Pardew vs Wenger

[rio1981]

Surprised to not see a thread on this already!

What's everyone's take on it? Haven't ever been Wenger's biggest fan so even if Pards did lord it up in front of him I couldn't blame him (especially after Wenger effectively called him a racist not so long ago )

Shame that it will detract from what was our best performance since the FA Cup Final - and what I thought was a well-deserved win in the end.

As for Arsenal, I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, why do they always want to score the perfect goal? With a bit of application I'm sure they would have created more chances if a) they didn't want to score with 100 passes and b) if they actually used the whole pitch, not just the middle bit!

On yesterday's performance I can't see Messrs Mascherano & Tevez staying for long...

[shane515]

enjoyed the game loved the result even more defo the best performance since that day in May...as to the confrontation....I think it was quite amusing to see a grown man refusing to shake anothers hand.....

Shane

[thfccambs]

Wenger should get a touch line ban from the FA,he's a disgrace not the 1st time he's acted like it either.

No dout Overkill will think it was all Pardews thought and he never see anything wrong with it.

[rio1981]

Can't say I'm surprised but on MOTD2 (sorry, just had to watch it again ) - but Dixon and Wright were saying he overcelebrated the goal

Every time the camera panned to the dug-outs though he was either complaining about something, moaning to Pardew, etc - he could have done a lot better to motivate his team who were lacklustre throughout.

I think Harewood's goal is on Youtube now, with part of the scuffle afterwards if anyone's interested

Refusing to shake your opponent's hand, especially on live TV, makes Wenger look like a right plank in my book...

[miceri]

Pardew has actually offered an apology to Wenger, hmmm. Bet that refused eh?

I actually met Pardew at a party, nice guy - Saw my kid running round and round the table, said that it reminded him of his training sessions!

[shane515]

Originally Posted by rio1981

Can't say I'm surprised but on MOTD2 (sorry, just had to watch it again )

I recorded and watched it live, then watched again last night when the wife went out......finished just in time to watch MOTD2 to hear the comments

[rio1981]

Originally Posted by shane515

I recorded and watched it live, then watched again last night when the wife went out......finished just in time to watch MOTD2 to hear the comments

It was the noise I wanted to hear again mate - was making too much of my own when we scored live that I didn't get a chance to hear just how much the roof came off when Marlon scored!

Given the circumstances I think it was even more impressive than being the last team besides Arsenal to win at the Library

[LFC_SL]

Originally Posted by rio1981

Surprised to not see a thread on this already!

Because Pardew has apologised, and Wenger will reciprocate in private, and that will be the end of that

[rio1981]

Well Saturday's game will be a completely different kettle of fish, where we may even be expected to win; Middlesboro away.

Notoriously a crap ground for us to go and visit - another defeat and maybe Southgate will be feeling the pinch?

Ar*enal Whinger complaining ?

Whatever next? Night following day?

[po_man]

As much as love Wenger, i must say i was disappointed with his actions on Sunday. Okay, he reacted to Pardews, slightly in-your-face celebrations which probably was more amusing than it was disgraceful, but i do wish that he'd just shaken his hand at the end and that would have been the end of it.

One thing i must say is that; to be fair to Wenger, Pardews celebrations were no more than 3 yards away from Wenger and if he'd just celebrated in his own technical area and with his own people and NOT try to then, in the same breath, try and give his condolences to Wenger (which in my eyes is a right wind-up) then nothing would have happened. It was actually Pardew approaching Wenger.

Anyway, as i say - i was disappointed though that Wenger didn't shake his hand at the end and also fair play to Pardew for apologising (or trying to) because you can do no more than that.

[rio1981]

Originally Posted by po_man

Okay, he reacted to Pardews, slightly in-your-face celebrations which probably was more amusing than it was disgraceful

I would suggest his FA Cup Semi-Final dance was more amusing / embarrassing! Personally thought it was great to see the manager of the team I support feeling the moment so much...

All points taken there po man - Wenger just seemed to have a bad mood on all afternoon, seems like the man isn't happy when he doesn't get the 50-50 decisions (not necessarily match-changing ones)... and for the record, the ref blew up a lot in Arsenal's favour when free kicks could have gone either way on Sunday.

Invariably it'll all blow over... until the reverse fixture at the Grove (sorry, not calling it the Emirates), which could be a little bit tasty

[po_man]

Originally Posted by rio1981

I would suggest his FA Cup Semi-Final dance was more amusing / embarrassing! Personally thought it was great to see the manager of the team I support feeling the moment so much...

All points taken there po man - Wenger just seemed to have a bad mood on all afternoon, seems like the man isn't happy when he doesn't get the 50-50 decisions (not necessarily match-changing ones)... and for the record, the ref blew up a lot in Arsenal's favour when free kicks could have gone either way on Sunday.

Invariably it'll all blow over... until the reverse fixture at the Grove (sorry, not calling it the Emirates), which could be a little bit tasty

Absolutely agree Rio. The Semi-Final jig was disgraceful and he should have been on a disripute charge!

Again agreed that we didn't look happy all afternoon and think that perhaps (from a rose-tinted point of view) that we deserved at least a draw. Full credit to Pardew though for sticking on the two strikers when he did. Really did change the game.

[rio1981]

Arsene Wenger has broken his silence, after the incident at Upton Park on Sunday. Looking emotionally drained Wenger, 79, spoke as Arsenal arrived back in North London.

"I was disgusted at the treatment we received at West Ham. Our players are used to playing in a quiet, respectful atmosphere (Al Qaeda Stadium) in which we can discuss tactics, compare our nice gloves, and scream loudly to let the referee know we've been tackled and need a free kick.

The atmosphere at Upton Park was little short of hostile. The opposing fans sang, shouted and cheered in a manner we are not used to. Almost all of them stayed for the whole game, too. This was strange to us; it doesn't happen back at the Al Qaeda Stadium.

In addition, our bag man left the team's glove bag back at Gonfraburton Grove, meaning that many of our players were playing with cold hands, and some of them cried.

My dispute with Alan Pardew was over his comments following their goal.
"Did you see that?" he shouted. This was insulting. He must know that I see NOTHING on the pitch, unless it is a poor decision against Arsenal. I hope the FA realizes what bad feeling this can cause at a game and can have Managers and hopefully players banned from celebrating when scoring goals. I was very disappointed to see him celebrate like that, it was almost as if he wanted us to lose. He did offer to shake my hand at the end but without the gloves my fingers were tres cold, and I didn't want to move them from under my armpits."

- surprised it took until Tuesday for something like this to surface, in all honesty!

[rio1981]

Originally Posted by po_man

Again agreed that we didn't look happy all afternoon and think that perhaps (from a rose-tinted point of view) that we deserved at least a draw. Full credit to Pardew though for sticking on the two strikers when he did. Really did change the game.

Through my own rose-tinted ones (I own some too!) I thought if any team deserved to win, it'd be us, but a draw would have been a pretty fair reflection.

The thing is, I'm sat in the front room watching on the edge of my seat, safe in the knowledge that a nice move from Arsenal could cut us to ribbons in seconds, and apart from the Rosicky chance in the first half it just didn't happen... what would worry me if I was a Gooner though is that I can't honestly remember the last time we kept a clean sheet

And agreed, kudos to Pardew on this occasion - only a minute after Wenger brought on Adebayor... obviously with the benefit of hindsight it's only ever a masterstroke if it works