Is Ashley Cole for sale or not?

CFC1 · 18-08-2006, 5:31 PM

*** is going on? Arsenal have been offered good (and honest!) money for Cole. What are Arsenal playing at?

Abbeygoo · 18-08-2006, 5:37 PM

They don't have to sell if they don't want to. Just because Chelsea steam in with their millions does not mean every club has to buckle and dance to your tune. Be patient, you'll get him before the transfer deadline I'm sure. You should be more concerned as to how you're going to handle the Blue Boys on Sunday afternoon.

DJT75 · 18-08-2006, 6:20 PM

Although I agree with what Arsenal are attempting, if Ferreira is worth £16m & SWP is worth £22m, then you can get your wallet out & pay £25m for Cole.

However, they've forgotten 3 things, it's the start of the season tomorrow, they need to spend that cash when they get it & Chelsea can afford to bugger off last minute & buy whomever they wish.

My prediction is he'll be at neither club come Sept.

gosties · 18-08-2006, 6:44 PM

I think that Cole will go before the transfer window closes. I just don't see him pulling on a Arsenal shirt again in anger. I agree about increasing the price for Cole for Chelsea and having lower price for foreign clubs. Selling to Chelsea will considerably strengthen them.

I don't get how Cole can blame Arsenal for his tapping incident. He along with the Chelsea officials were stupid enough to be caught having illegal talks. I am not naive and understand that talks like this go on all the time between officials of clubs and players but most people are not as stupid to do it so publicly.

I believe that as good as a player Cole is, his attentions are no longer with Arsenal and I do not believe he can play again for the club.

thfccambs · 18-08-2006, 6:46 PM

Sorry but no defender in the world is worth 25m.

**Steven** · 18-08-2006, 6:50 PM

Well, classic British extra added on

Cannovaro - it was a team effort but imo no other player had as much of an influence and effect in Italy winning the World Cup. Ferdinand and Cole would both cost 10m-15m more? But this argument is about Sky and is for anther day, so sorry

Cole will go to Chelski. I doubt he is the same sort of person as Stevie G...

gosties · 18-08-2006, 6:59 PM

I am surprised that Chelsea did not make a move for Zambrottta as he would have cost around half what Arsenal want for Cole. I believe that Zambrotta is equally as good a player as Cole. Another option for Chelsea is Lahm at Bayern Munich, like Hargreaves it is doubtful whether he would allowed to move. I don't think Cole is worth 25m but that is Arsenal's prerogative.

mickrick · 18-08-2006, 7:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gosties

I think that Cole will go before the transfer window closes. I just don't see him pulling on a Arsenal shirt again in anger.

I thought the same, but then he goes and says he has made himself available for the Villa game tomorrow, although Wenger has excluded him.

The guy is a gangster and thinks he's holding the club to ransom, just like Anelka. My personal view is that, after the Anelka swindle, Arsenal should learn by their mistakes with that theiving get and either refuse Cole a transfer and make him sit out the rest of the season without ever kicking a ball for us again (lets see how many clubs would be interested in him then) or grant him his transfer request but refuse to sell him to another English club.

I agree that no defender on earth is worth £25m, but then I believe no player is worth obscene amounts like that, not when there are starving, displaced and disenfranchised millions in the world.

gosties · 18-08-2006, 7:21 PM

I would probably agree about letting him rot but I think that he has three years left on his contract. According to what is going on with Andy Webster who played with Hearts and is supposedly moving to Wigan the problem for Arsenal is saleable value.

The Hearts situation is as I understand it that Webster has two years left on his contract and can invoke a Fifa transfer clause that will let him move for a value set by Fifa. Hearts value the player at between £1-1.5 million whereas Wigan believe they will eventually sign the player for around £200,000. The player can move for the lower fee to any leagues other than his own domestic. This case I believe will be a test case for the clause.

I maybe be wrong but I believe Arsenal need to shift the player now as next season he may be able to move for a considerably lower sum. I may not be totally correct about this clause but this is what is being reported in Scotland in reports about Andy Webster. This transfer clause I believe will eventually open a real can of worms.

Kazuya Mishima · 18-08-2006, 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gosties

I maybe be wrong but I believe Arsenal need to shift the player now as next season he may be able to move for a considerably lower sum. I may not be totally correct about this clause but this is what is being reported in Scotland in reports about Andy Webster. This transfer clause I believe will eventually open a real can of worms.

IIRC, that clause is also connected to the fact that Webster is under 23 years old (of course I might well have got this completely wrong!)

How old is the money-grabbing Cole?

Don't like the way he has tried to appease the fans by saying "oh my grievance isn't with the fans" etc etc.

EDIT: probably did get it wrong, I now believe that Webster is 24! D'oh!

CFC1 · 18-08-2006, 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

....You should be more concerned as to how you're going to handle the Blue Boys on Sunday afternoon.

Ha ha ha...I haven't laughed so much since....well, since the last time we beat you!

CFC1 · 18-08-2006, 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJT75

Although I agree with what Arsenal are attempting, if Ferreira is worth £16m & SWP is worth £22m, then you can get your wallet out & pay £25m for Cole.

We have to tighten our belts! ......It's not a bottomless pit you know!

gosties · 18-08-2006, 7:56 PM

The clause is supposed to come in to effect when a player has two years left on their contract. They player has to put in request in writing I believe to their club within a 30 day limit of the 2 years left on their contract. Webster's case I believe is test-case worldwide for the whole clause. I believe he put his request in with a day to spare.

CFC1 · 18-08-2006, 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hunts1uk

Sorry but no defender in the world is worth 25m.

Not even JT?

CFC1 · 18-08-2006, 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gosties

I am surprised that Chelsea did not make a move for Zambrottta as he would have cost around half what Arsenal want for Cole. I believe that Zambrotta is equally as good a player as Cole. Another option for Chelsea is Lahm at Bayern Munich, like Hargreaves it is doubtful whether he would allowed to move. I don't think Cole is worth 25m but that is Arsenal's prerogative.

In all seriousness, I know we will be paying over the odds for Cole once again, but we do need more quality English players at the Bridge! The antics of a couple of our foreign players has eroded the "neutral support" that we enjoyed under Ranieri a couple of years ago and we need to redress that balance.

CFC1 · 18-08-2006, 8:44 PM

I see SSN are reporting that Chelsea are close to signing Hamburg's Dutch utility defender Khalid Bouhlahrouz. Is this just a ploy to chivvy Arsenal along?

gosties · 18-08-2006, 8:54 PM

Maybe been signed to get friendly with Christiano Ronaldo again ?

*RMCF* · 18-08-2006, 9:23 PM

I'm still holding out for Cole to Madrid and Carlos to Chelsea!!

Abbeygoo · 18-08-2006, 9:47 PM

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Ha ha ha...I haven't laughed so much since....well, since the last time we beat you!

Yeah right, you'll probably remember the season before that as well. You're all concentrating on Ashley Cole but the best Cole to play in the Premiership will steal the headlines with a hat-trick!

Eternal optimism is an essential quality of any City fan

CFC1 · 18-08-2006, 10:14 PM

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Yeah right, you'll probably remember the season before that as well.

Yeah I do, and it still pains me! If it wasn't for a dodgy penalty, we too would have followed Arsenal in an unbeaten season!

CFC1 · 18-08-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SOK

...... and Carlos to Chelsea!!

Abbeygoo · 18-08-2006, 10:29 PM

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Yeah I do, and it still pains me! If it wasn't for a dodgy penalty, we too would have followed Arsenal in an unbeaten season!

You couldn't score against us in both league games - a definite penalty and the fella should have been sent off!

Anyway, good luck for Sunday and the season.

CFC1 · 19-08-2006, 12:17 AM

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Anyway, good luck for Sunday and the season.

Cheers! I hope City have a good'un too (I've got plenty of time for Psycho!)

CFC1 · 19-08-2006, 12:19 AM

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You're all concentrating on Ashley Cole but the best Cole to play in the Premiership will steal the headlines with a hat-trick!

Nah, you're safe enough, Joe aint playing!

Abbeygoo · 19-08-2006, 6:41 AM

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Nah, you're safe enough, Joe aint playing!

And I've just heard this morning, that neither is Andy!

DJT75 · 21-08-2006, 8:34 AM

If reports are true this morning & Arsenal are on the verge of getting £10m + Gallas for A.Cole - I know who's done better out of that deal

Well done Arsene, I may not like you but you certainly know how to make the most out of that muppet Mourinho.

Istanbul_Kop · 21-08-2006, 8:41 AM

Shocking that Gallas would go there.

I remember Gallas saying he wants to braoden his horizons and play in each of Europe's top leagues.

I suppose he doesn't want to be used as a RB/LB at Chelsea....but look at Arsenal....they're gonna play him at LB for a bit?

CFC1 · 21-08-2006, 8:54 AM

Losing Gallas would be a big loss for Chelsea for sure. Mourinho desperately wants Ashley Cole and Arsenal were quoting £25 mil for him. If it is true that they would take £10 mil plus Gallas, that aint a bad deal allround, 'cos Gallas is in the last year of his contract and will walk away for nothing next May. If we effectively get £15 mil for him, that's fair enough....

It would be done over Mourinho's head though, as there is no way he would strengthen Arsenal off his own bat with this sale. That seems to be borne out in his interviews where he doesn't seem to have a clue what's going on...

Broaden his horizons my arse! He must be related to Anelka's brother......

hottstuff · 21-08-2006, 9:10 AM

Not a bad deal @ all.
Everyones a winner.
Mourhino was asked about the Gallas deal with Arsenal yesterday , and simply said "i dont know" , no denial.

ashley you money grabbing , two-faced tart!!!

DJT75 · 21-08-2006, 9:24 AM

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Losing Gallas would be a big loss for Chelsea for sure. Mourinho desperately wants Ashley Cole and Arsenal were quoting £25 mil for him. If it is true that they would take £10 mil plus Gallas, that aint a bad deal allround, 'cos Gallas is in the last year of his contract and will walk away for nothing next May. If we effectively get £15 mil for him, that's fair enough....

Wayne Bridge is as good as Ashley Cole for what Mourihno wants though, he doesn't let his fullbacks go forward & Bridge is a far better defender in my opinion. (+ he looked going forward yesterday). Gallas is one of the best defenders in Europe & I'm 100% sure Arsene would play him along side Toure in the middle - he has no-one else in that class in that position.

If I were an Arsenal fan I'd be over the moon with that deal. £10m easily buys an Ashley Cole + some & they have Gallas to boot too...