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More than 1,000 ultra-Orthodox Jews protest in Jerusalem against US firm Intel operating on the Jewish day of rest.
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[Noggin1980]

are you allowed to protest on the sabbath? nuts, by all means don't work yourself but don't try and force your foolish and baseless rules onto people who don't follow your delusion.

[Pecker]

Originally Posted by Noggin1980

are you allowed to protest on the sabbath? nuts, by all means don't work yourself but don't try and force your foolish and baseless rules onto people who don't follow your delusion.

Noggin, why do you use the words 'nuts' and 'delusion'?

Many non-religious people feel that family life is suffering in the modern world that families are able to spend less time together, and that money is replacing more emotional and spiritual aspects of life.

In the UK we've had Sunday opening for quite sometime, but in the '80's the proposals were often defeated, not just by the Bishops in the Lords, but by an unlikely alliance in the Commons of traditionalists and union-backed MPs (particularly those backed by USDAW) who didn't want their members ending up being forced to work on Sundays. Ensuring the whole family can share a day off together is not necessarily a bad thing.

I don't agree with this particular protest, but for these reasons I'm not sure it's fair to say the protesters are 'delusional'.

Steve W

[Noggin1980]

Originally Posted by Pecker

Noggin, why do you use the words 'nuts' and 'delusion'?

Many non-religious people feel that family life is suffering in the modern world that families are able to spend less time together, and that money is replacing more emotional and spiritual aspects of life.

In the UK we've had Sunday opening for quite sometime, but in the '80's the proposals were often defeated, not just by the Bishops in the Lords, but by an unlikely alliance in the Commons of traditionalists and union-backed MPs (particularly those backed by USDAW) who didn't want their members ending up being forced to work on Sundays. Ensuring the whole family can share a day off together is not necessarily a bad thing.

I don't agree with this particular protest, but for these reasons I'm not sure it's fair to say the protesters are 'delusional'.

Steve W

The protests arn't about having a family day though is it? it's because they belive working on this day is a sin.

It would of course be lovely if we had a day when no one had to work and familys and friends could always spend it together but it's simply not possible. We need the fire brigade, the police and the health service, we need power, heating and water, how many people really want a family day that they spend in the dark, where there is no TV, no places to go and eat or get entertainment.

I'm quite happy to let people have their beliefs that arn't based on any logic or reason untill they start to try to force them onto other people, at that point I see no reason to not use words like nuts and delusion. You can't debate someones views logically when their views arn't based on logic.

We continue to have openings here on sunday influenced by religion and it's completely wrong.

[Sonic67]

Is it wrong that they can have a protest? Free speech and all that?

Bear in mind Christmas is coming up as well. Do you want to take Christmas off? Atheist or not?

[Pecker]

Originally Posted by Noggin1980

It would of course be lovely if we had a day when no one had to work and familys and friends could always spend it together but it's simply not possible. We need the fire brigade, the police and the health service, we need power, heating and water, how many people really want a family day that they spend in the dark, where there is no TV, no places to go and eat or get entertainment.

I'm afraid you've just shown a complete ignorance of Jewish law. Several of the jobs you mention above are allowed on the Sabbath.

Lots of people feel unhappy about things for no logical reason - do you think the laws on nudity should be changed?

Steve W

[Noggin1980]

I'm afraid you've just shown a complete ignorance of Jewish law. Several of the jobs you mention above are allowed on the Sabbath.

They don't even agree on what the law is themselves and are twisting it to suit themselves, the idea of the law is about no creation and that along with the no lighting a fire really should rule out the creation of electricity and the use of combustion engines without both of these none of the jobs I listed are really possible at least without losing the majority of efficency.

Originally Posted by Pecker

I'm afraid you've just shown a complete ignorance of Jewish law. Several of the jobs you mention above are allowed on the Sabbath.

Lots of people feel unhappy about things for no logical reason - do you think the laws on nudity should be changed?


Steve W

yes, it's ludicrous how uppity people get about a nipple etc.

[Noggin1980]

Originally Posted by Sonic67

Is it wrong that they can have a protest? Free speech and all that?

Bear in mind Christmas is coming up as well. Do you want to take Christmas off? Atheist or not?

Quite happy for them to have a protest but in responce to their free speech I'll use mine to comment on them.

yes of course I want christmas off but I accept that isn't possible for many people.

anyway my final post I have no desire to get drawn into a discussion with you, they go on for hundreds of posts.

[simonblue]

Originally Posted by Noggin1980

are you allowed to protest on the sabbath? nuts, by all means don't work yourself but don't try and force your foolish and baseless rules onto people who don't follow your delusion.

Adgreed

But better not write what i think.