who is to blame for poor toon

[Windtalker]

g. roeder
fat freddy
players
all

?? personaly id say the players for under performing week in week out cant blame board or freddy as they have backed every manager with bucket loads of cash,also they have given the players what they want.

cant blame roeder he has made good signings and had some very bad luck with injurys,also uses other managers signings which cant help.he has us in the quarter finals of 1 cup and going well in europe.

so its left to the players,they get high wages,great facilities,lots of supporters and only seem to play well in games they want to ie europe,cups is this because they have no chance of winning it in a million years so have just given up on it and are putting all there effort into trying to win something,knowing they would be the first to do so for many years ,and also know that if we went down most of them would offloaded to prem teams and europe

[rio1981]

Glenn Roeder is a nice guy - if you're looking at management I'll think you'll find that's the crux of his problem. He's a fantastic coach, but as a standalone manager I think he'll be found wanting long-term at this level...

He steered us to 7th in his first season in charge, and we all know what happened the season after - a team of superstars (well they were to us, anyway) that couldn't play as a cohesive, confident unit, and down we went.

Ironically the Toon also finished 7th last season if my memory is correct?

There's a Shearer factor in there too, in that the fella is pretty much irreplaceable. Injuries don't help matters but a club with as much money as Newcastle, with as good players as they have, and the fantastic support, should be doing a whole lot better.

So someone somewhere is to blame.

[deanym]

I think its a combination of all of the above, however the fact that we let Sol Campbell pass us by and very few other defenders seemed to have been pursued i think Roeder isn't a big enough draw for new players.

[rio1981]

Originally Posted by deanym

I think its a combination of all of the above, however the fact that we let Sol Campbell pass us by and very few other defenders seemed to have been pursued i think Roeder isn't a big enough draw for new players.

It's that bloody leather jacket he still refuses to ditch - note to Rodent: you are not Night Rider

[mrtbag]

If the fans were realistic and lowered their expectations, I don't think there's an issue.

[rio1981]

Originally Posted by mrtbag

If the fans were realistic and lowered their expectations, I don't think there's an issue.

Lowered their expectations to beneath 18th in the table?! Now I'm all for realism but that's taking it a step too far!

[DJT75]

The single biggest problem with Newcastle is the fact they are the only club who are willing to take a bit of a gamble on decent players that other teams won't quite commit too. Whether they be slightly past their best, a bad injury history or completely unproven/overpriced.

With a lot of bad luck along the way too, I think they've been naive in the transfer market for years, they need someone in there to advise these
managers they have, on value for money & the risk involved.

Why would no-one else pay £17m for Owen?
Why did Duff only cost £5m?
Who would buy Bramble in the first place?
Luque for how much? Who is he? What's his record?
Stop waiting for Dyer to come back from injury & hoping it'll be alright, he'll never ever play 10 games in a row again.
When did Stephen Carr last over-lap a defender like he used to?

There's a reason why these players are for sale & there's a reason why they end up at Newcastle. Available because of X, Y or Z & Newcastle are willing to pay a load of dosh for them, with lovely wages to boot.

I went to Watford last night, I was in the Newcastle end with a Geordie friend of mine. We were in the 2nd row, right next to the goal where the penalties were taken. It was an awful match until both sides realised they had something to play for in extra-time & even then most the time the ball was in the air.

Newcastle have the most faithful supporters in the country, 5,500 travelled down on a cold Tuesday night to fill that stand (that normally only houses 2,500 away fans for Prem games). They sang for about 115mins of that game & not a single mention of all the trouble & this Freddie out stuff, it's forgotten when the team are playing. They back the team 100% with only the occassional word of encouragement for a underperforming player.

So they have the fans, they definitely have the stadium, they have someone willing to splash the cash & they've had too many managers.

Freddie needs to bring someone in to overlook his cash & his clubs spending habit. I don't think any of the managers have been particular bad on the pitch, they just bought badly because Freddie made the money available & they taken gamble after gamble on players no-one else would touch. He then needs to give this manager or more likely a more experienced manager time & not just fire him straight after another £50million is spent. Cos the next one will want £50million too & do no better.

Newcastle have 2 good keepers. They have past it/not interested full backs. They have Championship standard Centre-backs. They have a mixture of injury prone & talented midfielders = Milner, Parker, Solano, N'Zogbia & Emre are all decent players. They have no strikers (can't rely on Owen). And Damian Duff, who looks a shadow of the player already, he could've had 5 goals last night but made the wrong decision on all 5 & scuffed 4 of them.

[LFC_SL]

A combination

Duff has come out in the past couple of days to admit that the players are underperfoming. You could I suppose reasonably argue Newcastle haven't had a manager in a long time who can get a little extra out of a team - look at O'Neill at Villa

And the last thing is the old £ spent in the transfer market. £17m for Owen. £10m Luque. £10m Martins. Does someone on Tyneside think it'd be a waste to spend the same on defenders? The last decent one they had was Woodgate - says it all they haven't even replaced him! Coupled with the fact the big money strikers aren't performing, you have a recipe for relegation dogfight

[Tsunami]

The blame has to be shared, mostly by managers who have long left & never properly addressed the problems we had - the defence, replacing Shearer chief amongst these.

Fat Fred can be accused of selecting some bad managers & being naive in backing some of their transfers & his timing can be comical at times (the sacking of Robson stands out), but I do think he believes he is doing his best & he does make money available. If however a Geordie Ambromovich does come along I expect him to do the best for the club & stand aside.

We have had rotten luck with injuries but the squad should have been big & balanced enough to deal with this. The fact it isn't is down to the Manager.

Roeder should have bought 2 or even 3 strikers in the summer, 2 of which had to be in the Shearer type mould (target men). Ameobi, who is now out for the season, should have had the op pre-season & we let Chopra go. Roeder bought Martins (why?) & got Rossie on loan. Not good enough; Roeder must take the blame for this.

He got shot of Boumsong which was a job well done but we didn't replace. I'm sure if we had really wanted to we could have got Huth or Woodgate (I know they both say they wanted to go to the Smoggies but they can hardly say otherwise now).

As a person Roeder seems like a good bloke but he should be back at the Academy & Fat Fred has to accept that he got the managers position totally wrong (again).

Like I said shared blame & a right old mess

[LFC_SL]

Edit:

So Ameobi needs surgery and is out for the season with Owen. Martins is injured... leaving Luque and Rossi! So there you have it. Bad luck, a leaky defence and non-existent strikeforce (injuries or no form as applicable) combine for the current plight

[mjn]

Titus Bramble?

[mrtbag]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

Edit:

So Ameobi needs surgery and is out for the season with Owen. Martins is injured... leaving Luque and Rossi! So there you have it. Bad luck, a leaky defence and non-existent strikeforce (injuries or no form as applicable) combine for the current plight

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ed/6128490.stm

Not good is it.

[Physco_Jack]

we are going down im affraid

[thfccambs]

Confused,you haven't won anything since 1969 so to even be in the Premiership isn't a bad achivement for a team that hasn't won anything for nearly 38 years.

Did i mention you hadn't won anything since 1969?

[thfccambs]

Originally Posted by Physco_Jack

we are going down im affraid

God i hope so.