[la gran siete]

England plead for fair play from referee against Ireland - Telegraph

no doubt about it.intersting to note that Gethin Jenkins stated that it was one of the hardest matches he'd ever played.With a more even minded ref they probably would have lost.The two sin binnings in particular were a complete joke .Tindal was thrown into an offside position by a Welsh player

[Synchronicity]

At least you are consistant I suppose.

[Steven]

We are hardly talking about 3 yellow cards in a vital World Cup group stage match

Come on LGS. Complaints about a ref to deflect from a poor performance has been going on since time began and will go on ad infinitum

And you made the same post in the six nations thread were everybody has already given you the same response. Thought you said you wasn't trolling

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

We are hardly talking about 3 yellow cards in a vital World Cup group stage match

Come on LGS. Complaints about a ref to deflect from a poor performance has been going on since time began and will go on ad infinitum

And you made the same post in the six nations thread were everybody has already given you the same response. Thought you said you wasn't trolling

err ,it wasnt a poor performance

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

We are hardly talking about 3 yellow cards in a vital World Cup group stage match

Come on LGS. Complaints about a ref to deflect from a poor performance has been going on since time began and will go on ad infinitum

And you made the same post in the six nations thread were everybody has already given you the same response. Thought you said you wasn't trolling

err ,it wasnt a poor performance

I think it was something that needed to highlighted

[Steven]

Poor in the sense England got themselves unnecessary sin bins and yellow cards, but this has already been much covered. I'm not sure which part of the discussion you do not understand to have to continually go on

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

Poor in the sense England got themselves unnecessary sin bins and yellow cards, but this has already been much covered. I'm not sure which part of the discussion you do not understand to have to continually go on

the article pretty much covered what i already suspected.Yellows cards and penalties are very open to a ref's interpretation of the laws.A half an hours play and six penalties to Wales before England got one.Wales went looking for the after putting prematch pressure on the ref which is something England will have to look doing in the future.

[Steven]

Are you a new sports fan? Well of course a referee uses his discretion and has to make a judgment call at the actual moment. I'm not entirely sure what your point is. England can't go crying when they present a referee with a choice. What on earth is an international rugby player doing anyway to get sin binned? I wouldn't expect it from a second division player. Very poor. They can't play rough ugly rugby and then try to be cute when a ref cites them

[mrm3]

Agree with LGS.

He was incredibly iffy.

It was highlighted that identical infridgements committed by the Welsh were ignored. All English ones caught.

The yellows were a joke.

Even the Welsh watching it said he was their man of the match.

Things look good for England IMO. Some great talent that just need to come together. Should be excellent by the next World Cup. Great time to rebuild and get to a record 4th final.

[Synchro]

Come on, get over it. You lost. FULL STOP.

[la gran siete]

problem is they are now going o be too wary , not go for 50/50s for fear of being pinged.The second yellow card was a complete joke, outrageous in fact and cost England 11 points.Bloody ridiculous

[insomniak123]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

England plead for fair play from referee against Ireland - Telegraph

no doubt about it.intersting to note that Gethin Jenkins stated that it was one of the hardest matches he'd ever played.With a more even minded ref they probably would have lost.The two sin binnings in particular were a complete joke .Tindal was thrown into an offside position by a Welsh player

I completely agree.

This kind of response winds me right up

Complaints about a ref to deflect from a poor performance has been going on since time began and will go on ad infinitum

Yes indeed complaints about a ref will go on ad infinitum, but when they have become the boy who cried wolf. Whenever a poor ref ruins a game it is always laughed off as excuses for a poor performance. Fact remains that IF the same infringements by the Welsh team were penalised, we would've fairly been given the chance to kick the penalties for the numerous times x 3 points. Not saying we would've won the match, but it would've been a far more enjoyable contest

Borthwick even asked the ref part way through to 'do him a favour' and watch 'them coming in at the side' - this was acknowledged by the ref and then totally ignored for the next 3 or 4 rucks! Never mind offside decisions, he painted the Welsh a new wiggley offside line at every ruck
Armitage was forced to ask the ref every time there was a breakdown if he could get involved without being penalised!

It really irritates me that the big international rugby tourneys mean a lot to me; a whole lot of build up and excitement and hype and expectations - one dodgy ref and a poor game and it ruins the whole lot for another year

[huwg]

Apparantly the official IRB review ranked the quality of Kaplan's performance as "high"
BBC SPORT | Rugby Union | English | England's ref complaints rejected



There will always be controversial refereeing decisions, you just have to go with the flow. England got their yellows through constant infringement, they were warned. I will agree that Wales had a some lucky escapes, but that is just the nature of the beast, I don't believe the ref had an influence on the result.

There was the mix-up in the Italy v Wales match a few years ago. Italy were winning 23 - 20 when Wales were awarded a penalty in the dying seconds. The Welsh players asked if there was time to kick to touch and have the line-out, to which the ref replied "I have time". They kicked to touch near the Italian corner and the ref blew the final whistle
But did the Welsh team blame the ref for the loss? (yes they probably did ) but they also blamed a poor performance by the team.

[Clunk]

Originally Posted by insomniak123

one dodgy ref and a poor game and it ruins the whole lot for another year

Awww can't Wales be on their way to winning a vintage Six Nations for once?

Pleeeease?

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by huwg

Apparantly the official IRB review ranked the quality of Kaplan's performance as "high"
BBC SPORT | Rugby Union | English | England's ref complaints rejected



There will always be controversial refereeing decisions, you just have to go with the flow. England got their yellows through constant infringement, they were warned. I will agree that Wales had a some lucky escapes, but that is just the nature of the beast, I don't believe the ref had an influence on the result.

There was the mix-up in the Italy v Wales match a few years ago. Italy were winning 23 - 20 when Wales were awarded a penalty in the dying seconds. The Welsh players asked if there was time to kick to touch and have the line-out, to which the ref replied "I have time". They kicked to touch near the Italian corner and the ref blew the final whistle
But did the Welsh team blame the ref for the loss? (yes they probably did ) but they also blamed a poor performance by the team.

Soprry you are Welsh and you would say that.Fact is Kaplan came into the England changing room and warned in an over zealous way about what he wouldnt tolerate in a way that suggested someone(s) had put pressure on him.The fact that he then when on to be lenient to wales but overzealous to England suggests something wasnt right.
England didnt play badly , they played well.If it hadnt been for Goodes sinbinning when Wales accumulated 11 points,n there is no chance Wae would have won.They certainly wouldnt have scored a try for sure.

[Dony]

Look's like England have got another "iffy" ref today.

[IAN P]

Shockingly poor game,worst i've seen in a long while.

[Dony]

Originally Posted by IAN P

Shockingly poor game,worst i've seen in a long while.

Not helped by the spoiling and indiscipline of England.

Happy with the win though

[RMCF]

Onward to the Gand Slam

[la gran siete]

ref was ok here
No complaints at all.
Jonno did not look a happy man, lol

[Steven]

So LGS have you come round to the realisation that this England team are indisciplined?

[IAN P]

Originally Posted by Dony

Not helped by the spoiling and indiscipline of England.

Happy with the win though

The big man wants to boot those two idiots in the nuts.Professional players who don't know the rules,yeah you think they would wouldn't you!

And as for that clown(Care)who slammed the guy in the back,what can i say,with 15 mins to go he does that,very dumb.

Those 2 lost England the game,well that and O'Gara's inability to kick points.Wonder what was up with him,he's normally pretty solid with the boot?

[Alan_W]

Originally Posted by IAN P

Those 2 lost England the game,well that and O'Gara's inability to kick points.Wonder what was up with him,he's normally pretty solid with the boot?

I think he missed them on purpose.
He probably felt that England were being unfairly dealt with by the ref and so turned down the points out of a sense of fairplay.........I did see LGS coming out of the Irish dressing room before the game...

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

So LGS have you come round to the realisation that this England team are indisciplined?

in his match undoubtedly they were ,in the last they were victims of some outrageous refereeing which was NOT even handed.At the same time the laws need looking at again because there are far too many cards being shown for virtually nothing which unbalances a match.They should be shown for foul play, period .The card on Care for the shove, petulant as it was, was ridiculous.

[Dony]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

The card on Care for the shove, petulant as it was, was ridiculous.

I agree that that one was a bit soft, but the 2 challenges on O'Driscoll, when no attempt was made to wrap his arms around the player (first instance) and a blatant body check (second one) went unpunished.

Your tactics don't surprise me though when you look at who your coach is. It's even more satisfying / amusing watching him chew his cud when the camera picks him out. :

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Dony

I agree that that one was a bit soft, but the 2 challenges on O'Driscoll, when no attempt was made to wrap his arms around the player (first instance) and a blatant body check (second one) went unpunished.

Your tactics don't surprise me though when you look at who your coach is. It's even more satisfying / amusing watching him chew his cud when the camera picks him out. :

as i said I have no beef with this match at all.They did get away with a few things for sure and if they'd shown more composure might of nicked the match which was dull anyway.I am far more interested in the WC anyway and merely see this championship a a stepping stone

[ste v p]

Originally Posted by Dony

I agree that that one was a bit soft, but the 2 challenges on O'Driscoll, when no attempt was made to wrap his arms around the player (first instance) and a blatant body check (second one) went unpunished.

Flutey could not avoid that collision as he was fully committed. He pulled out of making a full tackle because the ball had already gone. How bad would it have looked if he had wrapped his arms around even though the ball had gone? There was a collision of heads...but it is a contact sport and these things happen.

The Armitage collision was a 50:50 decision. I don't think there was much he could do to avoid that collision either but it was later than the first one. I've seen similar decisions go either way in the past. I also thought O'Driscoll made rather a meal of it.

Vickery deserved to be binned. Was he deaf or just stupid? At his level of experience he should know better.

Care was IMO harshly treated. Not sure if Johnson was fuming at Care for the counter-ruck or the ref for the yellow card. Care should have bound to Horan but other than that he was just trying to counter ruck and disrupt the opposition 9. There is nothing illegal about that (though as I said, he should have bound).