkey, his directing career will be over.
I hope it doesn't do for me what Alien 3, Matrix 2 & 3 and Star Wars I and II have done and that is dilute the 'experience' of that particular 'universe' with a crap one.

[Indiana Jones]

I did read that if AvP flops then the green light will be given on Alien 5 and Predator 3 but if AvP does well then only Alien vs Predator movies will be made in the future so what would everyone want? for this film to do very badly and have more Alien and Predator films in the future or for this film to be a hit?

[CrispyXUK]

If Alien 5 had ripley in I'd rather have predator 3 instead

[castle]

No one has mentioned the throwing out of the premise set up in Predator and Predator two that the hunters only like warm places...So where do they set this film?

Antarctica.

Pure class.

[Mr.D]

When the temple was built Antarctica may have been quite balmy.... I don't really buy that myself but hey...

(Quote by castle) No one has mentioned the throwing out of the premise set up in Predator and Predator two that the hunters only like warm places...So where do they set this film?

Antarctica.


The premise is that they are teaching their young offspring to hunt and they are using the coldest place on Earth because its a greater test for the youngsters than using a warm place, they have a captured Alien Queen which lays the eggs from which the aliens come, at one point in the film the Queen escapes and all hell breaks loose, it sounds exciting to me but is also potentially disappointing as it takes more than some good action scenes to make a good film it'll have to have a few decent lines of dialogue too.

Fingers crossed

Oh i just gotta say don't hold out for Ridley Scott directing Alien 5, look what he did to the Silence of The Lambs sequel, Hannibal truly sucked and had none of the tension or emotional pulling power of Lambs, the only scene which worked was the brain scene near the end, it was an overlong mess not helped by the fact they based it on a very poor book.

I liked Event Horizon, it was low budget chills and it worked, its better to not see exactly what happened to the original crew as a person's imagination can conjure up more nightmare images than any director ever could, i think people are too harsh on this director he's competent enough and i have seen more than enough movies in my time to appreciate workmanlike films which might not be great but are better than some of the dross out there.

[CrispyXUK]

bet they make the aliens smaller and weaker than the predators

[Stanleh]

i think people are too harsh on this director he's competent enough and i have seen more than enough movies in my time to appreciate workmanlike films which might not be great but are better than some of the dross out there.

You seem to forget that he directed mortal kombat and soldier, i need say no more :D

[karkus30]

I cant imagine this film will work at all. The whole premise of scary sci fi films is that you identify with the human characters in a film. It sounds like it will be equivalent to the dino fight in The Lost World. I did'nt give a which dino won. Why should I care who wins the Alien vs Predator fight, may as well introduce Terminator, Godzilla and King Kong as well Give me a Darlek any day

Alien 3 and 4 out stayed their welcome anyway, what more can be said. Much of the appeal collapsed once you got a good look at the creature, as it was no longer an 'Unknown'. Exactly the same with Predator.

Its a money spinner , pure and simple, time for Hollywood to go back to basics and stop turning out crap like 'The day after tomorrow and independence day' Ban the block buster