[mason]

So after the charity match yesterday it was Mr Beckham that announced the resignation of the LA's manager.... unusual to say the least.. its usually a club spokesman or the chairman etc that make these announcments.

Now with the manager gone, there is talk of Beckham maybe coming back to the premiership on a loan deal.... but who would he go to if he did? would you like to see him at your club?

[Steven]

What Titanic herself couldn't traverse, bleedin' David Beckham manages to do. Won't he please go away?

P.S. Not meant personally against any forum member... unless Beckham is secretly one

[Dony]

As an experienced (and talented) player, I'd like to see him come to Spurs on loan. Sadly though, the media hype he brings with him would only put us under even more media pressure and we have enough problems at the moment.

[geomuss]

could this be coincidental or is this davids' first step onto the management ladder!

[maix27]

Please god no!

He's a great player but i don't think he's clever or charasmatic enough to be a manager.

Also, we'd have to hear him talk more often in that stupid, winey voice!

No, no, no...

[mason]

Originally Posted by geomuss

could this be coincidental or is this davids' first step onto the management ladder!

well thats what i thought seeing as it was him that made the announcement- or did he take it upon himself to announce it hoping that the club wouldnt be too happy with him for over stepping the mark and force himself out on loan?

i thhink that he would be a great asset to any premiership club just now- but like folk have already said, would it be worth all the media hype? it certainly would be worth all the additional revenue that he would bring!!

[Gliese 581c]

Love him or loathe him the man's a genius in my eyes. If he comes back to the prem on loan that would be great for the league. I hope he comes to Spurs

If he does eventually go into management I have no doubt he will do a good job, If Sammy Lee and Gareth Southgate can manage then so can Beckham. He's worked with AF for years and would have learnt from him. Played for some of the biggest clubs in the world. Has so many contacts now and I have never heard any professional colleague say a bad word about him. Beckham managing would be interesting to say the least.

[mason]

Originally Posted by aRCaM

If Sammy Lee and Gareth Southgate can manage .

is that what they are doing there!!! not good examples but point taken

i dont think he has what it takes to be a manager.... he lacks that something, i dont think he would be hard enough. he will have all the knowledge but i dont think he could deliver it effectively enough- it would be an interesting one if thats what step he was going to take next or interesting when/if he does in years to come

[Abbeygoo]

If Beckham returns to the Premiership will he fancy a return to Manchester? A return to playing under Sven? And we are in need of a right sided midfielder ....

[mason]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

If Beckham returns to the Premiership will he fancy a return to Manchester? A return to playing under Sven? And we are in need of a right sided midfielder ....

now that would be good- imagine the look on fergies face wtching him run riot for the other side of the city!!!!

[overkill]

No thanks. His best days are behind him, and, let's be honest here, he went to the US to have an easy coast to retirement. He knows, and all credit to him for it, that he isn't up for top flight football in Europe anymore.

I realise of course that this is heresy, but hey, the truth normally is.............

[stevedster]

To be honest his move to MLS while easier on the pitch (MLS is roughly the same level as upper Championship clubs in England) and on his wallet, it was actually a brave move on his part pressure wise, there is so much expectation on him now over there its unreal. Far more than for example if he moved to a smaller Premier League club, which at 32 I believe he could have still had a good few years at, to say he isnt good enough for top flight football in Europe all of a sudden is incorrect. He has been let off this season due to injury, however everyone will expect LA Galaxy to win the title next year, and Im not so sure it will be all that easy for them and him.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by stevedster

To be honest his move to MLS while easier on the pitch (MLS is roughly the same level as upper Championship clubs in England) and on his wallet, it was actually a brave move on his part pressure wise, there is so much expectation on him now over there its unreal. Far more than for example if he moved to a smaller Premier League club, which at 32 I believe he could have still had a good few years at, to say he isnt good enough for top flight football in Europe all of a sudden is incorrect. He has been let off this season due to injury, however everyone will expect LA Galaxy to win the title next year, and Im not so sure it will be all that easy for them and him.

Few facts here, the MLS is not at the standard of our top championship sides. I know quite a few US football fans, and they would never agree with that statement. As one of them works for the US 'soccer' leauges as a promoter, you'd think he of all people would be keen to give them that sort of sell, but even he wouldn't go that far.

Second, a brave mover? How so? If he is as good as the 'I love sky and they say he's still good so he must be' brigade make out, then why not go to a lower premiership club, Portugal, or even a middle ranking Serie A side in Italy? The wages would still be huge, the pressure enormous. Going to the US was a WAG inspired move, to escape European taxes, to promote US football over here (more of that elsewhere), and to take the pressure off, not apply more! Gordon Bennett!

No-one said 'all of a sudden'. He didn't shine in Spain until it was obvious he was leaving, then with both he and the manager desperate to bow out with some success he had an 'Indian summer'. He hasn't been able to cut it in top echelon for some time.

Ah, yes, injuries. The modern players excuse for staying on the bench when things aren't going right on the field, or, when they reach his age, proof that they just aren't up for it anymore, or, that they haven't got anything left in the tank.

Tbh it makes me laugh, the amount of people that slated Beckham, that are now trying to turn him into some sort of footballing saint............ *jesus wept*

[mason]

[QUOTE=overkill;5790047]Few facts here, the MLS is not at the standard of our top championship sides. I know quite a few US football fans, and they would never agree with that statement. As one of them works for the US 'soccer' leauges as a promoter, you'd think he of all people would be keen to give them that sort of sell, but even he wouldn't go that far.



Second, a brave mover? How so? If he is as good as the 'I love sky and they say he's still good so he must be' brigade make out, then why not go to a lower premiership club, Portugal, or even a middle ranking Serie A side in Italy? The wages would still be huge, the pressure enormous. Going to the US was a WAG inspired move, to escape European taxes, to promote US football over here (more of that elsewhere), and to take the pressure off, not apply more! Gordon Bennett! ]




I wouldnt say it was quite fact just because a few people have said so...


definatley a brave move... moving his family across to a different continent, further away from their families than they have ever been. granted i dont think that it was down to him that he moved there- definately the work of his WAG....... and im sure the obscene amounts of money he is reported to be earning over there played a huge part.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by mason

I wouldnt say it was quite fact just because a few people have said so...


definatley a brave move... moving his family across to a different continent, further away from their families than they have ever been. granted i dont think that it was down to him that he moved there- definately the work of his WAG....... and im sure the obscene amounts of money he is reported to be earning over there played a huge part.

Even if those few know just a 'teeny' bit more than those who swallow the BS we are fed by Sky - in particular in an age when the US interests are pushing for us to think that?

These are not a 'few' people either. I have yet to talk to a serious US soccer fan who is deluded enough to make a statement comparing the US leauges with even our championship.

Brave is when you leave with no certainty of ever being able to come back, with an uncertain future, and with everything to play for. Beckham, with his playboy lifestyle, the ability to jet home whenever he wants, to stay of course in one of his many English properties, was hardly that.

[thfccambs]

I would love to see Beckham come to us in a coaching position as he has so much to offer,would love to see him working with some of the youngsters at Tottenham.
Hopefully teach young Lennon a few things also.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by hunts1uk

I would love to see Beckham come to us in a coaching position as he has so much to offer,would love to see him working with some of the youngsters at Tottenham.
Hopefully teach young Lennon a few things also.

Ah, now there I can agree. He seems to work well with young people, he's worked with two of Europe's top coaches, and as such he could give back a lot to the game in a coaching role. Wouldn't mind him doing that with our lot tbh. In particular as Brady might be filched by the Republic..............

[thfccambs]

Originally Posted by overkill

Ah, now there I can agree. He seems to work well with young people, he's worked with two of Europe's top coaches, and as such he could give back a lot to the game in a coaching role. Wouldn't mind him doing that with our lot tbh. In particular as Brady might be filched by the Republic..............

Don't think anyone can deny he hasn't been there and done it, whether right or wrong.He could bring so much to any club.
Think he would love to work at any club with youngster as well.Always like Beckham myself.

[mason]

Originally Posted by overkill

. Beckham, with his playboy lifestyle, the ability to jet home whenever he wants, to stay of course in one of his many English properties, was hardly that.

whats a life to have eh!!

i agree that a coaching role would be something, i think, he would be good at. again to echo what i said earlier, i dont think he has the manager 'edge' to him

[stevedster]

Originally Posted by overkill

Few facts here, the MLS is not at the standard of our top championship sides. I know quite a few US football fans, and they would never agree with that statement. As one of them works for the US 'soccer' leauges as a promoter, you'd think he of all people would be keen to give them that sort of sell, but even he wouldn't go that far.

Second, a brave mover? How so? If he is as good as the 'I love sky and they say he's still good so he must be' brigade make out, then why not go to a lower premiership club, Portugal, or even a middle ranking Serie A side in Italy? The wages would still be huge, the pressure enormous. Going to the US was a WAG inspired move, to escape European taxes, to promote US football over here (more of that elsewhere), and to take the pressure off, not apply more! Gordon Bennett!

No-one said 'all of a sudden'. He didn't shine in Spain until it was obvious he was leaving, then with both he and the manager desperate to bow out with some success he had an 'Indian summer'. He hasn't been able to cut it in top echelon for some time.

Ah, yes, injuries. The modern players excuse for staying on the bench when things aren't going right on the field, or, when they reach his age, proof that they just aren't up for it anymore, or, that they haven't got anything left in the tank.

Tbh it makes me laugh, the amount of people that slated Beckham, that are now trying to turn him into some sort of footballing saint............ *jesus wept*

Well I do know some MLS fans and some that have previously lived in England too. And I trust their opinion that MLS is roughly the same level as the Championship. And looking through the players that play in MLS I agree with what they say.

And you are quite wrong pressure wise, he has FAR more to live up to in the U.S than he would if he moved for example to Bolton or Fulham etc. Surely you can see that? As for you comments about him going there to promote U.S football over here? I am sure you mean to promote MLS in the states, not here, a very hard task indeed.

And to slate him for being injured? Im sorry but your being a little harsh here, at the same time as not apparently knowing much about MLS in its current state.

As a quick example, some of the top players in MLS this year. Are you saying they are not good enough for the championship in England? In fact come back to me with the top 5 Chamionship players, you will struggle to find 5 as good. BTW I am English and have watched a lot of lower league football as I support Tranmere. I just know my world football very very well.

David Beckham, LA Galaxy,
Cuauhtemoc Blanco, Chicago Fire,
Juan Pablo Angel, New York Red Bulls,
Landon Donovan, LA Galaxy,
Claudio Reyna, New York Red Bulls,


Im not saying MLS is the best league in the world, far from it, Im just saying there really is not much difference between your average MLS team and your average CC Championship team.

[neilios]

Lol beckham under pressure, i don't think so ,i know a few pro's and there definatly not under pressure .

The trouble with beckham is not the lad himself it's all the garbage that comes with him ,especially his missus ,thats why fergie got rid,he probably does have alot to offer ,but why he cannot conduct his business with a little bit less showbiz and more substance is what makes people not take him seriously.

As for the standard of footie in the states i have mates who go over there for added experience in there coaching experience and the standard is not that good.
All imho of course.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by stevedster

Well I do know some MLS fans and some that have previously lived in England too. And I trust their opinion that MLS is roughly the same level as the Championship. And looking through the players that play in MLS I agree with what they say.

And you are quite wrong pressure wise, he has FAR more to live up to in the U.S than he would if he moved for example to Bolton or Fulham etc. Surely you can see that? As for you comments about him going there to promote U.S football over here? I am sure you mean to promote MLS in the states, not here, a very hard task indeed.

And to slate him for being injured? Im sorry but your being a little harsh here, at the same time as not apparently knowing much about MLS in its current state.

Whatever. I would rather trust peoples views who work in the game, follow World football through their work, and know US football inside out thanks. You can stick with 'my mates views'. I'm sure they know much more than the people who supply US soccer with it's kit's, medals, and have links with the US FA.

I am quite wrong? If you say so. Far more to live up to how? He has gone to the US for his swansong, something he would never be able to do in the English PL. The US fans are demanding, but so are English fans, and the game has far less meaning than in Europe. Talking of 'not seeing' there was a protest at LA about Beckhams inability to string more than two appearances together. Did you see how little effect that had. Whereas, when he was at Madrid, and he wasn't playing he admitted that it was really getting to him. As for less pressure at smaller PL clubs, are you for real?! What's going to give out more grief, the English press and the fans at one of the middle ranking clubs or LA Galaxy's fans and a US sports media who couldn't give a toss? Well, try asking some of the foreign players who admit they find it hard to cope with at those 'small' PL clubs. Bear in mind as well, that even the top MLS clubs would struggle to beat the average attendance of even the PL's minnows.

No I mean to promote the MSL here. Or haven't you noticed what's been going on recently? You know, the dedicated Beckham/US soccer proggys, the US investors trying to drive the US soccers profile up?

Being a little harsh? Beckham by his own admission said he played very few games in first season due to Injury. If that's not enough of an indictment then what the hell is?

Please, keep the schoolboy insults to your yourself.

In particular as your opinions are riddled with Skyisms, not facts.

[stevedster]

Originally Posted by overkill

Whatever. I would rather trust peoples views who work in the game, follow World football through their work, and know US football inside out thanks. You can stick with 'my mates views'. I'm sure they know much more than the people who supply US soccer with it's kit's, medals, and have links with the US FA.

I am quite wrong? If you say so. Far more to live up to how? He has gone to the US for his swansong, something he would never be able to do in the English PL. The US fans are demanding, but so are English fans, and the game has far less meaning than in Europe. Talking of 'not seeing' there was a protest at LA about Beckhams inability to string more than two appearances together. Did you see how little effect that had. Whereas, when he was at Madrid, and he wasn't playing he admitted that it was really getting to him. As for less pressure at smaller PL clubs, are you for real?! What's going to give out more grief, the English press and the fans at one of the middle ranking clubs or LA Galaxy's fans and a US sports media who couldn't give a toss? Well, try asking some of the foreign players who admit they find it hard to cope with at those 'small' PL clubs. Bear in mind as well, that even the top MLS clubs would struggle to beat the average attendance of even the PL's minnows.

No I mean to promote the MSL here. Or haven't you noticed what's been going on recently? You know, the dedicated Beckham/US soccer proggys, the US investors trying to drive the US soccers profile up?

Being a little harsh? Beckham by his own admission said he played very few games in first season due to Injury. If that's not enough of an indictment then what the hell is?

Please, keep the schoolboy insults to your yourself.

In particular as your opinions are riddled with Skyisms, not facts.

Schoolboy insults? We just happen to have a difference of opinion.

MLS is only getting on the news etc here because of Beckham, and thats down to the British media. His main promotional reason for being there is to promote the MLS in the country it is in. There is little to no point in 'promoting' the MLS here as we already have the most financially successful league in the world.

As for more to live up to, while in England the footballing public and press know Beckham and his limitations etc, people in the states as a general rule do not. He has been hyped to death out there, the media in America are just waiting to pounce on him failing.

PS. I dont even have Sky.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by stevedster

Schoolboy insults? We just happen to have a difference of opinion.

MLS is only getting on the news etc here because of Beckham, and thats down to the British media. His main promotional reason for being there is to promote the MLS in the country it is in. There is little to no point in 'promoting' the MLS here as we already have the most financially successful league in the world.

As for more to live up to, while in England the footballing public and press know Beckham and his limitations etc, people in the states as a general rule do not. He has been hyped to death out there, the media in America are just waiting to pounce on him failing.

PS. I dont even have Sky.

1) That, as was stated at the time, was the primary reason for buying him. Oh, and to shore up LA's falling average (24,000 in 2005, down to 20,000 in 2006, and until Beckhams arrival set to fall again). It would give the US investors in the UK a 'profile' link on the other side of the pond to boost their US interests over here.

2) Any footballer, in particular one as famous as Beckham has to 'live up' to the fans and medias expectations. As the fuss surrounding a certain other famous ex-England player showed - even when he was involved in the lower leauge's. The US press build people up sky high and wait for them to fall?! My, my, that sounds familiar........

Oh, and differences of opinion are not comprised of telling someone they don't know what they are talking about. That's called 'trading insults'.

[stevedster]

Originally Posted by overkill

1) That, as was stated at the time, was the primary reason for buying him. Oh, and to shore up LA's falling average (24,000 in 2005, down to 20,000 in 2006, and until Beckhams arrival set to fall again). It would give the US investors in the UK a 'profile' link on the other side of the pond to boost their US interests over here.

2) Any footballer, in particular one as famous as Beckham has to 'live up' to the fans and medias expectations. As the fuss surrounding a certain other famous ex-England player showed - even when he was involved in the lower leauge's. The US press build people up sky high and wait for them to fall?! My, my, that sounds familiar........

Oh, and differences of opinion are not comprised of telling someone they don't know what they are talking about. That's called 'trading insults'.

Well lets leave it at that eh, I think your wrong, you think I'm wrong. Looks like Ruud Gullit is about to agree with me tho, that there is a rising standard in MLS at the moment both on the pitch and off it (expansion, sss, more money). Not saying its going to match the 'big 3' leagues in Europe, but I have already stated what level it is at IMO of course.

ps. you said about as much to me, we are not trading insults at all, I only came back at your post in the same way you came back at mine, a difference of opinion.

[Abbeygoo]

Now, now, gentlemen shall we forget all about this trading of insults and concentrate on exactly when David Beckham will fulfill his lifelong dream and pull on the Blue shirt of the true Manchester heroes

[stevedster]

lol Abbeygoo.

See that your boys are doing well in the prem this year, you must be well chuffed.

Wonder if the rumors will turn out to be true about riquelme being a Jan transfer target for you?

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by stevedster

lol Abbeygoo.

See that your boys are doing well in the prem this year, you must be well chuffed.

Wonder if the rumors will turn out to be true about riquelme being a Jan transfer target for you?

I think everyone will be linked with us over the coming weeks before the transfer window. Riquelme? Wow, if only ......

I think Anelka is a realistic target for us .... and I really do have a sneaking suspicion for Beckham .... don't know why but I think the Premiership + Sven + Manchester makes an appealing prospect for him for a few months whilst the US season is not on.

[stevedster]

Riquelme is a serious possibility mate. He is out of favor at Villarreal, they have already tried to sell him once or twice. He is in good form for Argentina too, well worth a look in, you could get him for around £5-8 million too.

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by stevedster

Riquelme is a serious possibility mate. He is out of favor at Villarreal, they have already tried to sell him once or twice. He is in good form for Argentina too, well worth a look in, you could get him for around £5-8 million too.

Didn't know he was out of favour at Villareal but did see him score two quality free kicks for Argentina in their WC qualifier recently. I have faith in Sven to pick the right players, he has done a belting job so far. When a manager signs that many players you expect teething problems but most of them have played every game and have knitted together very well.