NUFC - Tough Tackling

Rorifett · 05-03-2009, 5:21 PM

Anyone feel like Newcastle are getting dirtier as time wears on? This season I've seen career-threatening injuries dished out to several players and downright shocking tackles all over the pitch (from what games/highlights I've watched)

Don't know if it's possibly just a blinkered view from myself since our lot lost Arteta (not from a bad tackle) in our recent head-to-head and there was also that 'tackle' from Kevin Nolan on Victor Anichebe which could've ended the poor kids career before it'd even really had a chance to go anywhere.

jassco · 09-03-2009, 6:10 PM

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Anyone feel like Newcastle are getting dirtier as time wears on? This season I've seen career-threatening injuries dished out to several players and downright shocking tackles all over the pitch (from what games/highlights I've watched)

Don't know if it's possibly just a blinkered view from myself since our lot lost Arteta (not from a bad tackle) in our recent head-to-head and there was also that 'tackle' from Kevin Nolan on Victor Anichebe which could've ended the poor kids career before it'd even really had a chance to go anywhere.

couldn't agree more, but i am slightly biased

imo wenger got it right when he said there should be longer bans for some of the challenges out there. you know when you're making a horrid tackle, and should be punished properly. 5 games would be about enough, or even if you severely injure someone you should be banned the same amount of time (up to 10 games)

minniepk17 · 10-03-2009, 2:05 PM

I didn't see Nolan's tackle (just the pics) but from all accounts it was bruttle. That said any team with Joey Barton on it is going to tackle harder than most!

Personally, I think the best thing to do is beat them 5-1 at home

Westindieman · 11-03-2009, 9:56 AM

Nolan had no intention of hurting anyone and he is an honest player. The red card was right thought. What puzzles me in football at the moment though is the FA seem to be more lenient with ManU than anyone else. Eg Shawn Wright Phillips gets charged for his reaction to Delaps foul on the basis of television replays. Yet Ronaldo has had at least 2 similar offences, Rooney has seen red mists and elbows and arms have been aimed at oponents, but nothing.

Rorifett · 16-03-2009, 1:23 PM

The FA has been encouraging the sky 4 to get away with nonsense for years now. John Terry this season rugby tackles some boy and is the last man - gets his punishment rescinded by the FA. Tim Cahill gets a straight red(!?) in the first derby of the season for a tackle which was a yellow at worst, goes to the FA and they decide the 3 match ban stands?
I definitely feel longer bans are required, the ban should match the injury lay-off possibly. We've lost Anichebe for the rest of the season but Nolan's already back playing... Sucks! Lol

Wilf · 24-03-2009, 3:21 PM

It goes on. Rooney gets a one match ban, as the ref fails to see him hitting the corner flag. Ronaldo seems to able to do what he likes without remonstration. Absolute joke!

Back to the thread title, Newcastle are getting desperate, resorting to an ugly form of the beautiful game I would know nothing about being a life long Stoke City fan.

*RMCF* · 24-03-2009, 4:03 PM

They are going down and I think there is an element that they are trying anything to stay up.

Too often they got outclassed and out-fought, and I think they have been told to "get stuck in".

But it will not save them. They are tripe.

minniepk17 · 24-03-2009, 4:34 PM

NUFC is a club in freefall and the only way is down I'm afraid. I will be sad to see them leave the division but even if they manage to survive I can only see another tough season and a lot of players sprinting for the exit door

[FONT=Verdana]I really feel sorry for the fans - not too many clubs can boast such support and passion[/FONT]

*RMCF* · 24-03-2009, 4:44 PM

I am one that won't be sad to see them go.

They must be the worst run club in the EPL by a country mile.

The club have been buying bums for a long time on MASSIVE wages that were finished a long time ago. Names like Butt, Viduka, Owen, Barton (

), Duff, Smith spring to mind.

Fed up listening to the 'big club' tag. Your position at the end of a season simply does not lie. Now if they could only take Boro with them

**Steven** · 24-03-2009, 5:10 PM

Taylor on Arshavin not even picking up a yellow when it should have been a red

minniepk17 · 24-03-2009, 5:19 PM

[FONT=Verdana]NUFC is only BIG club in terms of support - that's were it ends. In terms of yellow / red cards etc... There is no worse club than MUFC - the Fulham game is a perfect example. I appreciate Rooney got his marching orders but he should have been joined by Ronaldo. For such a good player he dishes out a fair amount of abuse to refs and other players. Murphy offered him an olive branch and he just slapped it away- hardly a good example to set[/FONT]

Doctor_AB · 26-03-2009, 10:39 PM

"kevin nolan is an honest player" what does that mean? His tackle on anichibe was shocking and could have broken the guys leg and anway has ended his season. Any professional who does that to a fellow pro is contemtible. It seems that the media and some posters are happy to stick up for englsih players who foul (they are just regarded as "hard men") but cheating johnny foreigner watch out. The tackle by nolan was a horror tackel and he deserved a far longer ban. If you did that after a night out you would be locked up.

Doctor_AB · 26-03-2009, 10:48 PM

another bit of honest kev advice

Kevin Nolan`s comment regarding Theo Walcott. 'I have never seen anybody as quick as Theo Walcott in my life. I said to Jlloyd Samuel "Give him a little kick and see if he comes back at you,"` explained the Bolton captain.

Westindieman · 27-03-2009, 10:53 AM

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"kevin nolan is an honest player" what does that mean? His tackle on anichibe was shocking and could have broken the guys leg and anway has ended his season. Any professional who does that to a fellow pro is contemtible. It seems that the media and some posters are happy to stick up for englsih players who foul (they are just regarded as "hard men") but cheating johnny foreigner watch out. The tackle by nolan was a horror tackel and he deserved a far longer ban. If you did that after a night out you would be locked up.

My interpretation is I cannot be convinced Nolan had any intent with that challenge, Nolan has no reputation as a hard man. Red card yes as he should have taken more care but intent not for me and thats why I say 'honest player', and for me he has to be given the benefit of the doubt. Unless of course you have evidence of a history of him being a hard man and being sent off (but you wont as he isnt) in what isnt exactly a short carreer.
Also he waited for the player and opologised when he was carried off, more hardman evidence.

Doctor_AB · 27-03-2009, 10:08 PM

Watch the tackle again mate you might change your view.

Easy to apologise after asaulting someone. Hard man - no. A hard man is someone who tackles hard but fair.

**Steven** · 27-03-2009, 10:27 PM

You do not need to walk around being Mr Big waving to defend properly. Case in point: Ledley King (damn shame about his knee)

People who deliberately foul are just slow in mind, slow in thought and slow in speed

As for Nolan - well I will bite my lip as the less I say about Sam Allardyce players the better otherwise the mods will have me y'know!

Doctor_AB · 27-03-2009, 11:10 PM

agree about king great shame.

Westindieman · 29-03-2009, 7:30 PM

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You do not need to walk around being Mr Big waving to defend properly. Case in point: Ledley King (damn shame about his knee)

People who deliberately foul are just slow in mind, slow in thought and slow in speed

As for Nolan - well I will bite my lip as the less I say about Sam Allardyce players the better otherwise the mods will have me y'know!

As a Spurs fan I have to agree with you on King. I also agree on Allardyce teams, particularly Bolton and it used to wind me up the things they get away with to gain advantages in a game, in particular -Diouf, Davies, Nolan and others whose names dont come to me now. They used to really be on the edge of fairness if they werent completely on the wrong side. As I have said though, Im not 100% convinced Nolan intended to injure Anichebe and that is the only way he meant he is an honest player.

Rorifett · 11-04-2009, 6:11 PM

That's Nolan bloody well at it again! Newcastle Stoke today against Whelan he's gone in (albeit at a slightly lower and 'less' dangerous height than the Anichebe 'tackle') in the same manner with a straight leg. I swear, if he'd been half a foot higher it would've been the same tackle with possibly the same effect. I'm not sure if I will be jumping onto the 'Nolan's not a dirty player' bandwagon to be honest. Bit late for Newcastle to start playing with passion, should've done that well earlier in the season.

jendo · 04-05-2009, 11:27 PM

Another possible career ending tackle from Joey Barton. Seems it might be his last for Newcastle
The Guardian

Westindieman · 04-05-2009, 11:50 PM

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Another possible career ending tackle from Joey Barton. Seems it might be his last for Newcastle
The Guardian

The sad thing is some club somewhere will employ him again. I find him a despicable character.

minniepk17 · 05-05-2009, 1:03 PM

He's a thug, pure and simple, and if he wasn't playing football he would be behind bars

*RMCF* · 05-05-2009, 5:00 PM

This thug is nothing but a scumbag who has got no manners or breeding in him. Lowest of the low.

He has been given numerous chances to change his attitude and behaviour but simply can't as he is a scumbag through and through.

'Big Sam' was stupid enough to give him his last chance, at £60,000 per week (if only us decent people could get this) and again he has thrown it back in the face of the cash strapped fans.

What would really make me happy now is if Newcastle cancelled his contract, he became unemployed and NO-ONE was stupid enough to employ him again. Let him rot - the git would be in prison inside a couple of years, and it might be the best thing for society if he did.

hoppaz · 06-05-2009, 9:36 AM

I agree that Barton is a thug and needs to be sacked but this thread on NUFC tough tackling is a bit OTT in my opinion.

If you look on the EPL website at fouls, yellow and red card stats Newcastle are way below that of other teams.

I must say that by far the worst challenge I have seen this season was Palacios on Ronaldo - that was brutal.

ed_mcl · 06-05-2009, 12:16 PM

Good point hoppaz. I can't understand why Newcastle are being singled out either, especially given the thuggish way teams like Bolton, Everton and Stoke play.

Westindieman · 06-05-2009, 1:32 PM

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I must say that by far the worst challenge I have seen this season was Palacios on Ronaldo - that was brutal.

Cant say that was the worst Ive seen as he didnt catch him. If he had though it could have been horrendous.

Decadence · 06-05-2009, 1:38 PM

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I must say that by far the worst challenge I have seen this season was Palacios on Ronaldo - that was brutal.

Guthrie breaking Craig Fagan's leg was pretty brutal too...

hoppaz · 07-05-2009, 9:03 AM

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Guthrie breaking Craig Fagan's leg was pretty brutal too...

Yup so brutal that Fagan carried on playing until the end of the match. It was a lash out of frustration but hardly what I would call brutal.

I still think Palacios was the worst challenge so far this season. You have to take the intent and although he didn't catch him fully - if he had, a two footed, knee high flying challenge at that speed would have taken Ronaldo's leg off. it would have been far worse than Taylor's on Eduardo.

I still can't see the point in having this thread? Facts state Newcastle are no where near as bad as some of the other teams in the EPL.

Rorifett · 07-05-2009, 7:37 PM

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I still can't see the point in having this thread? Facts state Newcastle are no where near as bad as some of the other teams in the EPL.

Because Newcastle's players have directly affected at least 2 other professionals from playing until the end of the season. Which other team has caused this? Your opinion, believe it or not, doesn't count as 'fact'

Also, can you link a website which shows Newcastle as having the least red cards? Everything I've read so far seems to point out that with 5 direct reds and 1 from two yellow cards they indeed have the 'worst' record?

Rorifett · 07-05-2009, 7:40 PM

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Good point hoppaz. I can't understand why Newcastle are being singled out either, especially given the thuggish way teams like Bolton, Everton and Stoke play.

Again as my previous post, which players seasons have been ended by any player from Bolton, Everton or Stoke?

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ed_mcl Ex Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Thanks: Gave 81, Got 36 Posts: 1,112	Re: NUFC - Tough Tackling Good point hoppaz. I can't understand why Newcastle are being singled out either, especially given the thuggish way teams like Bolton, Everton and Stoke play.
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