[Steven]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6452013.stm

imo thank God its only an idea. I think that would be too radical. Yes we can get boring 0-0 draws, but we can also get exciting draws like the 3-3 Chel$ki vs Spurs match last week that was infinitely better than many a routine win

I won't go into the reasons behind this, because I don't want to set certain members on another anti-Premiership rant-a-thon

[DJT75]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6452013.stm

imo thank God its only an idea. I think that would be too radical. Yes we can get boring 0-0 draws, but we can also get exciting draws like the 3-3 Chel$ki vs Spurs match last week that was infinitely better than many a routine win

I won't go into the reasons behind this, because I don't want to set certain members on another anti-Premiership rant-a-thon

It'll never happen - it would have to come in Worldwide

[overkill]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6452013.stm

imo thank God its only an idea. I think that would be too radical. Yes we can get boring 0-0 draws, but we can also get exciting draws like the 3-3 Chel$ki vs Spurs match last week that was infinitely better than many a routine win

I won't go into the reasons behind this, because I don't want to set certain members on another anti-Premiership rant-a-thon

Agreed. Another crap idea designed to create 'interest' in the lower divisions. Why can't they just leave well alone.................. In particular as winning on penalties is even being considered by FIFA as in the frame for being scrapped! Doh!

LFC, surely you don't mean moi?

Mind you, I'm not sure why you would really as that's a pretty tenuous link?

[johnscarlet]

Originally Posted by DJT75

It'll never happen - it would have to come in Worldwide

Don't think so , 3 points for a win only started in the early 80's due to Jimmy of the chin Hill , FIFA didn't use it 'til much later ( can't remember the date , heard it on 5Live ) .

I could see it working if only 1 point was awarded for the "win" , that way both teams would play to the death for 90 mins . A full strength side would be penalised for not going after 10 men , and 10 men could be rewarded for putting up a stiff resistance against the full strength side .

But it won't happen

John

[overkill]

Originally Posted by johnscarlet

Don't think so , 3 points for a win only started in the early 80's due to Jimmy of the chin Hill , FIFA didn't use it 'til much later ( can't remember the date , heard it on 5Live ) .

I could see it working if only 1 point was awarded for the "win" , that way both teams would play to the death for 90 mins . A full strength side would be penalised for not going after 10 men , and 10 men could be rewarded for putting up a stiff resistance against the full strength side .

But it won't happen

John

Trouble is it wouldn't do that. Not one change introduced by FIFA, UEFA or the FA with regards trying to 'improve' the game as a 'spectacle' has had the desired effect, not since the 60's. Each time they change the rules the clubs and players just find a way to turn it so they play less, not better football. All the clubs would do is defend like mad or play 'cat and mouse' for 90 minutes and rely on the shoot-out. Just as they do in the later stages of the World Cup.

It makes me laugh that the FL chairmen as so thick they can't see that. If this went through it would be a nail in the coffin of football....and I ain't exaggerating.

[Steven]

I'm sorry, there's still space on the coffin for more nails?

[overkill]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

I'm sorry, there's still space on the coffin for more nails?

After reading WSC and some of the football forums, it's hard to find long term fans who think there is. The consensus seems to be it just can't go on like this.

Tbh I think raw economics will bring it all to an end anyway. Fans are already drifting away through that age old (there is a good graph that shows this...) problem of too few clubs winning things, thus making it boring for everyone else, and spiraling gate prices then making up peoples minds to break the 'habit'. As one famous football writer put it.

Yet, they still keep caving in to higher and higher wage demands, which gobbles up the TV money that could be used to reduce prices. Doh!

It canee go orn' I tells ye'.

[BrianC]

I'm not in favour of penalty shoot outs for deciding any sort of match result, but then I can't see than many English supporters being keen with our record.

I'd be in favour of scrapping points for a draw (obviously deciding league matches via penalties can right off) - it should push teams like Middlesbrough to actually play for once. Granted some teams will just try to sit back and go for the counter but they will get broken down by the better teams, such is the difference in class.

I'd liked Wenger's idea of forcing a club to only spend what it earnt. If it was even remotely possible to police it I'd like to see FA set ticket and shirt prices, with both set far below what a lot of clubs charge at the moment.

[DJT75]

Originally Posted by DJT75

It'll never happen

Originally Posted by johnscarlet

Don't think so

Originally Posted by johnscarlet

But it won't happen

Just so we're all clear

[overkill]

As Kevin Bond said in reaction to this nonsense, 'what's wrong with a draw'? I cannot see the problem?

As the introduction of three points for a win showed, all the tops teams do, never mind the lesser lights 'hanging on to snatch a win', is the same! I remember Neill's Arsenal in the early 80's grinding out loads of '1-0' bores - they weren't alone. 80's Liverpool became past masters at winning away games by snatching two goals, and then sitting back for rest of the game quite happily as their opponents ineffectually huffed and puffed away. It wasn't good to watch, but by God it worked! That's all that would happen now. How would that improve the football being watched outside the big four?

You will not improve football or encourage teams to go for a win simply by scrapping draws.

They would end up having to go to penalties, or just draw. At least that way their opponents wouldn't get any farther ahead........... and yes, that is how negative coaches, players etc think these days.

I'd love to be proved wrong, but with so much money hanging on a result, they think 'mustn't lose', not 'must win'.

[BrianC]

I'd rather watch one team trying unsuccessfully to get back into the match that watch them not even try in the first place. Its the fact that they have given up in the first place by going for the draw that I find so objectional. I'd hope such negative behaviour would result in the club being punished with lower gates but that doesn't work, at least with Sky's money bailing them out.

I must admit that I hadn't thought that a team may still try for a draw if they are close in position to that team to stop them from getting away from them, but I can see far too many teams trying that one now you mention it.