[Windtalker]

g. roeder
fat freddy
players
all

?? personaly id say the players for under performing week in week out cant blame board or freddy as they have backed every manager with bucket loads of cash,also they have given the players what they want.

cant blame roeder he has made good signings and had some very bad luck with injurys,also uses other managers signings which cant help.he has us in the quarter finals of 1 cup and going well in europe.

so its left to the players,they get high wages,great facilities,lots of supporters and only seem to play well in games they want to ie europe,cups is this because they have no chance of winning it in a million years so have just given up on it and are putting all there effort into trying to win something,knowing they would be the first to do so for many years ,and also know that if we went down most of them would offloaded to prem teams and europe

[rio1981]

Glenn Roeder is a nice guy - if you're looking at management I'll think you'll find that's the crux of his problem. He's a fantastic coach, but as a standalone manager I think he'll be found wanting long-term at this level...

He steered us to 7th in his first season in charge, and we all know what happened the season after - a team of superstars (well they were to us, anyway) that couldn't play as a cohesive, confident unit, and down we went.

Ironically the Toon also finished 7th last season if my memory is correct?

There's a Shearer factor in there too, in that the fella is pretty much irreplaceable. Injuries don't help matters but a club with as much money as Newcastle, with as good players as they have, and the fantastic support, should be doing a whole lot better.

So someone somewhere is to blame.

[deanym]

I think its a combination of all of the above, however the fact that we let Sol Campbell pass us by and very few other defenders seemed to have been pursued i think Roeder isn't a big enough draw for new players.

[rio1981]

Originally Posted by deanym

I think its a combination of all of the above, however the fact that we let Sol Campbell pass us by and very few other defenders seemed to have been pursued i think Roeder isn't a big enough draw for new players.

It's that bloody leather jacket he still refuses to ditch - note to Rodent: you are not Night Rider

[mrtbag]

If the fans were realistic and lowered their expectations, I don't think there's an issue.

[rio1981]

Originally Posted by mrtbag

If the fans were realistic and lowered their expectations, I don't think there's an issue.

Lowered their expectations to beneath 18th in the table?! Now I'm all for realism but that's taking it a step too far!

[DJT75]

The single biggest problem with Newcastle is the fact they are the only club who are willing to take a bit of a gamble on decent players that other teams won't quite commit too. Whether they be slightly past their best, a bad injury history or completely unproven/overpriced.

With a lot of bad luck along the way too, I think they've been naive in the transfer market for years, they need someone in there to advise these
managers they have, on value for money & the risk involved.

Why would no-one else pay £17m for Owen?
Why did Duff only cost £5m?
Who would buy Bramble in the first place?
Luque for how much? Who is he? What's his record?
Stop waiting for Dyer to come back from injury & hoping it'll be alright, he'll never ever play 10 games in a row again.
When did Stephen Carr last over-lap a defender like he used to?

There's a reason why these players are for sale & there's a reason why they end up at Newcastle. Available because of X, Y or Z & Newcastle are willing to pay a load of dosh for them, with lovely wages to boot.

I went to Watford last night, I was in the Newcastle end with a Geordie friend of mine. We were in the 2nd row, right next to the goal where the penalties were taken. It was an awful match until both sides realised they had something to play for in extra-time & even then most the time the ball was in the air.

Newcastle have the most faithful supporters in the country, 5,500 travelled down on a cold Tuesday night to fill that stand (that normally only houses 2,500 away fans for Prem games). They sang for about 115mins of that game & not a single mention of all the trouble & this Freddie out stuff, it's forgotten when the team are playing. They back the team 100% with only the occassional word of encouragement for a underperforming player.

So they have the fans, they definitely have the stadium, they have someone willing to splash the cash & they've had too many managers.

Freddie needs to bring someone in to overlook his cash & his clubs spending habit. I don't think any of the managers have been particular bad on the pitch, they just bought badly because Freddie made the money available & they taken gamble after gamble on players no-one else would touch. He then needs to give this manager or more likely a more experienced manager time & not just fire him straight after another £50million is spent. Cos the next one will want £50million too & do no better.

Newcastle have 2 good keepers. They have past it/not interested full backs. They have Championship standard Centre-backs. They have a mixture of injury prone & talented midfielders = Milner, Parker, Solano, N'Zogbia & Emre are all decent players. They have no strikers (can't rely on Owen). And Damian Duff, who looks a shadow of the player already, he could've had 5 goals last night but made the wrong decision on all 5 & scuffed 4 of them.

[Steven]

A combination

Duff has come out in the past couple of days to admit that the players are underperfoming. You could I suppose reasonably argue Newcastle haven't had a manager in a long time who can get a little extra out of a team - look at O'Neill at Villa

And the last thing is the old £ spent in the transfer market. £17m for Owen. £10m Luque. £10m Martins. Does someone on Tyneside think it'd be a waste to spend the same on defenders? The last decent one they had was Woodgate - says it all they haven't even replaced him! Coupled with the fact the big money strikers aren't performing, you have a recipe for relegation dogfight

[Tsunami]

The blame has to be shared, mostly by managers who have long left & never properly addressed the problems we had - the defence, replacing Shearer chief amongst these.

Fat Fred can be accused of selecting some bad managers & being naive in backing some of their transfers & his timing can be comical at times (the sacking of Robson stands out), but I do think he believes he is doing his best & he does make money available. If however a Geordie Ambromovich does come along I expect him to do the best for the club & stand aside.

We have had rotten luck with injuries but the squad should have been big & balanced enough to deal with this. The fact it isn't is down to the Manager.

Roeder should have bought 2 or even 3 strikers in the summer, 2 of which had to be in the Shearer type mould (target men). Ameobi, who is now out for the season, should have had the op pre-season & we let Chopra go. Roeder bought Martins (why?) & got Rossie on loan. Not good enough; Roeder must take the blame for this.

He got shot of Boumsong which was a job well done but we didn't replace. I'm sure if we had really wanted to we could have got Huth or Woodgate (I know they both say they wanted to go to the Smoggies but they can hardly say otherwise now).

As a person Roeder seems like a good bloke but he should be back at the Academy & Fat Fred has to accept that he got the managers position totally wrong (again).

Like I said shared blame & a right old mess

[Steven]

Edit:

So Ameobi needs surgery and is out for the season with Owen. Martins is injured... leaving Luque and Rossi! So there you have it. Bad luck, a leaky defence and non-existent strikeforce (injuries or no form as applicable) combine for the current plight

[mjn]

Titus Bramble?

[mrtbag]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

Edit:

So Ameobi needs surgery and is out for the season with Owen. Martins is injured... leaving Luque and Rossi! So there you have it. Bad luck, a leaky defence and non-existent strikeforce (injuries or no form as applicable) combine for the current plight

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ed/6128490.stm

Not good is it.

[Physco_Jack]

we are going down im affraid

[thfccambs]

Confused,you haven't won anything since 1969 so to even be in the Premiership isn't a bad achivement for a team that hasn't won anything for nearly 38 years.

Did i mention you hadn't won anything since 1969?

[thfccambs]

Originally Posted by Physco_Jack

we are going down im affraid

God i hope so.

[overkill]

Fat Freddy does seem to be a 'larger than Newcastle' character. Sadly, wherever these sort of guys are chairmen the clubs are rarely successful. Look at Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Very rarely do you even know (unless you are a fan) who the chairman is of the big clubs. Basically because they leave the manager and team to get on with it. When they don't, as with the Liverpool director recently, they do the decent thing.

The chairmen we know best, 'surprise' are nearly always a menace. Bates, Sheppard, Ellis, Robinson to name but a few. All have huge egos to massage in public, none have any patience with managers who are their own men, and it becomes a chicken and egg situation. I notice that O'neill only joined Villa when it was obvious Ellis was going.

Until Sheppard is willing to employ someone with the grit to succeed, and the shoulders on which the burden of the Newcastle fans expectations don't weigh down to heavily, they will always be 'also-rans'.

[Johnny Thunder]

Originally Posted by Tsunami

I'm sure if we had really wanted to we could have got Huth or Woodgate (I know they both say they wanted to go to the Smoggies but they can hardly say otherwise now).

Maybe they really did want to join us because they could see exactly what was ahead for Newcastle.
There again, maybe they just chose a relegation scrap closer to London.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by overkill

Fat Freddy does seem to be a 'larger than Newcastle' character.

Fat Freddy is not a nice man and he seems to have quite a fanclub here

[rio1981]

Personally I'd be gutted if the Toon went down - I'll always have a soft spot for clubs where the supporters turn out no matter the time of day, and no matter the distance from home, and still fill their allocations... always used to enjoy it when they came to Upton Park as the place would always be full to bursting.

I even remember feeling desperately sorry for the 3,000 or so that made the journey down to us - think it was between 1998 - and the game was called off at about 7.55pm due to a slightly-waterlogged pitch, and a small pond in each corner where the floodlight controls were

The Barcodes down the far end were still singing despite this... the top flight would be a worse place without them.

[Windtalker]

Originally Posted by rio1981

Personally I'd be gutted if the Toon went down - I'll always have a soft spot for clubs where the supporters turn out no matter the time of day, and no matter the distance from home, and still fill their allocations... always used to enjoy it when they came to Upton Park as the place would always be full to bursting.

I even remember feeling desperately sorry for the 3,000 or so that made the journey down to us - think it was between 1998 - and the game was called off at about 7.55pm due to a slightly-waterlogged pitch, and a small pond in each corner where the floodlight controls were

The Barcodes down the far end were still singing despite this... the top flight would be a worse place without them.

i was there that night

[rio1981]

Originally Posted by Windtalker

i was there that night

And that's why I don't want you relegated! You're all nutters, but good nutters

Plus any club that Stan "Skippy" Lazaridis can belt in a 40-yarder against is welcome in my books!

[Miyazaki]

A string of ****e managers, can only be down to a ****e chairman?

That and the fact the newcastle support expect too much.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by Games Guru

A string of ****e managers, can only be down to a ****e chairman?

That and the fact the newcastle support expect too much.

Sorry Guru, how can any fan 'expect too much'? Never mind a club as big as Newcastle. Wimbledon (who weren't the first) showed how any club, no matter how small, with the right attitude can rise up and beat the biggest team/club in the game to claim success. Yet, Newcastle have achieved nothing since 1969 and won no domestic honours since 1956.

The lack of ambition amongst fans of many clubs, beyond 'finishing in the top half of the prem', is part of the reason why the prem is so crap. If they turned up (like Southends fans did) for cup matches and got 100% behind the teams life would much harder for all the big clubs. And that, would be no bad thing.

Newcastle fans are right to expect some return for their hard earned cash. Hell, we all are.

[Tsunami]

That and the fact the newcastle support expect too much.[/QUOTE]

We don't expect anything other than the team to give 100% and hope to be entertained.

There is an urban myth that we expect to win things; we don't, we hopeto be in a position to win things & then expect not to win them.

We would love success but do not live or die for it; supporting The Toon is more than winning or losing. Just as well really!!!!!!

[thfccambs]

Massive game for the bar codes today,come on you must beat City

[Windtalker]

another very poor display again today

[GeordieSquires]

Very shaky defensivly and not much going forward until the last 2 minutes when we suddenly looked alive. Why couldn't we have played like we did in the last 2 minutes during the whole game

[TameRacingDriver]

The blame should be shared amongst the whole club, but in particular, chairman and manager. Freddy Shepherd, in his defence, usually does put his hand in his pocket for players, but he has seemingly no talent for picking any decent manager.

And as for Roeder, well he is a nice guy, but nice isnt what we need right now, we need someone who can actually do the job. Roeder simply hasnt got a clue. We were supposedly after Martin O Neill, but what happenned? Where was this "top manager" that was promised? We were lied to. Look at what O Neill has done with Villa. O Neill could have at least made our present players better organised and into a team that would not be relegated.

Something needs to be done, but what? Who the hell would want a job managing newcastle at the minute?

As said, the table does not lie, and on present form, we are doomed. I simply cannot forsee any other outcome unless there are some big changes sooner rather than later.