[Butters]

So any bundle deals Filbert with a CR200 & S5

You will love the S5 - clever marketing should see loads of these sell.....

[Filbert]

Not allowed to discuss any offers/bundles on here, but you can call me.

[dapprman]

Originally Posted by Filbert

Our S5's are arriving tomorrow, if anyone wants a demo please contact us at the number in my sig.

I'm interested to hear your views on it in the real world. I was contemplating buying a second hand ZP100 or ZP120 for my kitchen when the announcement for this was made and I must admit I am very tempted.

[Butters]

Originally Posted by dapprman

I'm interested to hear your views on it in the real world. I was contemplating buying a second hand ZP100 or ZP120 for my kitchen when the announcement for this was made and I must admit I am very tempted.

I have one already - and for a kitchen this is a far tidier solution than anything else. The sound really is astonishing for the footprint size and will not be suprised if these become limited stock everywhere.

Add to that the portability factor - move it to the bedroom, bathroom, spare room, office, garden (if you have mains out there) garage, shed... yada yada

[Filbert]

Originally Posted by dapprman

I'm interested to hear your views on it in the real world. I was contemplating buying a second hand ZP100 or ZP120 for my kitchen when the announcement for this was made and I must admit I am very tempted.

I have of course already heard it in action, but will have our dem model set up this morning. My thoughts on it so far (having heard it at the Sonos dealer demo day at the Emirates Staduim) is pretty much the same as Butters.

The sound really is astonishing for the footprint size... Add to that the portability factor - move it to the bedroom, bathroom, spare room, office, garden (if you have mains out there) garage, shed... yada yada

[BlairLoch]

Dammit!! I was all set on a Squeezebox Boom for my room but the Sonos kit just looks so much better quality, and as I will eventually be making it a multiroom setup when moving out this presents a much more complete solutions.

Grr 350 quid is a lot of dosh for what is gonna start off as a napster streamer (NAS + FLAC + Proper Audio setup to be added when I move out)

[Butters]

Originally Posted by kAulART

Dammit!! I was all set on a Squeezebox Boom for my room but the Sonos kit just looks so much better quality, and as I will eventually be making it a multiroom setup when moving out this presents a much more complete solutions.

Grr 350 quid is a lot of dosh for what is gonna start off as a napster streamer (NAS + FLAC + Proper Audio setup to be added when I move out)

The question is - what kit could you buy for £350 as an alternative and will it serve your needs? £350 is a "cheap" way into SONOS (plus another £70 for a zone bridge if you want full flexibility). Don't forget its not just Napster, there is your PC library plus kagillions of radio stations and Deezer, and lastfm and.....longer term a fully multizone setup if you want.

[Dan.Scott1234]

I have a Bose Sounddock Portable that I use in the bedroom/kitchen/garden (Using my iPhone as a source in the garden)

The S5 is tempting though as it's very neat, no separate zone player/cable between zone player and sounddock - but then i'd have £300 odd of sounddock portable sat around doing nothing until the summer when I can use it in the garden again damn always a catch!

[Normal Bias]

Originally Posted by Butters

The question is - what kit could you buy for £350 as an alternative and will it serve your needs?

A laptop/netbook, with the bonus of being able to surf the web and watch DVDs or even TV. Or an ipod touch into a sounddock running plugplayer. There are alternatives, albeit not as slick on the interface front.

[Butters]

Originally Posted by Normal Bias

A laptop/netbook, with the bonus of being able to surf the web and watch DVDs or even TV. Or an ipod touch into a sounddock running plugplayer. There are alternatives, albeit not as slick on the interface front.

Indeed but that is neither aesthetically pleasing on the eye or more importantly as the OP suggested - expandable into multi - zones

[coolio107]

Originally Posted by Butters

Indeed but that is neither aesthetically pleasing on the eye or more importantly as the OP suggested - expandable into multi - zones

Well, the Squeezebox Boom is, has Wifi and comes with built-in controls.
Plus for the 170£ difference he could even get a second zone :-)

[Butters]

Originally Posted by coolio107

Well, the Squeezebox Boom is, has Wifi and comes with built-in controls.
Plus for the 170£ difference he could even get a second zone :-)

True but its not aesthetically pleasing on the eye

Fair point, but they are very very different markets.......

[Autopilot]

Originally Posted by Butters

True but its not aesthetically pleasing on the eye

Fair point, but they are very very different markets.......

And the S5 is aesthetically pleasing? each to there own, but to me the Boom looks quite nice in the flesh and sounds amazing for it's size. Maybe the S5 will look better in the flesh, looks like a heater to me though.

Not sure what you mean by "very very different markets". The are different approaches to the same market.

And yes for £400 (including zone bridge) you could by 2 SB Boom's, or a Boom and SB Radio and still have change.

[coolio107]

Originally Posted by Autopilot

Not sure what you mean by "very very different markets". The are different approaches to the same market.

Well, there are still people who buy Bang & Olufsen although that stuff has mediocre sound and is horrible to use but it has this "I'm rich look"

Compared to that - Sonos is at least easy to use, can't comment on the sound of the S5, haven't heard it, yet, if it's as good as Boom it could at least be appealing to the friends of expensive heaters

[norks27]

Originally Posted by Autopilot

And the S5 isAnd yes for £400 (including zone bridge) you could by 2 SB Boom's, or a Boom and SB Radio and still have change.

There is I believe a reason for the cheapness you imply when compared to the Sonos - Build Quality. That was one of the reasons I went the Sonos route, the far superior build quality, unfortunately that is reflected in the price of Sonos gear when compared to Logitechs offerings.

Right I'm off to find a bomb shelter to hide in and await the 'Wrath of Auto', hehe.

Richard

[Autopilot]

I agree the build quality of Sonos is great. But the Squeezebox range is very good.

The reasons for choosing Sonos over SB, or visa versa, have little to do with build quality. Sonos charge a 'lifestyle' tax on their gear. But thats not to say they are not great products. Far from it.

[Butters]

Originally Posted by Autopilot

I agree the build quality of Sonos is great. But the Squeezebox range is very good.

The reasons for choosing Sonos over SB, or visa versa, have little to do with build quality. Sonos charge a 'lifestyle' tax on their gear. But thats not to say they are not great products. Far from it.

I am not knocking the Logitech gear at all - I particularly rate the remote controller range. But i disagree with the "lifestyle" tax comment.

I moved from Roku, to Squeeze to SONOS. What i think you are paying for with SONOS is quality of build, ease of use, and support second to none. The last two are key. I felt that with both Roku and Squeeze that the products worked very well (with effort) - but always needed me to tweak something or add this or change that in software to make it all happen properly. I also felt that the build quality of the Roku was better than the Squeeze and the SONOS better again.

It is all horses for courses at the end of the day, but with SONOS you just plug it in and it all happens easy peasy. Thats not lifestyle, thats the height of difficult and clever technology made for idiots (in the nicest possible term - i am one of them). I have had issues with my SONOS on only 2 occasions in 3 years. One of those issues i resolved myself, the other resolved in 25 minutes with a real person on the end of a freephone call accessing my network directly and doing what needed to be done to rectify the issue (which was infact nowt to do with SONOS but an issue in software between my PC and the router).

Thats not lifestyle, thats quality product support.

All IMHO of course

[Autopilot]

Wow, that's supprising to hear as I always found roku gear to have absolutly shocking build quality. Not even close to logitech.

And yes, things like support do need to be factored in. But the way you put it above sounded like you were saying the build quality was worth the premium by itself.

Let's not forget there are some fundemental differnces in the way sonos and squeezebox work too.

But I think we should leave the sb vs sonos discussion for now

[Butters]

Originally Posted by Autopilot

But the way you put it above sounded like you were saying the build quality was worth the premium by itself.

Not at all - that was a couple of words amongst the many lines discussing the ease of use, customer support from an end user who has used and owned all 3 products and I guess i should have said "percieved" build quality. It just that i like the use of metals in my HiFi kit (runs away quickly)

Now back on topic - the S5 is an absolute cracking piece of kit (albeit with convector heater appearance) and look forward to hearing from others use and comparison to things such as the B&W Zepplin which has always nagged me that i never bought one as i thought looked and sounded pretty darn fine.

[Autopilot]

Originally Posted by Butters

Not at all - that was a couple of words amongst the many lines discussing the ease of use, customer support from an end user who has used and owned all 3 products and I guess i should have said "percieved" build quality. It just that i like the use of metals in my HiFi kit (runs away quickly)

Sorry, my mistake Butters. It was norks27's post i was referring to, not yours mate sorry

[Butters]

Originally Posted by Autopilot

Sorry, my mistake Butters. It was norks27's post i was referring to, not yours mate sorry

No apols needed matey - its all good healthy discussion here

[SimonO]

Originally Posted by Autopilot

..But I think we should leave the sb vs sonos discussion for now

You've like a stuck record ..

[Autopilot]

Originally Posted by SimonO

You've like a stuck record ..

Don't be so up yourself. It's an open forum. I was just trying to explain the differences and avoid the usual kind of misinformed sonos vs sb you get on the incredibly snobbish sonos forum. But it seems like some has leaked onto here again if you want another sonos vs sb debate I think it would be best left to another thread.

[blisteringblue]

I love it when it goes all "loadsamoney" on here.

Autopilot is a legend in the squeeze community and I actually have to say it was one of his posts that put me down the logitech route after my Monitor Audio i-deck failed for playing the ipod.

But there is so much BS posted on here about placebo this and if you hold your breath for 40 seconds during a part of a song it actually sounds better, I take it all with a pinch of salt.

95% of us cannot tell the difference beween 320kb MP3 and Flac no matter what you play it on. You only hear the difference in your head. A generalised statement maybe, but ask yourself that question honestly. I will admit I fall into that catagory. Although I store as Flac it is only for my brain's sake "it's lossless so it must be better."

Yes this S5 looks stunning, very "Bose" but I'm about to get a SB Touch to hook up to my amp and even with that and the Boom, I've still got change from the Sonos S5.

The music will still sound the same to my very untrained ears, but if you want to spend "loadsamoney" just because it's "better" then please be my guest.

Just my 2 pence because there is far too much snobbery on this forum at the moment.

[norks27]

Originally Posted by Autopilot

Sorry, my mistake Butters. It was norks27's post i was referring to, not yours mate sorry

In my comment I said:

That was one of the reasons I went the Sonos route

I'd be seriously stupid if that was the only reason I went the Sonos route, but as I said it was one of the reasons. For me Logitech, (in terms of build quality), does not cut the mustard, that is my opinion and I believe I am entitled to that view. I'm not sure why that makes me a snob? I'm not some banker with loads of money to throw around, I saved hard from my paltry NHS wage to achieve my goal of freeing up my large CD collection and filling my home with great tunes.

The fact of the matter is that it is all about the music. How you enjoy your music, what bit rate you use, how it's stored, what speakers you use, etc is all irrelevant. If at the end of the day you put on your favourite track and it makes you smile then - job done. It matters not how much x or y costs.

It's sad when debate is hindered by a certain mindset that will not allow any critical comments to be made about a particular brand and for open debate to be transformed into mud slinging with the use of words like 'snobbish'.

Please lets keep this sensible and respect others views - if you feel they are wrong say so in a polite manner.

Thanks and just enjoy the music

[blisteringblue]

Originally Posted by norks27

The fact of the matter is that it is all about the music. How you enjoy your music, what bit rate you use, how it's stored, what speakers you use, etc is all irrelevant. If at the end of the day you put on your favourite track and it makes you smile then - job done. It matters not how much x or y costs.

It's sad when debate is hindered by a certain mindset that will not allow any critical comments to be made about a particular brand and for open debate to be transformed into mud slinging with the use of words like 'snobbish'.

I do very much agree with you, and perhaps my post was childish, but even though it should all be about the music it never seems to be.

[Autopilot]

Originally Posted by norks27

It's sad when debate is hindered by a certain mindset that will not allow any critical comments to be made about a particular brand and for open debate to be transformed into mud slinging with the use of words like 'snobbish'.

Actually mate, it was the point that i was called a broken record for trying the avoid this very thing. And when did i call you a snob?

Apart from the build quality of SB products, which is generally well known for being very good for the money, i complete agree with you

[SimonO]

Originally Posted by Autopilot

..I was just trying to explain the differences and avoid the usual kind of misinformed sonos vs sb you get on the incredibly snobbish sonos forum. But it seems like some has leaked onto here again if you want another sonos vs sb debate I think it would be best left to another thread.

Chip on your shoulder!? I don't want another Sonos vs SB debate, isn't that the point I was making.

Yes it's an open forum, but you post the same old waffle time and time again, about a product you don't even own, hence the stuck record reference.

[amcluesent]

Calm down, everyone, calm down.

[Butters]

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