[The News Bot]

Nokia, the world's biggest mobile phone maker, says it is suing Apple for infringing its patents with the iPhone.
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[P-P-S-S]

I wish i had the chance to tell Nokia what i think of them.

[ani4ani]

Originally Posted by P-P-S-S

I wish i had the chance to tell Nokia what i think of them.

It is quite possible that Apple are infringing you know - I am not saying they are, because I don't know one way or another, but Nokia could be right and are well within their rights to pursue if that is their belief.

[Sonic67]

Creative once sued Apple over infringement:

The "Zen Patent": Creative sues Apple over media player interface - Ars Technica

Apple settled:

Apple pays $100m to settle Creative lawsuit over iPod menus | Technology | guardian.co.uk

[abdus]

Originally Posted by P-P-S-S

I wish i had the chance to tell Nokia what i think of them.

tell me what you think of them

[P-P-S-S]

Originally Posted by ani4ani

It is quite possible that Apple are infringing you know - I am not saying they are, because I don't know one way or another, but Nokia could be right and are well within their rights to pursue if that is their belief.

Nokia may have the right to sue but as some industry experts have pointed out "it is very interesting that the timing of this lawsuit coincides with the fact that Apple has just given the green light to several carriers to sell iPhone". Nokia feeling a bit threatened?

[Uridium]

Originally Posted by P-P-S-S

Nokia may have the right to sue but as some industry experts have pointed out "it is very interesting that the timing of this lawsuit coincides with the fact that Apple has just given the green light to several carriers to sell iPhone". Nokia feeling a bit threatened?

I don't think so. Not unless Apple broaden their handset range which is unlikely.

The Smartphone market covers just a tiny % of the actual handset market.

Personally I think it's just Nokia feeling a bit miffed when they along with all the other manufacturers spend millions on development which they then share with each other to allow interoperability and Apple not playing the game.

Apple have always been a greedy company.

If it's true and Apple have stolen patents they should pay.

[jamesrt2004]

last lawsuit nokia went in.. nokia won so they probably will win this... as meh it does breach it...

LG nearly went to court with apple but they didnt which was silly... LG patented the touch phone (lg prada) or something then iphone "copied" it to an extrent and yeah they where going to go to court...

and tbh iphones crap anyway its like 3/4 gens behind other smartphone tech.. surprised it sells so well atall..

and cant say nokias worried.. they own over 50% of the mobile market lol

also I have an iphone 3g and 3gs =) so it's not ass if im bashing them without having the product/s

[P-P-S-S]

Originally Posted by jamesrt2004

last lawsuit nokia went in.. nokia won so they probably will win this... as meh it does breach it...

LG nearly went to court with apple but they didnt which was silly... LG patented the touch phone (lg prada) or something then iphone "copied" it to an extrent and yeah they where going to go to court...

and tbh iphones crap anyway its like 3/4 gens behind other smartphone tech.. surprised it sells so well atall..

and cant say nokias worried.. they own over 50% of the mobile market lol

also I have an iphone 3g and 3gs =) so it's not ass if im bashing them without having the product/s

How can you say "meh it does breach it'? Based on what facts. I think you dont know what you are talking about at all. iPhone is hailed as the best of smartphones and the sales figures prove that very well. If you hate it so much then why would you go and buy both models? And dont say 'they were a gift'.

As far as figures go, Nkia has 38.6% of the market and Apple has over 1%. However, you need to consider the fact that Nokia has around 50 or more models out and Apple has just 2. Furthermore Apple has only released its phones in a limited number of markets compared to Nokia's worldwide. You do the maths and i think you will find out that Nokia does have reason to get worried.

To back up my figures please see this link Nokia dominates world cell phone market share; Apple and RIM competition heightened

[ani4ani]

Whilst I also believe that the iPhone is one of the best smart phones, that does not detract from the fact that Nokia are quite within their rights to pursue damages if it believes that someone is infringing their IP...whether they are worried or not about their market share.

You still haven't explained what you would say to Nokia and why you wish to say it....and based on what "facts"

[P-P-S-S]

Originally Posted by ani4ani

Whilst I also believe that the iPhone is one of the best smart phones, that does not detract from the fact that Nokia are quite within their rights to pursue damages if it believes that someone is infringing their IP...whether they are worried or not about their market share.

You still haven't explained what you would say to Nokia and why you wish to say it....and based on what "facts"

I am not saying that Nokia hasnt got the right to sue. I am just saying that the timing of their lawsuit is a bit dubious.

I would tell Nokia where to go (to avoid posting rude words in here), and it is not based on facts but rather on personal feelings.

[ani4ani]

Originally Posted by P-P-S-S

I am not saying that Nokia hasnt got the right to sue. I am just saying that the timing of their lawsuit is a bit dubious.

I would tell Nokia where to go (to avoid posting rude words in here), and it is not based on facts but rather on personal feelings.

The timings of lawsuits are never dubious, they are specifically timed to achieve maximum gain and maximum likelihood of success. Why do you have personal feelings towards Nokia? They have as much right to be successful as anyone, not least against organisations that they believe are profiting from their hard work and technology. Whilst your sympathies clearly lie with Apple, you shouldn't forget how often Apple are in the courts defending their technology - they are probably one of the least tolerant and litigious organisations on the planet.

[abdus]

Originally Posted by ani4ani

Whilst your sympathies clearly lie with Apple, you shouldn't forget how often Apple are in the courts defending their technology - they are probably one of the least tolerant and litigious organisations on the planet.

exactly. If Nokia (or any ther mobile company) decides to put an iN98 on the market tomorrow, they will be sued by Apple because of the 'i'

[eni]

As has been said, Nokia have the right to sue Apple if they think that Apple have breached patent laws. And although Nokia is clearly the 'big dog' in this case, and Apple are the underdog (in terms of the mobile phone market at any rate) I do feel that Nokia have a better policy towards the way research should be shared to adapt and improve that market as a whole. Which Apple has a history of actively prohibiting.

However, it is clear that Nokia chose this time specifically to either a) inflict as much damage on Apple as possible, or b) increase the chances of a legal victory as much as possible. There is no coincidence that Nokia chose now to bring legal proceedings forward, there are rarely any coincidences with the movements and tactics of companies of this size.

Being fairly 'anti-Apple' I hope that Nokia when their case, because although I find it a little unlikely that Apple are indeed in breach of patent laws, I think that they should at the very least share their technology with other companies,who have more experience with mobile phones lets face it, and broaden and improve the market in the way that Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsung etc have been doing for years.

[Steven]

I wish to point out on a general note that patent holders would do well to contest any infringement, no matter how seemingly trivial the breach, lest there is a real breach and the other side is able to argue that they have never sought to uphold their rights

[eni]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

I wish to point out on a general note that patent holders would do well to contest any infringement, no matter how seemingly trivial the breach, lest there is a real breach and the other side is able to argue that they have never sought to uphold their rights

That is why the patent system works, I won't say 'well', but it works. Thanks for pointing this out, I over-looked this point heh

[P-P-S-S]

Originally Posted by ani4ani

The timings of lawsuits are never dubious, they are specifically timed to achieve maximum gain and maximum likelihood of success. Why do you have personal feelings towards Nokia? They have as much right to be successful as anyone, not least against organisations that they believe are profiting from their hard work and technology. Whilst your sympathies clearly lie with Apple, you shouldn't forget how often Apple are in the courts defending their technology - they are probably one of the least tolerant and litigious organisations on the planet.

Of course Apple has to defend its technology. Apple built their iPhone from scratch and it became a success very quickly because of its uniqueness. Whilst Apple (and RIM) designed and built something unique the others were sharing everything and that's why the rest of the devices out there are very similar to each other and lacking behind Apple and RIM in sales.

I suppose Apple should be suing Nokia for copying and opening the OVI app store. But then again whilst Apple's App Store is simple and fast to use Nokia's OVI store is a nightmare.

The success of the app store has been that huge that even SONY jumped in the bandwagon and came out with the mini games section for PSP.