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19-04-2009, 2:30 PM
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Bolton Chairman Phil Gartside has put forward a plan for debate this week that the 20 club premier league should split into 2 divisions of 16 teams which would possibly include the old firm clubs from Scotland. Read the BBC story here
Beyond the discussions of the good and bad of the Old Firm playing in the EPL, my question is if the smaller 2 tier Prem is a good or bad idea in your books?
I'm torn personally. On the plus side I can see how having 8 less pre games per season would be beneficial in terms of internationals and cup competitions to keep players fresh. I can also see the arguement that it will give a slightly less harsh environment for teams being relegated and also will give a more staggered step up for teams promoted which can only be a good thing.
However, on the downside I think the top 16 will become even more entrenched because the top 7 or 8 teams (the big 4, Villa, Everton, Spurs and Man City) have the financial clout to really make their places cemented and it will be harder for smaller teams like Fulham, Wigan and West Ham to break into the possible European places. Also in reality the EPL2 will become little more than just the Championship re branded unless the 2 leagues are packaged together in both name and the sale of TV coverage.
The biggest problem I guess would be how even more of the top players would be focused into the top 16 clubs and make it more difficult still for the EPL2 teams to attract good players. Maybe if there was some structure of wage or transfer caps or even a maximum number of players allowed in a squad (possibly even age caps like you have to have 6 of your 24 players under 23 and no more than 5 over 30) then it could lead to a more even distribution of players and quality.
I dunno, unlikely to ever happen but it is an interesting idea worthy of debate.
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19-04-2009, 6:05 PM
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Never happen and absoloute joke of an idea
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19-04-2009, 7:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kopchoir Never happen and absoloute joke of an idea | Hardly news bearing in mind it was thought up bu phil gartside. The man who nearly makes garry cook look sensible.
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20-04-2009, 6:12 PM
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Just been reading about this online... seems silly to me! |
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20-04-2009, 9:01 PM
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Its good for some teams dont get me wrong but it would make a mockery of the lower leagues and the smaller teams who dont get anywhere near as much cash according to the idea 1 team gets relegated from prem 2 and 1 goes up so that will mean no play offs no chance for other teams
it stinks of greed again
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21-04-2009, 1:36 PM
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& what right do Rangers & Celtic have to just slot into our top tier leagues without some sort of qualification?
If they are ever to join us they need to start at the bottom & work their way up like everyone else.
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21-04-2009, 2:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kopchoir Never happen and absoloute joke of an idea | It's only as silly an idea as the supposed "top" teams in Europe having their own break away league.
Why don't the people in power just leave the game alone?
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21-04-2009, 3:42 PM
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21-04-2009, 4:08 PM
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I agree it should be consigned to the dustbin.
But this is football we're talking about, so if it makes more money, it'll happen one day.
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21-04-2009, 4:09 PM
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I'm a non old-firm supporter and would have reservations about the old-firm leaving the Scottish Game.
1) What type of sponsorship,media interest would be left without them.
2) Scottish Football has been dominated by both teams it would be hard to see a league without them.
I don't subscribe to the notion either that within 5 years they will be competing on a par with the established big four. I can only see them as a 5-10 place in the League as the top four look to be entrenched.
Aston Villa have spent a fortune and are still short despite an indifferent Arsenal due to injuries. Man City are the only club if the money is spent properly that have any likelihood of breaking the top-four but even that is debatable.
Access to the Champion's League has made the top four a closed-shop and the finances generated keep them pulling further away. Financially only Barcelona and Real Madrid can compete financially with the top four.
Celtic and Rangers are both large clubs but are no bigger than Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool,Newcastle, Tottenham, Aston Villa. The problem as I see it is they can improve their squads if they reached the Premiership through the extra financial resources acquired. But the top-quality players will still go to the top-four and the rest will go to the next clubs down the ladder.
I would be interested to observe how Old-Firm supporters would handle the lack of trophies won each season. If clubs like Everton can go 15 years without winning a trophy so could the likes of the Old-Firm.
Their is also the talk that even if they made the top-four would the FA even nominate them for a Champions League place as the places are for England's representatives and neither side are English.
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21-04-2009, 4:37 PM
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I actually think the scottish game would improve and be much much better if they leaved it would asl be good for the national team
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21-04-2009, 5:53 PM
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Yeah I reckon instead of Hibs and Hearts losing their best players at 21 to Rangers and Celtic reserve squads then it'd help the scottish leagues, not sure about Rangers and Celtic going down to the English leagues though, as others have said it's not entirely fair them being put in near the top of the league but I can't imagine seeing them start at the bottom and work their ways up.
Would be a bit of a stinker winning the championship and not getting promoted to the premier league.
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22-04-2009, 6:26 AM
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I pity the Portsmouth fan who has a midweek fixture against a Scottish club. How big a round trip is that? What happens if the match goes to extra time and you then have a long drive back in the early hours? Will we see more deaths from people falling asleep at the wheel? These deaths will be related to clubs and money.
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22-04-2009, 8:02 AM
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[QUOTE=Sonic67;9353092]I pity the Portsmouth fan who has a midweek fixture against a Scottish club. How big a round trip is that? What happens if the match goes to extra time and you then have a long drive back in the early hours? Will we see more deaths from people falling asleep at the wheel? These deaths will be related to clubs and money.[/QUOTE]
Just a little bit extreme
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22-04-2009, 8:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Sonic67 Will we see more deaths from people falling asleep at the wheel? These deaths will be related to clubs and money. |   
Lol and lol again...
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Snap! lol
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