sven

*dazzafact* · 21-05-2007, 10:26 PM

I like Sven Goran Eriksson.

Soz.

Dave26 · 21-05-2007, 10:28 PM

Guess your watching Inside Sport?

*dazzafact* · 21-05-2007, 10:30 PM

Yeah, but I've had deep desire to tell everyone that anyway. I certainly don't think he deserved to get sacked or treated by the press like he did.

Dave26 · 21-05-2007, 10:32 PM

Yeah definitely didn't deserve to be treated like that, comes across really well don't you think? Can't see things getting much better anytime soon for England

**Dave** · 21-05-2007, 10:36 PM

One things for certain, the England team were far more inspiring under Sven than McLaren.

Another case of the tabloids going after someone to sell papers I'm afraid.

*dazzafact* · 21-05-2007, 10:37 PM

well he always did. I find it quite annoying that they have the press on afterwards though telling everyone what we all obviously thought about the man

wogsy · 22-05-2007, 3:35 AM

Sven was a total f**kwit who took one of the most promising teams in the world and made us play like a pub team..
That is why he got sacked.! Blaming the media is a total cop-out.

Were do I start.
Reason 1. He totally picked the wrong squad to take to the world cup.
He takes a clearly un-fit Rooney and a 17 year old boy (Wallcott) who had never played for his club, never mind his country.
From the start he had absoutely no intention of playing him whatsoever..
He takes too many midfielders and not enough strikers. Andy Johnson would have been good cover as when Owen got injured, we had noone left to score.. He leaves players who had earnt the right to be there at home..
He didnt even have the balls to give Theo wallcott a runout during the portugal game when we desprately needed a goal.. (Er, why bring him then sven)

Reason 2. He was so far up David Bechams arse, that his nose was brown..
Beckham hadnt had a decent game for England in two years yet he never once dropped him for the much more productive Aarron Lennon.. (A lot of players have since complained that Beckham had far too much of an influence on the team and everyone elses opinion clearly didnt matter) Not good for team spirit if you ask me..

Reason 3.. The WAGS.. He let the players girlfriends run riot in germany.. The stupid peroxide headed wags were playing a stupid game of competing with each other for headlines, which was clearly a distraction for the team. By all means let their girlfriends visit for a day or two, but letting them have full access to the team during the whole tournament was clearly a mistake..

I could go on more about some of his player choices and negative style of play but I think Ive made my opinion clear.

If he was that good a manager then why wont no other football club touch him with a barge pole..
Sven fancies himself as a bit of a celebrity first and a manager second.. He is a total tosspot..

(Rant over

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*dazzafact* · 22-05-2007, 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wogsy

Sven was a total f**kwit who took one of the most promising teams in the world and made us play like a pub team..
That is why he got sacked.! Blaming the media is a total cop-out.

Were do I start.
Reason 1. He totally picked the wrong squad to take to the world cup.
He takes a clearly un-fit Rooney and a 17 year old boy (Wallcott) who had never played for his club, never mind his country.
From the start he had absoutely no intention of playing him whatsoever..
He takes too many midfielders and not enough strikers. Andy Johnson would have been good cover as when Owen got injured, we had noone left to score.. He leaves players who had earnt the right to be there at home..
He didnt even have the balls to give Theo wallcott a runout during the portugal game when we desprately needed a goal.. (Er, why bring him then sven)

Reason 2. He was so far up David Bechams arse, that his nose was brown..
Beckham hadnt had a decent game for England in two years yet he never once dropped him for the much more productive Aarron Lennon.. (A lot of players have since complained that Beckham had far too much of an influence on the team and everyone elses opinion clearly didnt matter) Not good for team spirit if you ask me..

Reason 3.. The WAGS.. He let the players girlfriends run riot in germany.. The stupid peroxide headed wags were playing a stupid game of competing with each other for headlines, which was clearly a distraction for the team. By all means let their girlfriends visit for a day or two, but letting them have full access to the team during the whole tournament was clearly a mistake..

I could go on more about some of his player choices and negative style of play but I think Ive made my opinion clear.

If he was that good a manager then why wont no other football club touch him with a barge pole..
Sven fancies himself as a bit of a celebrity first and a manager second.. He is a total tosspot..

(Rant over

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None of your points are anything but media guff I'm afraid.

First point. Apub team that lost 5 competative matches, 2 of which were on penalties, is quite clearly a very good pub team.

Second point is arguable. But I firmly believe that if he hadn't taken Theo Walcott, you would be complaining that he left a fantastic player who would've won us the world cup.

Third point. David Beckam is still the best right sided midfielder we have. On your theory, Michael Owen, Gerrard and Lampard, Rooney and Cashley Cole should not play for England evr again.

And your reason 3 is just completely absurd. Do you actually think that this did anything other than sell newspapers to people like you who would believe such dribble?

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If he was that good a manager then why wont no other football club touch him with a barge pole..
Sven fancies himself as a bit of a celebrity first and a manager second.. He is a total tosspot..

I'm not even going to begin to explain the things wrong with this.

**Dave** · 22-05-2007, 8:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dazzafact

None of your points are anything but media guff I'm afraid.

Have to agree, it looks like points quoted straight from the Mirror.

The simplr fact remains that under Sven, the England team were a hell of a lot better than they are now.

Sonic67 · 22-05-2007, 9:13 AM

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The simplr fact remains that under Sven, the England team were a hell of a lot better than they are now.

I think that's more about Steve McLaren being very bad as an England manager than Sven being good.

**Dave** · 22-05-2007, 9:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonic67

I think that's more about Steve McLaren being very bad as an England manager than Sven being good.

You may be right.

*dazzafact* · 22-05-2007, 9:25 AM

It's beyond me why people feel that we had a god given right to lift the world cup. And that it was all Svens fault that we never. For a team that has no true right midfielder a questionable left sided midfielder, no cover for any other position other than central midfield and a desire to still place Owen on a pedestal, we still believe we're great.

I think people need to realise that it is the medias fault that we will never get another good manager in charge of England. And it is you buying these cr@p papers filled with stupid stories about managers/players/players wives that means this will continue for a very long time.

Spread the Sven love.

zmoosa1 · 22-05-2007, 9:45 AM

IMO the true England fan wants their national manager to show more passion towards the team, this is where I believe Sven fell down. His lack of touchline management gave the impression that he didn't have a clue what he needed to do. To blame the media COMPLETELY is not right as Sven made a rod for his own back both on and off the pitch and this is what was ultimately his downfall. Not sure national management is for him, I feel he's better suited to club management.

JohnG · 22-05-2007, 9:47 AM

Sven talks the talk but can't provide the goods in my view. He was always unwilling to admit there was a problem, even after losing with a pathetic performance to Northern Ireland. He should have seen that HIS tactics were not working and changed things around.
How do you think he's managed to pull all the fit totty in his life ? Don't be fooled by his charms

*dazzafact* · 22-05-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zmoosa1

IMO the true England fan wants their national manager to show more passion towards the team, this is where I believe Sven fell down.

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Originally Posted by JohnG

. He was always unwilling to admit there was a problem, even after losing with a pathetic performance to Northern Ireland. He should have seen that HIS tactics were not working and changed things around.
How do you think he's managed to pull all the fit totty in his life ? Don't be fooled by his charms

I agree with these points totally. But what manager doesn't make mistakes, and never admit to them. And how could he with the power of the press? To sack a manager because he shows no emotion is very strange though. To employ a manager who then immediately sucks up to the press is equally as strange.

JohnG · 22-05-2007, 10:28 AM

The problem is that we now have "Son Of Sven" in charge

la gran siete · 22-05-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave W

One things for certain, the England team were far more inspiring under Sven than McLaren.

Another case of the tabloids going after someone to sell papers I'm afraid.

Ssshhh! Dont tell OK that

la gran siete · 22-05-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dazzafact

I agree with these points totally. But what manager doesn't make mistakes, and never admit to them. And how could he with the power of the press? To sack a manager because he shows no emotion is very strange though. To employ a manager who then immediately sucks up to the press is equally as strange.

i think he was sacked because he made the FA look like a bunch of numpties which isnt difficult

**Dave** · 22-05-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by la gran siete

Ssshhh! Dont tell OK that

overkill · 22-05-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnG

The problem is that we now have "Son Of Sven" in charge

Exactly.

On the programme in question, the one thing Sven has always been good at, in particular during his time in Italy, is self promotion, and dodging the blame.

As England manager, despite having a good squad we made zero progress under him. Hell, had it not been for a free-kick that wasn't we wouldn't even have qualified in 2002. How would that have looked?

As it was, from a series of easy groups, he still managed to pull some desperate performances out of the hat, and some pretty shocking defeats (hello NI). In the final tournaments, once faced with opponents of any worth he looked bereft of ideas, and his tactical nous (as it looked in Italy) was skin deep.

Basically he was an over-paid, over-sexed bore.

As someone said, it's all very well looking back fondly because we have 'Sven junior' in charge now, but the man himself was no great shakes. Good riddance frankly.

If only the FA had the **** to employ someone who can get results.

And no, England don't have a 'God given right' to win things, but then neither has anyone else. Just ask Brazil. It took them 24 years to get their act back together. But they did.

overkill · 22-05-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by la gran siete

Ssshhh! Dont tell OK that

Too late!

England were more inspiring under Sven!? We are talking 'rose tinted glasses' here. They were equally dire.

Orson · 22-05-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnG

How do you think he's managed to pull all the fit totty in his life ?

Dear me John, you thinking of Nancy & Ulrika? You're not painting a very pretty picture of the Mansfield lasses

Mind you, I work there, so good point !

JohnG · 22-05-2007, 12:36 PM

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Dear me John, you thinking of Nancy & Ulrika? You're not painting a very pretty picture of the Mansfield lasses

Mind you, I work there, so good point !

I rest my case

wogsy · 22-05-2007, 1:39 PM

This guy was paid (and is STILL being paid) 13 grand A DAY by the FA.!

Do any of you Sven fans seriously think that we got our moneys worth..??? (Please, I would love an answer to that question)

I know the FA was stupid to pay him that much but if your the best paid football manager in the world, then I think the public have a right to expect more then a crappy quarter final place.. (actually, going out in the quarters dont bother me, its the way we went out that bothers me)

Phillip Scholari (Portugal coach) even said during the world cup that he would be embarrased to earn that much money while the average footie fan is struggling and getting into debt to support their team..

I agree with the guy (overkill) who said that we made zero progress under Sven.. If he was that good surely we would have done better in the 3 major tournaments we entered..

Face it buddy. Sven was a crap manager for England..
You can blame the tabloids all you want, but you cant argue with the fact that he entered a european championship and 2 world cups and done absouletly sod all.. (Due to his negative tactics, bad player choices, his total failure to inspire the team and also not being able to keep his dick in his pants)
He had more then his fair share of chances and it was time for him to go..

Blaming the media is frankly absurd.. He brought most of the press attention on himself anyway. Proof in point,
(Shagging Faria allem and Ulrika Johnson, having secret talks with chelsea when he still has 3 years left on his England contract

, blabbing dressing room secrets and what players have said to a fake sheik just to line his own pockets etc.)

Haha, I could go on and on with the PR blunders that Sven made but Im rambling now. Sven dug his own hole and blaming the media is laughable..
Since when did the Mirror or the Sun pick the England team anyway.?

You like Sven and Im fine with that. That is your opinion and I enjoy reading it.
I dont like Sven at all, and that is MY opinion. (Im just glad im in the majority

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*dazzafact* · 22-05-2007, 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wogsy

Since when did the Mirror or the Sun pick the England team.?

Hehehehe that's actually quite funny. You could also add "Since when did the Mirror or the sun dictate goverment policies"

My point is that the press intrusion into his private life continuosly for 4 yrs would surely have an effect on his management. It is exactly for that reason we have got McClaren now.

And as for 3 quarter finals in 6 years, going out on pens to Portugal in 2 and Brazil by a fluke goal, isn't really Sven's fault. As every top manager in the world will say you need a bit of luck for success. And as I've already stated, a team with a little more depth than what we have had available.

DJT75 · 22-05-2007, 2:04 PM

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Second point is arguable. But I firmly believe that if he hadn't taken Theo Walcott, you would be complaining that he left a fantastic player who would've won us the world cup.

I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to bring up a complaint like that. Johnson, Defoe whoever.....but not Walcott.

I agree mostly with Overkill here - good riddance to bad management, but unfortuntely the FA have slapped another one upon us for the foreseeable future.

Maybe we need to not qualify for Euro 2008, at least we might still have a few years left in getting the best out of some of our top players under a decent manager, if things stay the same McClaren will come & go just as this current splattering of decent players do also.

England don't have a god given right to win anything, but it's not difficult to recognise that we do have the individuals available. Give the same players to Fergie, Wenger, Jose or Rafa & tell me we can't win a major tournament.

*dazzafact* · 22-05-2007, 2:38 PM

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I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to bring up a complaint like that. Johnson, Defoe whoever.....but not Walcott.

I was merely pointing out that whatever happened something would've been blamed. It just so happened that Sven fitted the bill. And I think he was fully aware of the repercusssions of not bringing the world cup back.

I think that most managers would struggle to win trophies with the sides we went into these competions with. Our biggest chance was 2002, and felt we were very unlucky. We are now, imho, very flat and predictable with no depth to our squad. We pick the team around the big players we have which again imo is flawed. I think people believe that as we have 5 world class players, the other 6 will fit in somehow, and bish bosh!! It just so happens that 4 of our world classers' play in the centre of midfield. I think 3 of them should be dropped. Which brings me back to the media thing. If an england manager played Downing, J Cole Hargreaves Lennon in midfield, what would the press reaction be?

I thought I'd get at least 1 person that even remotely agreed with me.

I'll get my coat.

DJT75 · 22-05-2007, 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dazzafact

I think that most managers would struggle to win trophies with the sides we went into these competions with. Our biggest chance was 2002, and felt we were very unlucky. We are now, imho, very flat and predictable with no depth to our squad. We pick the team around the big players we have which again imo is flawed. I think people believe that as we have 5 world class players, the other 6 will fit in somehow, and bish bosh!! It just so happens that 4 of our world classers' play in the centre of midfield. I think 3 of them should be dropped. Which brings me back to the media thing. If an england manager played Downing, J Cole Hargreaves Lennon in midfield, what would the press reaction be?

Who? The manager.

Like I say, let someone with a footballing brain who knows how to get the best out of what he has & get through a tournament, then we might see results.

England have at least 3 fullbacks capable of playing in any international team, at least 5 centrebacks, possibly 4 central midfielders, a couple of wide players (with another few good enough for call ups), a couple of forwards. We now even have a keeper choice again.

Give Arsene Wenger: G.Neville, A.Cole, W.Bridge, R.Ferdinand, J.Woodgate, J.Carragher, J.Terry, L.King, S.Gerrard, F.Lampard, J.Cole, O.Hargreaves, M.Carrick, A.Lennon, S.WrightPhilips, W.Rooney, M.Owen, J.Defoe, B.Foster etc etc.....& watch him win the world cup. Give Steve Coppell those players & watch him build a team around them & do a far better job.

*dazzafact* · 22-05-2007, 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJT75

Who? The manager. -Yes

Give Arsene Wenger: G.Neville, A.Cole, W.Bridge, R.Ferdinand, J.Woodgate, J.Carragher, J.Terry, L.King, S.Gerrard, F.Lampard, J.Cole, O.Hargreaves, M.Carrick, A.Lennon, S.WrightPhilips, W.Rooney, M.Owen, J.Defoe, B.Foster etc etc.....& watch him win the world cup. Give Steve Coppell those players & watch him build a team around them & do a far better job.

Ok, since you put it like that.