[monkey00]

Yea ive got Audyssey setup on my Onkyo amp, so i will run it on that. Out of interest, what difference would it make doing to setup with the gain at 9 o'clock, compared to 0?

[DodgeTheViper]

The same difference it would make if you turned your amp down to zero

[monkey00]

Ah ha! understood :D

[spida_singh]

Quick question, on the inside of the amp, which is positive, and which is negative for connecting the sub, just had a replacement driver delivered and cant remember.. :-(

Is the further outer edge connector negative (top), and the postive the connector underneath (bottom of the two)?

If you was looking at it the right way up vertically??

Cheers

[scartlead]

Anyone know, is there is a sonic difference to having a FF Monolith instead of a DF ? on an upstairs location on a carpeted floor ? Thinking a DF would cause the floor to resonate a bit whereas the FF wouldnt do that.

Thanks

[fayeanddavid]

Originally Posted by scartlead

Anyone know, is there is a sonic difference to having a FF Monolith instead of a DF ? on an upstairs location on a carpeted floor ? Thinking a DF would cause the floor to resonate a bit whereas the FF wouldnt do that.

Thanks

There is a long and considered thread on this very thing in this Monolith thread somewhere however..............
BK say there is no difference between their DF and FF models, structurally of course is a different matter as it would depend on the composite make up of the floor amongst many other factors.
Short answer; should be fine on a carpeted floor, not so good on a bare floor.
You can always position the sub on granite or and Auraflex mat, that would prevent/reduce resonance

[Wavod]

.......Also the FF can look quite imposing, with the speaker grille/driver facing outwards. The DF looks like a nice piece of furniture (with obvious hidden talents underneath!!).
Just something else to put in the equation.

[mkohman]

Hey Guys,

On Thursday I received my lovely Mono DF+ Subwoofer but wasn't able to try it out as the power cable was too short as to where I wanted to place the sub. On thursday I ordered a 5 meter power cable from ebay, changed the 13amp fuse to the 5amp and presto its working all fine now I also ordered the Auralex Gramma Riser and received both power cable and the Auralex riser today in post . In the past hour I managed to put the spikes on the mono and place it in place ontop of the Auralex Gramma must say it is looking very sexy I have connected with both the high level and the low level sub cable .. I am yet to do my Audyssey Setup with my amp . I will do it in the next hour or so just a quick question and help from you guys please!

1 - Have I done a bad thing by connecting both High level and Low level sub cables or is it better to have both connected for the best performance?

2 - Please can you help or advise me if my settings are correct or incorrect: My Phase is at 0 , My freq is at 120hz, My High level Gain is at 9 o'clock and my Low Level Gain is set to 10 o'clock.

I would really really appreciate any tips and tricks or advice with better settings if possible before I do the audyssey setup EQ...

Thanks for all your help..

PS: I also ordered a toughened clear glass top to place ontop of the mono should be ready in the next 2 days

Thanks and look forward in hearing from you guys Thank you

[wonkycows]

Originally Posted by mkohman

Hey Guys,

On Thursday I received my lovely Mono DF+ Subwoofer but wasn't able to try it out as the power cable was too short as to where I wanted to place the sub. On thursday I ordered a 5 meter power cable from ebay, changed the 13amp fuse to the 5amp and presto its working all fine now I also ordered the Auralex Gramma Riser and received both power cable and the Auralex riser today in post . In the past hour I managed to put the spikes on the mono and place it in place ontop of the Auralex Gramma must say it is looking very sexy I have connected with both the high level and the low level sub cable .. I am yet to do my Audyssey Setup with my amp . I will do it in the next hour or so just a quick question and help from you guys please!

1 - Have I done a bad thing by connecting both High level and Low level sub cables or is it better to have both connected for the best performance?

2 - Please can you help or advise me if my settings are correct or incorrect: My Phase is at 0 , My freq is at 120hz, My High level Gain is at 9 o'clock and my Low Level Gain is set to 10 o'clock.

I would really really appreciate any tips and tricks or advice with better settings if possible before I do the audyssey setup EQ...

Thanks for all your help..

PS: I also ordered a toughened clear glass top to place ontop of the mono should be ready in the next 2 days

Thanks and look forward in hearing from you guys Thank you

Hey there
Nothing wrong with having both high and low inputs connected at the same time. One is good for films (low) and the other works when you use pure direct for music (High). You'll find that your sub crossover will need to be switched on, but only just, i.e. just clicked on, but not turned any further than that. Your audyssey setup should help with the cross over settings on the receiver.
Your settings are a good starting point, but for me I find that the high level gain only needs setting quiet low. Remember it's just supporting your front speakers low end. But the gain settings are something you may have to play about with.
Your gonna have fun, I know it. Let us know what you think when it's all set and running.

[scartlead]

Originally Posted by fayeanddavid

There is a long and considered thread on this very thing in this Monolith thread somewhere however..............
BK say there is no difference between their DF and FF models, structurally of course is a different matter as it would depend on the composite make up of the floor amongst many other factors.
Short answer; should be fine on a carpeted floor, not so good on a bare floor.
You can always position the sub on granite or and Auraflex mat, that would prevent/reduce resonance

Originally Posted by Wavod

.......Also the FF can look quite imposing, with the speaker grille/driver facing outwards. The DF looks like a nice piece of furniture (with obvious hidden talents underneath!!).
Just something else to put in the equation.

Cheers Chaps, I'll have a look at Bk's Site

[mkohman]

LoL, I turned the frequency knob on the mono from 40hz all the way to 120hz past that untill it clicked. I just realised that by making it click past 120hz I think I am disabling the frequency by turning it off? Is this correct? This ios how I did the Audyssey Eq setup. Shall I turn it back counter clockwise and leave it at 120hz straight after it clicks? Will I need to re run Audyssey EQ again? The amp LFE crossover is set at 120hz. Thanks for help

[-=Rob=-]

Originally Posted by mkohman

LoL, I turned the frequency knob on the mono from 40hz all the way to 120hz past that untill it clicked. I just realised that by making it click past 120hz I think I am disabling the frequency by turning it off? Is this correct? This ios how I did the Audyssey Eq setup. Shall I turn it back counter clockwise and leave it at 120hz straight after it clicks? Will I need to re run Audyssey EQ again? The amp LFE crossover is set at 120hz. Thanks for help

I's disable the frequency on the mono (clicking it past) and then let your receiver handle the crossover. Also 120hz sounds a tad high to be crossing LFE over, that is unless you have ultra small speakers? The recommended crossover is around 80hz, but depends on your speaker specifications.

[Langstone]

Originally Posted by -=Rob=-

I's disable the frequency on the mono (clicking it past) and then let your receiver handle the crossover. Also 120hz sounds a tad high to be crossing LFE over, that is unless you have ultra small speakers? The recommended crossover is around 80hz, but depends on your speaker specifications.

If I go past the click on my Monolith and have the high level connection I hear vocals through the Monolith. By unclicking the filter and just winding it back a fraction the high level connection is useable. I didn't notice this with my BK200XLS when it had high and low connections but this currently only has a low level connection so wouldn't suffer this problem.

As I uderstand LFE at 120hz is fine its the individual speakers that are often around the 80hz level which is THX reccomended.

Regards

Mark

[mkohman]

@Rob and Langstone .. Thanks for your advise . LFE at 120hz is recommended and the speaker crossovers are recommended at 80 hz? Just a quick question I have the B&W CMC2 centre speakers and after calibration it sets it at 40hz shall I up that to 80hz also ? Please can nayone also advise what you guys have your Low level Gain volume at? Mine is set at 10'oclock but it seems a little too low???

Here is a little tip for you guys hope it helps:

Subwoofer setup and MultEQ : Ask Audyssey

[wonkycows]

Originally Posted by mkohman

@Rob and Langstone .. Thanks for your advise . LFE at 120hz is recommended and the speaker crossovers are recommended at 80 hz? Just a quick question I have the B&W CMC2 centre speakers and after calibration it sets it at 40hz shall I up that to 80hz also ? Please can nayone also advise what you guys have your Low level Gain volume at? Mine is set at 10'oclock but it seems a little too low???

Here is a little tip for you guys hope it helps:

Subwoofer setup and MultEQ : Ask Audyssey

Best thing to do with the center speaker crossover is to try it at the 40Hz and gradually alter it and see what it sounds like. You'll know when it sounds best to you that's the setting you want. I too found my low level gain needed turning a up. Mine's on 12'oclock. You may have to adjust settings after a couple of weeks when the Mono's run in properly.

[mkohman]

Hey all,

I really need some help! I sold my PV 1 sub and bought the mono DF+ after reading so many good reviews. I am only connecting with the LFE cable and not using the High Level. My setting on the subs are: Phase at 0, Frequency is off (click sound after 120hz), high level at min and low level gain at 10'oclock. My speakers are set to small in my Onkyo 608 Amp and crossover is at 80hz for speakers and LFE is at 120hz in amp.

I have put the spikes on the mono feet and placed it on a Auralex Gramma which I purchased just for the mono. After running Audyssey 2EQ on my amp it sets the mono to -3db .. Now I have been using my mono for a few days now and I must say I am very sorry but I had so much expectaions with this sub which I am not getting. I can barely hear the sub.. Sometimes it kicks in but most the time its quiet? Even when I put my ear next to the driver its so quiet I don't know if its on .. Its very very subtle .. I thoght I would feel the sub and feel a punch in my chest etc with the mon but I am not getting this at all. Am I doing something wrong is my gain levels or -3db n the amp too low? What do you guys think the problem may be.. I had sooo much high expectations for this sub.. Please help .. Thanks !

[anavfan]

If the Onkyo has a level adjustment I'd borrow or buy a sound level meter set it to the C setting and ensure it's set as loud as all your other speakers.

It's probably set too quiet at the moment.

[wonkycows]

Originally Posted by mkohman

Hey all,

I really need some help! I sold my PV 1 sub and bought the mono DF+ after reading so many good reviews. I am only connecting with the LFE cable and not using the High Level. My setting on the subs are: Phase at 0, Frequency is off (click sound after 120hz), high level at min and low level gain at 10'oclock. My speakers are set to small in my Onkyo 608 Amp and crossover is at 80hz for speakers and LFE is at 120hz in amp.

I have put the spikes on the mono feet and placed it on a Auralex Gramma which I purchased just for the mono. After running Audyssey 2EQ on my amp it sets the mono to -3db .. Now I have been using my mono for a few days now and I must say I am very sorry but I had so much expectaions with this sub which I am not getting. I can barely hear the sub.. Sometimes it kicks in but most the time its quiet? Even when I put my ear next to the driver its so quiet I don't know if its on .. Its very very subtle .. I thoght I would feel the sub and feel a punch in my chest etc with the mon but I am not getting this at all. Am I doing something wrong is my gain levels or -3db n the amp too low? What do you guys think the problem may be.. I had sooo much high expectations for this sub.. Please help .. Thanks !

I believe you should turn the setting up on the amp till it sounds right. Auto set ups seems to have a bit of a hard time with sub bass settings, no matter what make of receiver you have. I've got a Yamaha amp and that needed turning up a lot after the auto set up and my mono low level is set to twelve 'oclock.
So I'd put something on that's known for good sub bass sound and gradually up the settings till it sounds good. It's possible to pressurize a room to uncomfortable levels easily, so I think it's most likely the level's too low. Good luck.

[DodgeTheViper]

Does that not mean that the sub level would be higher than the 75db speaker level ? I thought that wasn't allowed.

[mkohman]

Originally Posted by anavfan

If the Onkyo has a level adjustment I'd borrow or buy a sound level meter set it to the C setting and ensure it's set as loud as all your other speakers.

It's probably set too quiet at the moment.

Originally Posted by wonkycows

I believe you should turn the setting up on the amp till it sounds right. Auto set ups seems to have a bit of a hard time with sub bass settings, no matter what make of receiver you have. I've got a Yamaha amp and that needed turning up a lot after the auto set up and my mono low level is set to twelve 'oclock.
So I'd put something on that's known for good sub bass sound and gradually up the settings till it sounds good. It's possible to pressurize a room to uncomfortable levels easily, so I think it's most likely the level's too low. Good luck.

Thanks for your help guys.. I purchased this today : http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0015NSTL...SIN=B0015NSTLI

When it arrives how do I use it? Do I put it on tripod at my listening position and then set it to 75 or 80db and play with the level of each speaker in amp settings untill the level is at 0 ? Is this the way to do it?

Thanks

[anavfan]

Originally Posted by mkohman

Thanks for your help guys.. I purchased this today : Silverline 633937 Sound Level Meter: Amazon.co.uk: DIY & Tools

When it arrives how do I use it? Do I put it on tripod at my listening position and then set it to 75 or 80db and play with the level of each speaker in amp settings untill the level is at 0 ? Is this the way to do it?

Thanks

Just hold the sound level meter as close as possible to your sitting position (middle of where your ears are to be exact). Put the sound meter in the C setting.
Then assuming your Onkyo has a speaker calibration mode that puts out white noise around each speaker, simply adjust the levels of each speaker including the Monolith until they're all the same.

I've done that though I think if I'm in a bass mood I might still the Monolith up!

[fayeanddavid]

Originally Posted by anavfan

Just hold the sound level meter as close as possible to your sitting position (middle of where your ears are to be exact). Put the sound meter in the C setting.
Then assuming your Onkyo has a speaker calibration mode that puts out white noise around each speaker, simply adjust the levels of each speaker including the Monolith until they're all the same.

I've done that though I think if I'm in a bass mood I might still the Monolith up!

And then trust your ears for the final tweaks in terms of volume, i.e if the bass is too loud, turn it down!, if the rears intrude turn them down! if you can't hear it to your satisfaction then turn them up!
Ultimately once the the set up is complete (spl meters et al) don't be afraid to tweak to suit your ears in your listening environment.

[fayeanddavid]

Just having a moment of big love towards my Monolith DF!!

Had the beast for nearly six months now, sits there in all it's Walnut veneer glory, (akin to a smart corner table), and just does the business..............unobtrusive until, and then wow, what a performer!
Even the integration with the other speakers is spot on, e.g. if the action/bass/need is to the left/to the right etc then the bas integration is exactly there, yet it justs sits towards the corner of the room (about 30cm clear on the two sides)

Really really so pleased with this piece of kit, well worth the wait, the lack of communication ex BK and all the frustration, because it is just a dream to listen too.

Brilliant!!

[Freebird uk]

Hi all, on the BK order page it asks if you need a mono or stereo rca interconnect - I have an Onkyo 607 - which do I need please?

Thanks in advance

Freebird

[wonkycows]

Originally Posted by Freebird uk

Hi all, on the BK order page it asks if you need a mono or stereo rca interconnect - I have an Onkyo 607 - which do I need please?

Thanks in advance

Freebird

You need the mono rca connection lead.

[Freebird uk]

Originally Posted by wonkycows

You need the mono rca connection lead.

Thanks

[l34052]

You can use a stereo connection equally as well with no problems, the only difference is slightly more gain with stereo connectors by a few db but that can be fixed by turning it down on the sub itself.

For simplicity though its far easier to just use a mono cable.

[Freebird uk]

Thanks again. I spoke to olive today & she is sending me a sample of wood to see if it matches my walnut pearl diamond 10s as wife wants a perfect match.
Was quoted about 3 wks delivery so thats my xmas pressie sorted if good match!

[fayeanddavid]

Originally Posted by Freebird uk

Thanks again. I spoke to olive today & she is sending me a sample of wood to see if it matches my walnut pearl diamond 10s as wife wants a perfect match.
Was quoted about 3 wks delivery so thats my xmas pressie sorted if good match!

There are some pics in the previous thread of mine, around page 28 IIRC and also there web page is not a million miles away for the Walnut

Wood will always go with wood, colour nuances are what makes wood alive, so I would suggest that the good lady doesn't get to hung up on the match, your eyes have a clever sensor that sees things similarly especially if there is a break between two items of similar style (wood)so that the reference point is broken

[monkey00]

Hi guys, I received my Monolith Gloss Black yesterday, and have to say the build quality and finish is second to none, very impressed. I haven’t really had much time to play around with settings yet, but I just done a quick Audyssey setup and threw on War of the Worlds, ive got it only connected through the mono lead at the moment. The part when the alien comes up from the ground is quite amazing, ive never heard bass like that before. My old Sony sub never even picked it up the last time I watched it! One thing that was not right tho was the speech didn’t sound to have much low tone to it, ive got Bose satellites atm and it made the front speakers seem a bit tiny compared to my old sub. Like when glass shattered it was quite high pitched, with out an initial slam when it began to shatter. Am I correct in thinking that if I use the LFE cable, then that will help support the front speakers, whilst the mono line will deal with the big crash bang wallops?