[RMCF]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ht/5037494.stm

[Miyazaki]

TBH it is a bit of a travesty having 3rd place teams there, let alone 5th!

[Steven]

I thought no one would care if I started this thread myself, but it seems I was wrong

Probably would come to nothing anyway so don't get your hopes up....or I may be proved wrong

[RMCF]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

I thought no one would care if I started this thread myself, but it seems I was wrong

Probably would come to nothing anyway so don't get your hopes up....or I may be proved wrong

Seeing Wenger's moaning old face when Arsenal kicked out of CL, and laughing at Henry for not playing at Europe, all in their lovely new stadium - why would no-one be interested!!!!

[OldAndSenile]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

I thought no one would care if I started this thread myself, but it seems I was wrong

Probably would come to nothing anyway so don't get your hopes up....or I may be proved wrong

Not going to happen - football is corrupt the world over, and this isn't going to change a thing.

It makes you wonder though - if the club is dodgy enough to make secret payments to foreign clubs to import players from Africa, how far away is it for them to drop a chef a cheque for 500 quid to take a poop in a lasagne?

[neilios]

lol

[dc007]

Won't happen.

As a memeber of the G14, and with Deins influence, Arsenal will wriggle out of it - if indeed they are guilty.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by dc007

Won't happen.

As a memeber of the G14, and with Deins influence, Arsenal will wriggle out of it - if indeed they are guilty.

They could well be DC. Apparently this was mentioned a few weeks back, and not just one club was said to be involved. The guy who did the report said a "a number of major English clubs are suspected to have been involved in an 'inappropriate way' with smaller clubs in Europe".

Seems Arsenals 'alleged' antics may just be the tip of the iceberg.

Funny how no-one noticed when the Beeb announced this on the radio? Burying of bad news again perhaps?

[DJT75]

Even if Arsenal or any other top 4 team is found to have been a tad naughty, it's not gonna get through the system in time for next seasons Champs League is it? These things take months, years to come to a conclusion so Spurs will have to finish 5th for another few seasons to benefit from any penalty imposed.

[dc007]

If Arsenal were to be excluded form the CL, I think it would be farcical to allow the 5th place team to enter - and I speak as a Spurs supporter. To me it makes sense to just give one of the other genuine qualifiers a bye to the group stages.

As Games Guru said, its a travesty for 3rd place to qualify for Champions League, never mind 5th !

[mrtbag]

Its certainly is a strange situation.

Not only for the money they put into the company 'Goal' who took over the running of FC Beveren, but it's the other bits that go with that.

The whole investigation started because lots of Ivory Coast players from the same accademy went to Beveren. Arsene Wenger is an investor in the academy, and part of the deal is he gets a kick back from players sales. Kolo Toure was bought directly from the academy, so Wenger profited from this transfer. I thyink that's the bit that's against FIFA rules for managers. The loan to Beveren I think they'll get away with.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by dc007

If Arsenal were to be excluded form the CL, I think it would be farcical to allow the 5th place team to enter - and I speak as a Spurs supporter. To me it makes sense to just give one of the other genuine qualifiers a bye to the group stages.

As Games Guru said, its a travesty for 3rd place to qualify for Champions League, never mind 5th !

Agreed DC. To me the whole idea of a 'Champions leauge' (why doesn't someone get on to trade descriptions? ) is that it should be champions taking part. Ie the LC and EC only. Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal should be in the UEFA cup.

A lawyer was on earlier, and he reckons Arsenal have no case to answer, but Wenger could be in for a hefty fine.

[Marc]

none of the football governing bodies, the fa, uefa, fifa have the balls to punish any of the major clubs properly, let alone one in the g14 or whatever it's called, so all that'll happen if they get found guilty is they'll get a fine that one of their youth squad could easily afford to reach into their back pocket and pay.

to be honest though, i've been saying for years that it'd make sense for the bigger clubs to loan money to smaller clubs, rather than go through the charade of having a friendly match and giving all the proceeds to the club, so although i don't really have any love for arsenal, i say good on them in this situation.

[mrtbag]

Originally Posted by Marc

to be honest though, i've been saying for years that it'd make sense for the bigger clubs to loan money to smaller clubs, rather than go through the charade of having a friendly match and giving all the proceeds to the club, so although i don't really have any love for arsenal, i say good on them in this situation.

It's not just about the loaning of money though Marc. If I were an Arsenal fan and knew that Wenger would make money from particular signings, I'd be scepticle as to whether we are sighning somebody for the right reasons. I'm not saying that is the case with Toure, as he is obviously a good player. I just think these people shouldn't be involved in any other aspect of football, other than what Arsenal FC employ them to do.

[OldAndSenile]

Have you actually seen the Beveren squad? Here ... a squad of 30 where about 2/3 are from the Ivory Coast?

What Arsenal are doing is against the rules of football, no doubt, but its definitely not professional and it's definitely dodgy enough for them to have catagorically denied anything to do with it up until yesterday afternoon?

Oh -- and their manager is called "Ed de Bolle", which made me chuckle..

[overkill]

Originally Posted by OldAndSenile

Have you actually seen the Beveren squad? Here ... a squad of 30 where about 2/3 are from the Ivory Coast?

What Arsenal are doing is against the rules of football, no doubt, but its definitely not professional and it's definitely dodgy enough for them to have catagorically denied anything to do with it up until yesterday afternoon?

Oh -- and their manager is called "Ed de Bolle", which made me chuckle..

Actually it isn't. The coaching staff can recruit from wherever they like. There is no FIFA rule stopping them doing that. There is also no rule stopping big clubs using others as 'nurseries'. Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea all have such clubs in Europe. Where it gets 'dodgy' is when a player arrives at the 'parent club' for a fee no way refective of his current market value and when the head coach of said youth side is - Arsene Wenger. The latter can be construed as a 'conflict of interests', the former as effectively 'insider trading'. Both of which are under investigation.

Arsenal's denial concerned a loan to the club, and the fact that Arsenal does not have a controlling interest in Beveren. It made no mention of the use of the club as a nursery for Ivory Coast players. The sports lawyer mentioned above, said that on this score Arsenal have no worries.

[maix27]

i find this really interesting, i'm actually quite excited to see what will happen. The main thing that gets me, well, two actually.

One is that the cheque is signed by David Dein, and he has already said it never happened and has been proved a liar, in black and white. What does this say about his position in the FA: corruption, liing, general dodgery, how does he still have his job? The man has way too much say and abuses his position way too much.

Secondly, the two faced-ness of arsenal, 'chelsea are making illegal aproaches for A Cole,' Hello???

I want them to throw the book at em', but two things will happen. One, our rules will be change to accomodate the bunch of foreigners or Dien will come up with other clubs who have done the same (which im sure there will be) to take the pressure off Arsenal.

Essentially, nothing will happen, but i'd like to see Dien get a bollocking because he's a smarmy git and i dont like the way he opperates.

I blame him for the next 6-10 years of miserable english football at the hands of 'yes man' Maclaren, all because Dien didn't like being told the truth by Allerdyce (who is certainly the better man for the job).

Rant over!!! What do yuo guys reckon?

[overkill]

Originally Posted by maix27

i find this really interesting, i'm actually quite excited to see what will happen. The main thing that gets me, well, two actually.

One is that the cheque is signed by David Dein, and he has already said it never happened and has been proved a liar, in black and white. What does this say about his position in the FA: corruption, liing, general dodgery, how does he still have his job? The man has way too much say and abuses his position way too much.

Secondly, the two faced-ness of arsenal, 'chelsea are making illegal aproaches for A Cole,' Hello???

I want them to throw the book at em', but two things will happen. One, our rules will be change to accomodate the bunch of foreigners or Dien will come up with other clubs who have done the same (which im sure there will be) to take the pressure off Arsenal.

Essentially, nothing will happen, but i'd like to see Dien get a bollocking because he's a smarmy git and i dont like the way he opperates.

I blame him for the next 6-10 years of miserable english football at the hands of 'yes man' Maclaren, all because Dien didn't like being told the truth by Allerdyce (who is certainly the better man for the job).

Rant over!!! What do yuo guys reckon?

Erm, yes, well. First when it comes to Dein I would agree. I cannot stand the man. He's a greasy, lying slimeball who I'd love to send packing to a team that deserves him. Perhaps Utd or Spurs?

Second, this in no way compares to making a bare faced illegal approach to a player with such breathtaking arrogance it had to be seen to be believed.

Last I don't think Big Sam would have got within a million miles of the England job Dein or no Dein. First, he fails the most important test of any post Ramsey England manager, that being he's not enough of a 'yes man', and second he's not got enough experience at the highest level. Maybe if Bolton had progressed in Europe he would have been in there but not at the moment.

Besides our xenophobic press picked 'an Englishman' as England manager not the FA. They had the right man, then our right wing press scared him off!

[Steven]

Ladies...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5040448.stm

[Steven]

Dein voted off FA Board...

In favour of Gill

I suppose the Spurs lot will shut up with the bias and conspiracy theories, so us lot along with the Arsenal and Chelski lot to grumble in future

[mrtbag]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

I suppose the Spurs lot will shut up with the bias and conspiracy theories, so us lot along with the Arsenal and Chelski lot to grumble in future

Nope, I think he'll be just as bad. If he'd been appointed 3 weeks ago, Rooney wouldn't be anywhere near the world cup.

[Marc]

i'm a man utd supporter, and i was against Dein as an FA board member as much as anyone, especially after the old trafford incident that saw so many of arsenal players banned, but for the bans to be delayed and delayed until they coincided with arsenals easiest 3 games of the season; so it'll be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of seasons with Gill on the board instead.. personally i don't think any representative of a club in the premier league should also sit on the board of the organisation that runs it! If Arsenal loaning money to Beveren is a conflict of interests, then surely that is too?

[RMCF]

If I was an English fan, I'd be gutted about Dein leaving now.

If he had left a couple of months ago, you all might have Wenger as England manager instead of McLaren.

[dc007]

[QUOTE=LFC_SL]Dein voted off FA Board...

In favour of Gill

[QUOTE]


Out of the frying pan...

[po_man]

I've gotta say that i'm over the moon that Dein's been voted off. I agree that probably he had too much influence on the board and i also agree with overkill's sentiments - he really is a complete slimeball! The best thing he ever did was get Wenger to the club and for that reason alone he deserves to be at Arsenal in some capacity (although he is still the Vice Chairman).

[po_man]

Originally Posted by SOK

If I was an English fan, I'd be gutted about Dein leaving now.

If he had left a couple of months ago, you all might have Wenger as England manager instead of McLaren.

To be fair, Dein or no Dein, i don't think there was ever any chance of Wenger becoming the England Manager. Wenger always stated that he'd honour his Arsenal contract.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by po_man

To be fair, Dein or no Dein, i don't think there was ever any chance of Wenger becoming the England Manager. Wenger always stated that he'd honour his Arsenal contract.

Agreed. He's always stated that only one international job interests him, and that's France. Which is his likely next destination.

I think it's a conspiracy theory to far to suggest he was going to change his mind on that one.

Originally Posted by overkill

Agreed. He's always stated that only one international job interests him, and that's France. Which is his likely next destination.

I think it's a conspiracy theory to far to suggest he was going to change his mind on that one.

when he goes to france.. they'll possibly play the sort of football they've been promising for the last 12 years

[RMCF]

Originally Posted by doink

when he goes to france.. they'll possibly play the sort of football they've been promising for the last 12 years

Its just a shame that Wenger never had the chance to be in charge of Zidane, Petit, Deschamps, Blanc, etc. And even if he does take the France job Henry might well be nearly the end or even finished by then.