Carrick & Gerrard tonight

DJT75 · 01-03-2006, 2:38 PM

Anyone else looking forward to seeing Carrick & Gerrard together tonight??(albeit a friendly & probably only for 45 mins).

After Gerrard missed THAT game in which King & Lampard played together, everyone was crapping on about how that was the solution & England had to move on withour pairing Gerrard & Lampard & choice just one of them - meaning Lampard.

What people failed to realise that night was had it been Gerrard playing & not Lampard we would've seen Gerrard in full flow & evenyone would've forgotten about Lampard. Don't get me wrong, Lampard's a great player, he scores goals & there's no reason why they can't play together IMO, but people were forgetting who is the best all round midfielder on the planet & the fact that Beckham should be dropped before either of them..

Anyway, hope Gerrard proves me right & I hope Carrick has a blinder cos I think he's good enough to go to these finals as our holding alternative when we require one...

thfccambs · 01-03-2006, 2:57 PM

I prefer not to see Gerrard and Lampard in the same starting 11.Too much alike,would rather play Carrick or Parker to sit and let Either Gerrard or Lampard push forward more.

Looking forward to tonight games as a few spurs player in the squad and Darren Bent(huntingdon boy) getting his full debut.

Opticon · 01-03-2006, 3:05 PM

I agree, Gerrard is at his best when he has the midfield cover behind him to allow hime to push forwards. And IMO, he is a better midfielder than Lampard when this is the case.

2010 · 01-03-2006, 3:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJT75

Don't get me wrong, Lampard's a great player, he scores goals & there's no reason why they can't play together IMO, but people were forgetting who is the best all round midfielder on the planet

Best all round midfielder on the planet, that is Lampard isn't it

fantastic dan · 01-03-2006, 3:33 PM

Lampard is a fantastic player going forward but i think he lacks a bit of ability going back where as gerrard would run the length of the pitch for you all day.

When Lampard is playing along side Gerrard i feel that Gerrard has to spend too much time covering how far lampard is up the pitch. Lampard is spoiled a bit at Chelsea because he knows he has Makalele behind him the whole time.

dc007 · 01-03-2006, 4:01 PM

Play Lampard... or play Gerrard.

Why do they both have to play ?! Play one, if he has a bad game drop him and play the other - keep both on their toes.

Both are brilliant, but too alike. They can't play their natural games together because they both want to run into the same spaces, etc.

It's a tough decision but has to be made. Remember when we had Clemence and Shilton ? Greenwood couldn't seperate them so alternated them in matches. Then Robson came in and chose Shilton, stuck with him. Clemence was consigned to the bench.

If Ericsson was in charge in the 70's we'd have had Shilton or Clemence playing fullback, just to accomodate the pair of them !

2010 · 01-03-2006, 4:07 PM

Which is why I think Gerrard should play the more holding role allowing lampard to get forward.
I think the main problem England have regarding the midfield is that Lampard & Gerrard are often not imposing themselves in games because Beckham's passing is bypassing them.

Anyone that says they can't be played together is talking nonsense, you have to play your strongest individuals.

mrtbag · 01-03-2006, 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010

...you have to play your strongest individuals.

No. You have to play your strongest 'Team'. That does not always equate to the best 11 players in the country.

Opticon · 01-03-2006, 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010

Which is why I think Gerrard should play the more holding role allowing lampard to get forward.
I think the main problem England have regarding the midfield is that Lampard & Gerrard are often not imposing themselves in games because Beckham's passing is bypassing them.

Anyone that says they can't be played together is talking nonsense, you have to play your strongest individuals.

I also disagree, as mrtbag says, you have to play your strongest team, and as big a fan of Gerrard as i am, he simply isn't the best holding midfielder we have. He should play either Gerrard or Lampard, with a holding midfielder such as Carrick, or King in behind them. I would agree with you about Beckham's passing bypassing the midfield though, which is why he shouldn't be playing at all!

DJT75 · 01-03-2006, 4:37 PM

[QUOTE=2010]Which is why I think Gerrard should play the more holding role allowing lampard to get forward.
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Who's better at going forward? In fact who's better on all fronts other than penalty taking? Steven Gerrard, so play him there & either find Lampard a position that suits or don't play him....

This is exactly what I was talking abot at the top of the thread, I'm glad to see Gerrard having a run out tonight without Lampard & hopefully people will realise that Lampard isn't the best attacking option we have.

However, Gerrard could play anywhere on the pitch & still out-shine 95% of the team

2010 · 01-03-2006, 4:50 PM

DJT75 are you Mark Lawrenson?

DJT75 · 01-03-2006, 5:15 PM

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DJT75 are you Mark Lawrenson?

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**KevD** · 01-03-2006, 5:22 PM

Lampard and Gerard can play together, there is no doubt. The question is wheather you get the best out of either of them.
Do they hesitate for a second to see if the other is covering them, at there clubs they don't have to do this and is why they are so successful.
As much as like Joe Cole, if a midfielder wa to make way it would be him and the team would play 4-1-3-2 with Carrick or Parker in front of a Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham midfield, relying on the full backs to help out wide. Its not like Cole or Beckham are "wingers", they spend most of there time cutting inside.

But I am happy with the way things if they stay that way

Sick Boy · 01-03-2006, 5:29 PM

Gerrard should get the nod over Lampard every time. Lampard is a luxury, and against good teams you need 2 in the middle who can control the game. Lampard just rids the team of Gerrards attacking abilities.

Looking foward to seeing Carrick, but it will prove nothing to SGE. He will play Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard and Cole

in the middle. And they will all want to play in the centre midfield role. And he will let them. Cant wait for him to leave.

Anyone else think Joe Cole should be a sub all the time? A player to change the game only. Pointless being on the left if you ask me.

2010 · 01-03-2006, 6:07 PM

Lampard scored 3 goals in 4 games during Euro '04, thats hardly a luxury.
I do agree that J Cole can make an impact as a sub but he has acquited himself well down the left, although I always liked the idea of A. Cole & Bridge overlapping eachother on the left but that was never really given a chance.

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