[Miyazaki]

Looks really good, hopefully this will once and for all extermine the parasites that are the BNP.

How can anyone support them now?

What do you think Jelly? I reckon you ought to watch it mate.

[Philly112]

I think that a visit to the BNP website is all that's needed to see what these people are.

Scares the bloody pants off me.

Unfortunately, I think you underestimate the extent to which alot of people will sympathise with their views.

Which scares the pants off me even more.

[the_pauley]

Apparently their glorious leader has claimed he was misquoted.

How original!

Scumbags...

[the_pauley]

Woh! Just did a search for "Jelly" in the forums.

As in "Jelly for ****ing brains", no doubt.

His "gender bender" comments were very telling.

But I suppose it carries on the grand old Nazi traditions though, from the predelictions of the brown shirts in '30s Germany, to the paedophile scandals involving members of the Islington National Front, Martin Webster's dubious interest in little boys, and the exposure of gay-bashing NF skinhead Nicky Crane as a "star" of gay S&M skinhead porn videos in the '80s.

Don't get me wrong - apart from paedophilia, there's nothing wrong with a bit the old consensual same-sex rumpy pumpy.

But I find it difficult to comprehend why then gays are always on the "to do" lists of these cretins?

Perhaps Jelly could enlighten us?

[SILVERBACK]

lets face it we all know what the BNP are about so this is kinda pointless expose IMHO,and what really is laughable is the fact that guy passed himself as a footie hooligan lol i mean come on,obviously the higher up the scale the smarter the man but down in the trenches its a different story.now lets get some expose on the asian gangs and clerics of hate etc.as im sure its not all the big bad white mans fault.

[jelly]

tut tut

[jelly]

a few bad apples in a GREAT ORG

[Lex]

Have to say I wasn't overly impressed with the documentary - "jason" was so unconvincing as a football hooligan they would have been better of sending in Dale Winton!

In a way the show was reassuring - we all know that there are racist people out there, but at least the programme showed how moronic and badly organised they are. The leader of the BNP was particularly dumb and inarticulate. I would be more worried if they were more intelligent...

[the_pauley]

The term "expose" implies that one seeks to expose something. There isn't really anything to expose about the rabid clerics like Captain Hook and company, is there? What you see is what you get.

However, Old Nick and company needed, and got, their new "suits not Swastikas" facade well and truly stripped away by this programme.

"A few bad apples..." eh?

Judging by the evidence of this programme they run from the bottom of the barrel right to the very top. Any chance the whole barrel might be rotten?

Nice to know that Nick Griffin is so concerned about "good books" inciting people to violence. Perhaps he'll next turn his attention to the proponents of The Bible and its teachings. Seem to remember quite a lot in there about putting to death non-believers, blasphemers, adulterers, fornicators and those that work on The Sabbath, among other things. 90% of the population at risk there I'd say Nick, get on the case my son...

License fee justified by one programme, and congratulations to two very brave men who brought it to us at considerable personal risk.

[SILVERBACK]

Originally Posted by the_pauley

License fee justified by one programme

your joking right

captain hook etc im pretty sure are not all talk and i would like to see an expose on that.if you give BNP enough rope they will just hang themselves pure and simple.

[Miyazaki]

The difference is Abu Hamza is in some stage of the process of being deported. He is not allowed to preach in any mosque, and he has already been exposed.

Nick Griffin on the other hand is a man who has eyes on 10 Downing St. Now no matter how unrealistic that goal may be, any person who incites to religious hatred as Griffin so blatently did on both this programme and Newsnight, deserves to be permenantly banned from standing for any political position.

The BNP are hypocrits of the highest order. Member after member who stood as a counsellor in the Bradford area wholly disagreed with the ideology of democracy in that programme.

Hang, draw and quarter Griffin from the nearest bridge. That is the only mediaeval edict which should bring back, and seeing as he seems to have a mediaeval mindset, we should bring it back, just for him!

[the_pauley]

Originally Posted by SILVERBACK

your joking right

captain hook etc im pretty sure are not all talk and i would like to see an expose on that.if you give BNP enough rope they will just hang themselves pure and simple.

Er, have I missed something? Where do I even begin to imply that Hook is all talk? I think he is a very dangerous fundamentalist fanatic.

The point - once again - is that we know that! What's to expose?

As to the "...give 'em enough rope..." theory, it was espoused by certain pundits back in German society in the 1930s re. Adolf and his playmates...

...and didn't he do well?

[the_pauley]

Apologies to all forum members for a lapse of good taste, by stooping to reprehensible tabloid gutterspeak in calling Abu Hamza "Captain Hook".

I could not remember his name, but that is no excuse for using a person's physical infirmity as a derogatory nickname by which to demonize him in such a cheap and tawdry manner.

It would be like calling Nick Griffin

EVIL-EYE NICK!!!

Shallow and uncalled for...

I am ashamed...

[chard]

no surprises in this programme - I agree with the calls for programmes showing the scum on both extremes of the political spectrum.

[the_pauley]

I've watched at least two documentaries, not to mention numerous news stories on Abu Hamza and a few on the rise of Muslim Fundamentalism in the UK.

Why are people wittering on like they've never happened? Doesn't anyone switch off the home cinema occasionally and watch real telly?

Interesting isn't it though, that Abu Hamza and Nick Griffin have such a lot in common?

Politically, both are extreme Right Wingers.

And t**ts too.

So; no real need, where these two are concerned, for "...programmes showing the scum on both extremes of the political spectrum." Just stay focused on The Right of said spectrum, eh?

[jelly]

did you all know that in some parts of england mainly brixton leicester derby tower hamlets there are more people from foreign climates than there are english people, now this has got to be wrong, there was a story about a oap home in tower hamlets a few months ago which was only to be used by asian people, now did any of you post a thread onthat ???? no i read that on somebodys copy of tom and jerry that it had been corrected, what was that if not bowing down to forign races the bnp are not a load of swastica tatooed racists they are a group of people that care about GREAT BRITAIN and the the people of this gr8 country, if one day you woke up to find 9 immigrants moving in next door what would you think????some people reckon that by 2078 english language will be a minority in england its obvious none of your lot are bothered but if the bnp are, so be it (did anybody see that member of hooks group burning the union flag in hyde park last month why wasnt he jailed or deported for treason?) cos there are people about like the people that posted about the bnp who do not want to understand what he bnp are really for they have my vote and always will i dont want to live in a country where i am the minority if your all happy doing what your doin fair eneough and i hope that that under cover reporter gets a visit!!!!!

[PoochJD]

Morning,

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! Mr/Miss Jelly seems to think that Britain should be an all-white country! Let me totally destroy every single one of your supposed "facts"!

1) Jelly says: "Did you all know that in some parts of england mainly brixton leicester derby tower hamlets there are more people from foreign climates than there are english people now this has got to be wrong"
A) Nope, I didn't know that, but why is it such a big deal? In some parts of the country, English people outnumber "foreigners"! So what?!

2) Jelly says: "there was a story about a oap home in tower hamlets a few months ago which was only to be used by asian people, now did any of you post a thread onthat ???? no"
A) Can you cite the story please, via a weblink, or a newspaper article? If so, maybe we can all have a look at it ourselves, and then maybe people will comment upon it. Also, did you make a post about this story, Jelly?! I don't think so!

3) Jelly says: i read that on somebodys copy of tom and jerry that it had been corrected, what was that if not bowing down to forign races"
A) Umm, wrong end of the sharp, pointy thing, there, my friend! If you go back and READ the posts, I think you will find that people were complaining that an animation series made in the 1940's and 50's had been modified to make it more politically-correct, rather than leaving something in its original state. You will also know, if you had bothered to read the relevant thread, that the actress who played Tom's matronly female owner, genuinely had a Southern American "black" voice, and that this was not something made-up just for a bit of fun, or to play a charicature!

4) Jelly says: "the bnp are not a load of swastica tatooed racists they are a group of people that care about GREAT BRITAIN and the the people of this gr8 country"
A) Did you watch the documentary Jelly, last night?! Somehow I don't think you did! The BNP clearly claim that "We're not racists or prejudiced people. We just don't want non-whites in our country. England is for the English and no one else!" I think that sums up, what a total bunch of mentally-deficient, hypocritical parasites they are! Why should England or Great Britain, just be for white people, huh?! What about all the English who leave Britain and relocate to Australia, the US, the Mediterranean, France, Spain, etc, etc?! I don't hear those countries shouting out that their country is just for their people! Do you, Jelly?!

5) Jelly says: "if one day you woke up to find 9 immigrants moving in next door what would you think????"
A) Unlike you, I wouldn't bat an eyelid. I like to live in a multi-cultural society, where I meet black people, white people, Asians, Chinese, American's, French, Spanish, Germans, Swedes, Ukranians and every other nationality. I find living in a "ghetto", which is what Britain would become if only white, English people lived here, would be rather dull.

6) Jelly says: "andsome people reckon that by 2078 english language will be a minority in england"
A) By what facts are you basing this statement on? Can you offer up any evidence of any kind? Any documented evidence, on the Net, in the paper, or in any media format? If you can, then please, share it with us. Somehow, though, I don't think you have any "facts", and are simply making a wildly inaccurate statement.

7) Jelly says: "its obvious none of your lot are bothered but if the bnp are, so be it"
A) I think, Jelly, you will find that "us lot" care more about living with people and getting on with them, regardless of their creed, colour, race, origin, sexuality or any other difference, that makes them dissimilar to us. How would it make you feel, if - hypothetically speaking - you discovered that Spectre (the main man of the AVForums) was Peruvian? Or what if I, were Norwegian? How about Garrett being of Aboriginal descent? And what if "Home Cinema Choice" magazine's publishing company, was really owned and run by a company based in Korea? Obviously, none of these are true, but if they were, Jelly, how would it make you feel?! Would you suddenly stop posting to this site? Would you refuse to buy "Home Cinema Choice" magazine ever again? If you met myself, or Garrett or Spectre in the streets, would you call us names, simply because we may be different from you?

8) Jelly says: "there are people about like the people that posted about the bnp who do not want to understand what he bnp are really for they have my vote and always will"
A) The BNP are racists! They want Britain to be a totally non-white-free country! If that's not prejudice, then you are going to have to enlighten a lot of people Jelly! "Prejudice" is a "belief that someone holds, that is based on inaccurate, biased and unfair truths or facts". The BNP makes claims that are unsubstantiated! The BNP claims it is not racist and not prejudiced, and yet they want Britain to be an all-white country. Well, b*gger-me! If that's not prejudice, then shoot me now!

9) Jelly said: "i dont want to live in a country where i am the minority if your all happy doing what your doin fair eneough and i hope that that under cover reporter gets a visit!!!!!"
A) Jelly, if you don't want to live in a country where you are a supposed minority (in which case, I should probably point out that you aren't a minority), then no one is stopping you from b*ggering-off to another country! But please don't include me in your prejudicial rantings, because I don't want to be associated with someone as openly bigoted and so inhuman as you!

Pooch
(A black man born in Peterborough, and adopted by white people!)

P.S. Jelly - go bite me, you intolerant person!

[Miyazaki]

I think it is lost on Jelly that the majority of Indians/Pakistanis and West Indians were invited here by the government.

They didn't invade or swamp our nation like so many people claim they did.

Did anyone see Griffin's indefencable display on 'Newsnight' after the programme? What a raving loony! Why would anyone want to waste their vote on such a bunch of ******s???

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

How about Garrett being of Aboriginal descent?

Big mouth I told you to keep that secret, anyway it is only on my mothers side, father was from Galifray.

[Ed Selley]

I debated as to whether it was worth giving credence to this post by replying to it. Mods should you wish to bin or prune the thread, I'll understand

did you all know that in some parts of england mainly brixton leicester derby tower hamlets there are more people from foreign climates than there are english people, now this has got to be wrong,

Why?
There are often more british people than the natives on the Costa Del Sol (and I'm talking residents here)- do you propose that the spanish deport them?

there was a story about a oap home in tower hamlets a few months ago which was only to be used by asian people, now did any of you post a thread onthat ????

The home in question is a privately run concern that offers care to elderly asians who don't speak English. It is a specialist concern in the same way certain care homes specialise only in certain mental or physical afflictions.

no i read that on somebodys copy of tom and jerry that it had been corrected, what was that if not bowing down to forign races the bnp are not a load of swastica tatooed racists they are a group of people that care about GREAT BRITAIN and the the people of this gr8 country,

Last night's documentery and the performance of your idiot leader on newsnight is a better riposte to that than I will ever manage. If the best that the organisation can put forward for councillors is a man who only wants to "shoot ****'s" (sic) then really your statement is false.

if one day you woke up to find 9 immigrants moving in next door what would you think????some people reckon that by 2078 english language will be a minority in england its obvious none of your lot are bothered but if the bnp are,

My nextdoor neighbours are a family of Kenyan Asian origin and my normal thoughts centre around the fact that their front garden is better kept than mine and that he must think that I'm on the take due to the amount of electronics that shuttles through my house. English a minority language by 2078? Given how rubbish this country is at launguages, most new arrivals have to learn English to achieve anything.

so be it (did anybody see that member of hooks group burning the union flag in hyde park last month why wasnt he jailed or deported for treason?)

He was in custody last month. Extradition procedures are being raised against him.

cos there are people about like the people that posted about the bnp who do not want to understand what he bnp are really for they have my vote and always will i dont want to live in a country where i am the minority if your all happy doing what your doin fair eneough and i hope that that under cover reporter gets a visit!!!!!

So you're threatening him in the same loutish, idiotic manner that your party colleagues did to others last night? You really aren't selling the tolerance and decency idea to me.

[Miyazaki]

Originally Posted by jelly

some people reckon that by 2078 english language will be a minority in england its obvious none of your lot are bothered but if the bnp are, so be it

Well that is incrediable! A load of illiterate, knuckle-dragging morons the reactionary paper tigers the BNP obviously are!

What an amazing piece of work that such cretins can make an exact science of the impending doom of our own language!

Do you have a precise time or date in that year, or is it just a number plucked from between the teeth of the slow-moving decaying cogs of thought in your "brain", or the collective pea soup of conciousness of the BNP?

What a typical nonsensical scare-mongering comment to make!

Absolutely typifies the BNP and their sycophantic, racist members. Jelly, I don't know how you can come out with the ****e you do and still be walking around. If you said that in front of me, i'd smack you into next month, nevermind next week!

[Nobber22]

The BNP seem to have their immigration policies well in hand. Does anyone know what their stance is on health, education, economics, the Euro or defence??

These ant-brains are even too thick to be politicians!

[Garrett]

Mod NOTE

Lets keep thing civil, as much as you disagree with an other members opinions, name calling and threats of violence are not allowed albeit imaginary.

[Philly112]

If anyone wants to go beyond this discussion, a visit to the BNP website is recommended. Their full policies are all laid out - a mix of socialist, right wing Tory, Green, UK Independant policies etc.
I would also look beyond the front page and into some of the articles Nick Griffin has written, which spell out what he stands for and why.
The website does not just dwell on race issues (eg they are well into hanging, flogging etc, don't seem to like the EU too much, not really keen on big industry) but the race issue crops up throughout.
As a great big lefty liberal it seems I will be first up against the wall.
Which is a shame really as I am white and would really benefit from the dream paradise they are intent on creating.

[SILVERBACK]

it said in the expose last night that bradford is 20% asian which isnt really a huge amount but the problems arise when as a white person you have to live in that part of bradford that is mainly asain (bradford moore etc) i lived there for 8years was beaten up pretty much 3 times a week at school for being a honky lol.but kids are cruel and when you have a group of any kind and a different kinda person comes into the equation there will be bullying etc.what i didnt realise as i got older and left school it wasnt just in school this stuff happened there i was pretty much fair game getting a bus or going for a video.after leaving merseyside i wasnt expecting to feel like a outsider in my own country for 8 years.there are a few no go areas in bradford now for whites and while they may not be known to most there is certainly parts you wouldnt want to wonder into.what i dont agree with is no go areas in england for whites,what i dont agree with is not being able to hang up a union jack during the 94 world cup because it upset asian neighbours and was rung by the council to take it down,what i dont agree with is the PC world we live in now where some people have to think twice before they say some things.

i read somewhere that the council where building 4 to 6 bedroom houses for the asian people,now imagine if that was being built for whites?there would be uproar,what about black only beauty pagants imagine if it was white only lol it would be disbanded after one year.dont get me wrong im no BNP supporter or NF for that matter all you have to do is let BNP talk there way into trouble.so mr griffen what is your policys on the NHS "well if we get the pakis out it will be fine" and your policy about schooling "well if we get the pakis out" its all they have to go on plain and simple a vote for bnp is a wasted vote.BUT i can see why SOME people will vote for them.like i said after living there 8 years and being born in merseyside it was a huge difference to be in a school class where there was 32 kids and only 2 white ones.and dreading every break time and trip to and from school.

i was interested in nick griffins scathing attack on the quran and thought i would have a look and see if anyone else had the same`ish view points who wasnt a complete tools and sure enough i found this which what i can gather is actually written by asians

http://www.secularislam.org/articles/call.htm

and i think it quite clearly states pretty much what some of griffins comments where aimed at.

at the end of the day i moved home and have never been happier,would i got back to live in bradford NO CHANCE.i go up there every few months to see my old mates and it gets worse with every visit especially bradfor moore,what a tip.

[SILVERBACK]

i would also like to say unless you live in the middle of it then you have not really got as much a idea as those who do live in those areas or did imho.

[the_pauley]

did you all know that in some parts of england mainly brixton leicester derby tower hamlets there are more people from foreign climates than there are english people, now this has got to be wrong,

Agreed. Ideally they should be more fully integrated into the community. But perhaps they feel the perfectly understandable human need to be near their families and other people of their own culture, a bit like the British enclaves (ghettos?) that exist in Spain and other countries with large ex-pat populations.

Or perhaps it's because of inadequate little s**ts like you and your slope-browed stormtrooper buddies stalking the streets after closing time, that they might feel that there's safety in numbers?

the bnp are not a load of swastica tatooed racists they are a group of people that care about GREAT BRITAIN

Indeed no. They are bunch of Union / St. George's flag tattooed racists. I'm sure the Queen is thrilled by that. Which brings up another point. The BNP and indeed yourself, vaccillate between wittering on about the interests of "British" and "English" with monotonous regularity. So which is it?

Are the Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh welcomed into this "new vision" of yours? Or maybe you're just keeping them in reserve for when all of the people of colour are expelled from the country, so you'll have someone to look down on? You see that's how the racist gestalt (a nice German word to make you feel at home Jelly) works. They always need someone else to look down on and to blame for the invariably sorry state of their own s**tty little lives.

Give you an example. A friend of mine's parents came to this country in the 1970s. His father worked two jobs, eighteen to twenty hours a day in some instances, and lived in the cheapest accomodation they could find, and every penny was ploughed into saving for a deposit for a small shop. His father and mother between them kept that store open twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year (without so much as a holiday for five years) and ploughed all of the money into their next business venture. The result is today that the father runs a successful import/export business and ploughs more money back into this country's coffers than any ten of those neanderthal thugs featured in that documentary last night.

Now one man, an immigrant, works his balls off and devotes every waking hour to building a life for himself and his family, while another man (for example the moron BNP "political candidate" featured in the programme last night), pure white "master race" stock, devotes his energies to going around waste bins in public parks gathering dog s**t to pump through an Asian family's letter box with a kiddy's squirt gun.

Now I wonder who's to "blame" for him not having a six figure income, or a nice car and a lovely big house? Of course the last thing that would come to mind for him, is that he's responsible for his own sorry state, would it? No, that's too painful a truth to confront. Let's blame a "****", eh? Much easier!

and the the people of this gr8 country, if one day you woke up to find 9 immigrants moving in next door what would you think????

Based on my own experence I'd welcome them with open arms. The only "problem" families in my neighbourhood are white trailer-trash types. On the other hand there are are a few Ukranian and Asian families in the neighbourhood, all of whom, without exception, are exemplary neighbours and extremely decent people. So yes, more "foreign" neighbours for me please.

On similar lines, every time I visit Manchester on a shopping trip I am struck by the ethnic mix and the resulting atmosphere in the city centre. There is a very cosmopolitan, relaxed, laid back feel to the place. A real culturally diverse melting pot. A pleasant and funky atmosphere that is only marred by the presence of the "scrotal" types. The baseball cap clad scallies, either p****d of their heads at 2 in the afternoon, lying on the ground off their faces on drugs, being chased up the streets by security guards for shoplifting, pick-pocketing, and tapping passers-by up for money - "'Av ya got twenny pee for me bus fay-ah mate???".

And every one of them Jelly - without exception - good old Anglo Saxon, white stock. Not a tinted skin among them. And amazing how many of them are clad in England shirts! Makes me feel so proud to be British!

some people reckon that by 2078 english language will be a minority in england its obvious none of your lot are bothered but if the bnp are

Glad you're so concerned with the state of English language Jelly. However, judging by the sorry standard of literacy in your postings, it seems to already be a dead language as far as you're concerned. So you and your knuckle dragging friends should feel right at home when it devolves out of existence altogether.

If you value the English language so much, then make an attempt to master it. Otherwise stop whinging on about how it's "dying out".

Indeed if you're worried about any "threat" to British culture, I'd be more concerned about America than any other country on this planet. Just look around you matey next time you're on the high street or at a local retail park or shopping centre or at a multiplex, and tell me what you think the dominant "cultural" influence on our society is.

As a true Englishman who so values our great traditions, and doubtless spends his every leisure moment reading Shakespeare and Keats while listening to the works of Elgar and Vaughn-Williams (on your 100% made-in-Britain hi-fi), this has got to be of some concern to you, right???

(did anybody see that member of hooks group burning the union flag in hyde park last month why wasnt he jailed or deported for treason?) cos there are people about like the people that posted about the bnp who do not want to understand what he bnp are really for

Did anybody see the BNP monkey in the programme last night with the England flag wrapped round his arse? The same kind of knobhead that wears the Union flag as a pair of underpants on his Club 18-30 IQ Points fortnight in Benidorm, because he's "proud to be British" no doubt. Respectful and sophisticated in equal measure I'm sure...

Again I'm sure Brenda would be thrilled to see her flag used like that.

they have my vote and always will i dont want to live in a country where i am the minority if your all happy doing what your doin fair eneough

Sterling example of the use of the English language, eh readers?

Let me tell you something Jelly. I look forward to the day when I live in a country where you and your kind are the minority. Well you are already, but not tiny enough for my liking - I'll settle for, say, 0% of the population. Counting the f***ing seconds mate!

and i hope that that under cover reporter gets a visit!!!!!

Not a party of moronic thugs, eh? No, let me guess - perhaps you're just yet another one of those "...bad apples in a GREAT ORG!"

Thick beyond belief!

[Lex]

Best post ever

I did manage a smile during the documentary when the camera showed the Union Flag hanging behind the table of BNP 'politicians'. It was upside down. Well done, well done all of you.

[Lex]

Just said on the news that Barclays Bank have closed all of the BNPs bank accounts. Well done them