Xbox console ban is 'permanent'

**The News Bot** · 12-11-2009, 12:05 PM

Thousands of gamers cut off from Microsoft's Xbox Live service will have to buy a new console to get back online, the firm says.
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Trollslayer · 12-11-2009, 12:31 PM

As long innocents aren't caught up in it, those who take the decision to copy games have to accept the risks.

Paul Mela · 12-11-2009, 2:32 PM

One way to increase sales of consoles

James Baker · 12-11-2009, 4:29 PM

I think its fair -

People who get their xbox's chipped know the risks -

I wouldnt have mine done because xbox live is what the xbox360 is all about - if I didnt have live I wouldnt play the xbox anymore.

BamBamMickey · 12-11-2009, 4:31 PM

Proper order!!!

Moonfly · 12-11-2009, 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollslayer

As long innocents aren't caught up in it, those who take the decision to copy games have to accept the risks.

Copying games isnt illegal, distributing copied games is. Chipping consoles is risky though, especially as we've always known of the rumour M$ could do this. It does show them for who they are though, why not do this from day 1, and do a sweep every week. Instead, they let the market flood, wait for sales to slow, then apply the block.

They'll never change.

P-P-S-S · 12-11-2009, 6:49 PM

Well done Microsoft.

j0hn · 12-11-2009, 6:50 PM

what next ? blueray lock out? players connected to the internet immobilized due to people playing back up copies of discs?

signs · 12-11-2009, 7:08 PM

Member CDR has his banned a couple of years back ,for no reason what so ever ,so mistakes can be made

**Steven** · 12-11-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonfly

Copying games isnt illegal, distributing copied games is. Chipping consoles is risky though, especially as we've always known of the rumour M$ could do this. It does show them for who they are though, why not do this from day 1, and do a sweep every week. Instead, they let the market flood, wait for sales to slow, then apply the block.

They'll never change.

It is shocking is it not that the largest software company in the world would seek to uphold intellectual property rights of their own and of partners(!)

BamBamMickey · 13-11-2009, 9:50 AM

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Originally Posted by signs

Member CDR has his banned a couple of years back ,for no reason what so ever ,so mistakes can be made

Well as MS never disclose reasons for banning and won't discuss it, we would never no the reason behind it.
Bad language, abuse, cheating etc.
All of these can be factors for a ban too.

Sanders79 · 13-11-2009, 10:01 AM

Good on Microsoft - I wish Nintendo would do the same sometimes!

signs · 13-11-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey4Life

Well as MS never disclose reasons for banning and won't discuss it, we would never no the reason behind it.
Bad language, abuse, cheating etc.
All of these can be factors for a ban too.

In the four year i have know this guy i have never heard him swear

the only thing i can think is ,he's very good at the game and a lot of people must have complained (i doubt this tho)

If it is the case ,hardly seems fair to get a ban from live for being good

BamBamMickey · 13-11-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by signs

In the four year i have know this guy i have never heard him swear

the only thing i can think is ,he's very good at the game and a lot of people must have complained (i doubt this tho)

If it is the case ,hardly seems fair to get a ban from live for being good

Agreed, but i think it's never as simple as that.
There must been enough of the same complaints for it to be applied and they do look into other factors.
I don't think it happens often at all.

signs · 13-11-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey4Life

Agreed, but i think it's never as simple as that.
There must been enough of the same complaints for it to be applied and they do look into other factors.
I don't think it happens often at all.

Have a look here ..

My XBOX has been banned...

BamBamMickey · 13-11-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by signs

Have a look here ..

My XBOX has been banned...

Wasn't that all about passing on Beta codes to others?
Which is against terms of use?
So CDR did infact get a genuine ban then.

Also people have been banned for giving others access to their GT on LIve.

signs · 13-11-2009, 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey4Life

Wasn't that all about passing on Beta codes to others?
Which is against terms of use?
So CDR did infact get a genuine ban then.

Also people have been banned for giving others access to their GT on LIve.

could be ,but thousands of us did the "work around " and didn't get banned

24fanboy · 13-11-2009, 3:58 PM

Microsoft could have stopped the problem at the beginning by not making the console so ridiculously easy to modify.

Though, a hackable console would seem very attractive to a certain group of people who wouldn't buy the console in the first place. Now the people who modified their consoles will have to buy new ones. Microsoft have done very well in that regard....

Cynical, me?

The PS3 has been out for over 3 years and it is still nowhere close to being hacked. Apparently a hardware company (Sony) are better at providing security than a software company (Microsoft).

BamBamMickey · 13-11-2009, 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by signs

could be ,but thousands of us did the "work around " and didn't get banned

Well that was just luck then wasn't it?

darkcloud2011 · 13-11-2009, 4:01 PM

Glad to see it. People know the risks if they mod a x box.

sideysid · 14-11-2009, 9:18 AM

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Originally Posted by danielofhpool

Glad to see it. People know the risks if they mod a x box.

Not that I agree with DVD drive firmware modifications for piracy, but where would the original xbox be if it wasn't hacked for XBMC?

Its still going strong today, and the 360 is nowhere close to having the same functionality as a media center that MS so desperately wants it to be.

lowei · 14-11-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Trey4Life

Well as MS never disclose reasons for banning and won't discuss it, we would never no the reason behind it.
Bad language, abuse, cheating etc.
All of these can be factors for a ban too.

Bad language, abuse, cheating etc.Is a xbox live profile ban or suspension,Its not a console ban thats only done when modification is known.

*rikkyreardon* · 14-11-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonfly

Copying games isnt illegal, distributing copied games is. Chipping consoles is risky though, especially as we've always known of the rumour M$ could do this. It does show them for who they are though, why not do this from day 1, and do a sweep every week. Instead, they let the market flood, wait for sales to slow, then apply the block.

They'll never change.

Of course thats true, but they don't just wait until sales slow, they also wait until the biggest game of the year starts appearing ... Microsoft know just exactly what they are up to.

Shocks · 15-11-2009, 10:58 PM

Not really a new problem this one from M$ with xbox... on a lighter note :

YouTube - Hitler gets banned from Xbox Live

BamBamMickey · 16-11-2009, 9:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lowei

Bad language, abuse, cheating etc.Is a xbox live profile ban or suspension,Its not a console ban thats only done when modification is known.

The above was in reference to someone who was banned off Live, not a console ban.....

j0hn · 17-11-2009, 8:46 AM

This is really getting whack. It could be the start of something bigger so best be careful. We have the right to modify what ever we own and as soon as manufacturers start telling us we cant we start down a slippery slope. Where does it end? and in the future they ask where did it begin, the answer microsoft?

First they came for the xbox, and I did not speak out—because I was not a modifier;
Then they came for the blueray, and I did not speak out—because I did not play back up copys;
Then they came for the cars, and I did not speak out—because I was not a car driver;
Then they came for the computers, and I did not speak out—because I did not surf for knowledge;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Well you get the point I hope. We should have the right to modify and tinker with what ever we buy. Sure piracy is wrong but its the bigger picture that could be threatening. First microsoft get away with damaging peoples consoles. Next car drivers are told not to modify their cars from spec because of global what not, then computers are set to only access certain sites only allowed by the government, then they come for something you like doing.

So what im saying in a sort of whacky way is its not what they do but the far reaching implications of their actions. Plus who knows what progress in human development could be hindered by not allowing people to experiment with their own stuff?

Well thats one possible way of looking at things. There are others which are far happier and rosey

BamBamMickey · 17-11-2009, 9:33 AM

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Originally Posted by j0hn

So what im saying in a sort of whacky way is its not what they do but the far reaching implications of their actions. Plus who knows what progress in human development could be hindered by not allowing people to experiment with their own stuff?

Spoken like a true pirate.....
MS aren't saying we cannot modify their hardware, but when you do you break the TOS of XBox Live.
Simples.

museumsteve · 17-11-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 24fanboy

The PS3 has been out for over 3 years and it is still nowhere close to being hacked. Apparently a hardware company (Sony) are better at providing security than a software company (Microsoft).

Not convinced that is really the case, is it not more down to the fact that Playstation 3 games are on BD and the cost of writeable discs is prohibitive?

leeb-1977 · 17-11-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by museumsteve

Not convinced that is really the case, is it not more down to the fact that Playstation 3 games are on BD and the cost of writeable discs is prohibitive?

Not strictly true - there have been rumours of an iso loader from the early days of the ps3 which would cut out the need for BR discs.... i think its simply a case of Sony actually doing a very good job when it comes to security....

j0hn · 17-11-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey4Life

Spoken like a true pirate.....
MS aren't saying we cannot modify their hardware, but when you do you break the TOS of XBox Live.
Simples.

Mate im not a pirate. In fact I go to great lengths to tell people of the effects of stealing stuff and how it effects not only the industry but how they wouldnt like it if they werent payed for work.