Thierry Henry at it again!!

RMCF · 13-06-2006, 6:52 PM

So yet again Henry disappoints in a big game.

I am one of those very rare people who, although accepting that he is a very good player, always thought that he was over-hyped.

I realise that he tends to score for fun in the EPL, but lets be honest outside of the top 4 there aren't any decent defences.

I think that you could count the great games he's played in Europe or in major championships in single figures.

I know I will probably get lambasted for this thread, but I believe it to be true!!

sdb123 · 13-06-2006, 7:05 PM

I agree....He seemed to adopt the gallic sulk when things weren't going his way today.

RMCF · 13-06-2006, 7:42 PM

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I agree....He seemed to adopt the gallic sulk when things weren't going his way today.

I've seen that MANY times.

**Steven** · 13-06-2006, 7:48 PM

France played 4-1-3-1

What was Henry meant to do up front on his own, without any support, Zidane past his best, as is Viera (who can't shoot, he's a DMC) and Ribery was a disappointment after being talked up

Why single out Henry? Yes, he didn't do anything. But neither did his teamates. He's not superman, but he's close, but Henry can't do much when he's got 4 defenders on him, and France's midfield seemingly calculating the pensions for some of France's elder statesman

Sorry for the rant

- But I didn't start a thread

neilios · 13-06-2006, 7:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LFC_SL

France played 4-1-3-1

What was Henry meant to do up front on his own, without any support, Zidane past his best, as is Viera (who can't shoot, he's a DMC) and Ribery was a disappointment after being talked up

Why single out Henry? Yes, he didn't do anything. But neither did his teamates. He's not superman, but he's close, but Henry can't do much when he's got 4 defenders on him, and France's midfield seemingly calculating the pensions for some of France's elder statesman

Sorry for the rant

- But I didn't start a thread

I agree completely ,france have failed in there use of henry as a foward .

Square peg round hole comes to mind.

**Steven** · 13-06-2006, 7:58 PM

I remember Viera having two shots - any other midfielder, but him teh french fans probably thought. And Zidane isn't doing himself justice

It is a team game. Not trying to be patronising, but whilst I understand the point being made, I think is unduly unfair

RMCF · 13-06-2006, 8:54 PM

I'm not just picking on Henry for this one game. It was this game that prompted me to start the thread, but I have seen Henry do nothing for both France and Arsenal on many many occasions.

overkill · 13-06-2006, 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LFC_SL

France played 4-1-3-1

What was Henry meant to do up front on his own, without any support, Zidane past his best, as is Viera (who can't shoot, he's a DMC) and Ribery was a disappointment after being talked up

Why single out Henry? Yes, he didn't do anything. But neither did his teamates. He's not superman, but he's close, but Henry can't do much when he's got 4 defenders on him, and France's midfield seemingly calculating the pensions for some of France's elder statesman

Sorry for the rant

- But I didn't start a thread

Woow! Agree 100% LFC!

Frances performance was a huge let down but none of 'terrible Tuesdays' games lived up to the rest of the tournament so far.

If Henry was a flop then he was in top notch company. Zidane looked well past it, Thuram made several key errors, Ronaldo in the Brazil game was absolutely awful. I know this might also seem like blasphemy, but Ronaldinho, Adriano and a score of other Brazilians looked poor as well.

**Steven** · 13-06-2006, 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by overkill

Woow! Agree 100% LFC!

Well, everyone has their moments

RMCF · 13-06-2006, 9:17 PM

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Originally Posted by overkill

If Henry was a flop then he was in top notch company. Zidane looked well past it, Thuram made several key errors, Ronaldo in the Brazil game was absolutely awful. I know this might also seem like blasphemy, but Ronaldinho, Adriano and a score of other Brazilians looked poor as well.

Not blasphemy, just the truth.

France have been rubbish since about 2001. A lot of their players were reaching the end then, but they are all still playing.

If the manager had any b@lls he would have left Zidane at home and took a younger player who can actually run. Vieira and Thuram were also finished a long time ago. I think that France must be like a lot of countries, where the media picks a lot of the team and the manager is afraid to leave out 'big' names.

Perhaps these federations are getting paid to bring along the 'advert' players to hype up the WC. So far watching Henry, Zidane, Owen, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, Carlos, Cafu, C.Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy etc has just left me disappointed.

overkill · 13-06-2006, 9:31 PM

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Not blasphemy, just the truth.

France have been rubbish since about 2001. A lot of their players were reaching the end then, but they are all still playing.

If the manager had any b@lls he would have left Zidane at home and took a younger player who can actually run. Vieira and Thuram were also finished a long time ago. I think that France must be like a lot of countries, where the media picks a lot of the team and the manager is afraid to leave out 'big' names.

Perhaps these federations are getting paid to bring along the 'advert' players to hype up the WC. So far watching Henry, Zidane, Owen, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, Carlos, Cafu, C.Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy etc has just left me disappointed.

Bit harsh, but probably not far away.

Vieira was finished after 2003-04. Not really a long time ago.

I agree though, I can think of another country not too far away where the media far too often picks the team.

As an Arsenal fan it was interesting to see Senderos, Toure and Rosicky non 'names' in the 'power advertising' stakes perform very well, while Henry, our biggest star, was poor.

sdb123 · 13-06-2006, 9:32 PM

I think the fact that France had to haul Zidane, Makelele and Thuram out of international retirement to qualify for the WC in the first place meant the warning signs were there.

Unfortunately they've since stuck with the old guard when there's been plenty of opportunity to get a more cohesive side together.

sdb123 · 13-06-2006, 9:35 PM

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Originally Posted by overkill

As an Arsenal fan it was interesting to see Senderos, Toure and Rosicky non 'names' in the 'power advertising' stakes perform very well, while Henry, our biggest star, was poor.

Interesting you should say this, as a Chelsea fan I've been looking out for our players too.

Cech, Cole, Robben, Essien, Crespo and Drogba have all played well whilst Terry and Lampard have been poor so far. Carvalho has been his normal 'run of the mill' self.

Funny old game eh!

Steve

RMCF · 14-06-2006, 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sdb123

I think the fact that France had to haul Zidane, Makelele and Thuram out of international retirement to qualify for the WC in the first place meant the warning signs were there.

Unfortunately they've since stuck with the old guard when there's been plenty of opportunity to get a more cohesive side together.

France only qualified in their last game, so I don't see how you could say it would have allowed them time to get a changed side together. Putting an international side together and making it work can take an awful long time.

And do you not think that having brought these players back into the fold that the press, and indeed the players themselves, would have been slightly miffed if they had been dropped for the WC.

Floodedstatue · 15-06-2006, 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sdb123

Interesting you should say this, as a Chelsea fan I've been looking out for our players too.

Cech, Cole, Robben, Essien, Crespo and Drogba have all played well whilst Terry and Lampard have been poor so far. Carvalho has been his normal 'run of the mill' self.

Funny old game eh!

Steve

Funny when they've only played one game - give 'em a chance!

AFSTER · 15-06-2006, 9:06 AM

Henry performance for me was like the Champions League Final second half when he was just stood in the middle not doing anything and had that look on his face

The French team need to get there formation sorted and have two attackers, they should have includede Guly guy from Barca

hottstuff · 15-06-2006, 9:54 AM

Yes , Henry did a lot of standing about , but so did his team-mates.
A lot of expectancy on one man , big goalscorer or not.
France were cr@p not just Henry
Yes can't understand why giuly is gone

DJT75 · 15-06-2006, 11:39 AM

The same with Gerrard & Owen in England shirts - the French don't know how to use Henry to his best. Why the manager can't play a system Henry excels at is beyond me. It's more criminal than Sven & Gerrard.

The thing that I can't work out is. Pires, Guily are left out of the squad to be replaced by a couple of youngsters, then they start the match with all the old school players, most of which are passed it & fail to win. Had Guily & Pires
been playing instead of Zidane & Wiltord they probably would've walked it.

Don't see the point in playing Vieira & Makelele either - Vieira doesn't go box to box anymore so you have 2 men sitting there. England could do with swapping a centre-midfielder with them. They can have Lampard, we'll have Makelele.

Miron · 15-06-2006, 2:25 PM

Hi all.
I was in Stuttgart for that game.
Something is very wrong within french squad (and who cares...

of course) but I must comment.

No kidding, no real effort, they do not use Zidane as they should, they argue quite a lot with each other and last but not least no fans!!! I simply could not believe, only 5-6 thousand fans and all quiet, sitting and doing nothing.

SHAME

DJT75 · 15-06-2006, 2:37 PM

Good point about the fans, they didn't really embrace the world cup in 98 until they realised they were in the final. Miserable bunch they are.

Miron · 15-06-2006, 3:01 PM

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Good point about the fans, they didn't really embrace the world cup in 98 until they realised they were in the final. Miserable bunch they are.

unfortunately (for such a big country with football tradition) this is more than true. i had tickets in the middle of french fan zone and i could only hear 25.000 swiss fans from all around!

overkill · 15-06-2006, 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Miron

unfortunately (for such a big country with football tradition) this is more than true. i had tickets in the middle of french fan zone and i could only hear 25.000 swiss fans from all around!

Actually Miron, football isn't all that big in France. I believe (from talking to the French students) it's ranked about 3rd. The Swiss fans have plenty to cheer about! A young side that has yet to peak held the French and could have won!

RMCF · 17-06-2006, 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Miron

unfortunately (for such a big country with football tradition) this is more than true. i had tickets in the middle of french fan zone and i could only hear 25.000 swiss fans from all around!

Perhaps its hard to get excited about your team when they have been playing rubbish football for 3 years!!

Watching them now must be painful compared to seeing them at their peak between the 98-01 period.

RMCF · 17-06-2006, 3:21 PM

I was also a bif miffed not to see Trezuguet used v Swiss.

Mainly because I have him in my fantasy team!! But he is also a proven goalscorer and France looked so poor upfront.

There are reports that him and Henry are not getting on, and that Henry has so much sway behind the scenes thats the reason Trez watched the game from the bench.

If that is true I'd like nothing better to see France fall at the 1st again.

Silver Arrow · 18-06-2006, 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SOK

I was also a bif miffed not to see Trezuguet used v Swiss.

Mainly because I have him in my fantasy team!! But he is also a proven goalscorer and France looked so poor upfront.

There are reports that him and Henry are not getting on, and that Henry has so much sway behind the scenes thats the reason Trez watched the game from the bench.

If that is true I'd like nothing better to see France fall at the 1st again.

I'd like to see them fall as well, but Henry's goal just now probably means they will scrape through.

Can still only hear the S. Korea fans though. Must be great to be so optomistic!

RMCF · 18-06-2006, 8:58 PM

My man does it again. Another bad miss in front of the keeper like his miss in the CL final.

Cost his team the game at the end. Really glad to see them draw. Especially for those Korean fans - bloody mental!!

Go on Togo!! Send the arrogant git home early!!

overkill · 18-06-2006, 9:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Arrow

I'd like to see them fall as well, but Henry's goal just now probably means they will scrape through.

Can still only hear the S. Korea fans though. Must be great to be so optomistic!

Not really. Would S Korea or the Swiss contribute more? Nope. Still, the way they are playing you may get your wish. They committed self destruct - again.

dixiboy2 · 18-06-2006, 9:31 PM

I've thought Wiltord has been past it since his last season with Arsenic. He has no flair or ideas any more. He doesn't do the runs he once did and his decision making is awful.

Eddy. · 01-07-2006, 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SOK

My man does it again. Another bad miss in front of the keeper like his miss in the CL final.

Cost his team the game at the end. Really glad to see them draw. Especially for those Korean fans - bloody mental!!

Go on Togo!! Send the arrogant git home early!!

...You were saying?

overkill · 01-07-2006, 9:10 PM

Exactly!