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I don't believe it!

I am a little behind on reading the news, but England pick Udal for the test team to India??!! Why??

Looking at the other possibles there seems to be a case to take two of this three, but this clearly isn't going to happen now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...nd/4614664.stm

[la gran siete]

why is it that leg spinners are not produced here?

[Ian J]

Udal has been picked as on current form he is probably the best spinner around. He may be 37 but John Emburey was still taking wickets for England at 40

Another option open to Duncan Fletcher is not to take another spinner but to use Michael Vaughan's occasional offspin more. Monty Panasar may be the best spinner out of the remainder but he's a shocking batsman and a liability in the field too.

In answer to facundo's question about legspinners - we do produce some legspinners but none that are of international class. I don't know why the counties don't encourage more legspin as Warne and McGill from Australia, Kaneria and Afridi from Pakistan and Kumble from India are all proven matchwinners, especially playing over here.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Udal has been picked as on current form he is probably the best spinner around. He may be 37 but John Emburey was still taking wickets for England at 40

Another option open to Duncan Fletcher is not to take another spinner but to use Michael Vaughan's occasional offspin more. Monty Panasar may be the best spinner out of the remainder but he's a shocking batsman and a liability in the field too.

In answer to facundo's question about legspinners - we do produce some legspinners but none that are of international class. I don't know why the counties don't encourage more legspin as Warne and McGill from Australia, Kaneria and Afridi from Pakistan and Kumble from India are all proven matchwinners, especially playing over here.

Is it something to do with our pitches? Who was the last decent legspinner we produced?

[la gran siete]

Apparently Monty has been working on his batting out in Australia

[Ian J]

Neither Chris Schofield nor Ian Salisbury who both played for England in recent years set the world alight and I can't remember a leggie prior to them.

Covered pitches and English weather certainly makes life hard for finger spinners here but New Zealand with similar conditions have managed to produce Daniel Vettori so perhaps we just don't try hard enough.

I have also read that Monty Panasar has been practicing his batting and fielding but it does bring back memories of Phil Tufnell and his antics in the field and with a bat.

[Lex]

It's a shame that the Somerset lad Ian Blackwell has not progressed to Test standard. He certainly has the talent, but it seems not the attitude... a spinning all-rounder would be a big assett.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Neither Chris Schofield nor Ian Salisbury who both played for England in recent years set the world alight and I can't remember a leggie prior to them.

Covered pitches and English weather certainly makes life hard for finger spinners here but New Zealand with similar conditions have managed to produce Daniel Vettori so perhaps we just don't try hard enough.

I have also read that Monty Panasar has been practicing his batting and fielding but it does bring back memories of Phil Tufnell and his antics in the field and with a bat.

Tuffers certainly amused the Aussies out in the field who were quite merciless with him. I forget the comments they use to throw at him

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Originally Posted by Ian J

Udal has been picked as on current form he is probably the best spinner around.

I still reckon a bit too much short termism thinking for my liking.

Udal is unlikely to be a match winner for us so why not take a couple of the youngsters to see if they have the potential to develope into one for us.

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Well Monty has been chosen now and Blackwell is looking likely to go as well with Giles injury keeping him out.

Monty has spent the last two months down under improving his batting and fielding ...one day he will even be as good as Tuffers

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

Tuffers certainly amused the Aussies out in the field who were quite merciless with him. I forget the comments they use to throw at him

They made up huge banners about "The Tufnell School of Fielding"

It should be interesting to see if England intend to drop one of the batsmen to accomodate a second spinner in the side or whether we we will be going in one light on the seam front.

Our "standard" team for English type conditions would be Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell, Pietersen, Flintoff, Geraint Jones, Udal, Hoggard, Harmison, Simon Jones with Collingwood dropped despite his heroics in the third test against Pakistan in order to accomodate the fit again Simon Jones.

Assuming that England wish to play two front line spinners who would you drop from the above lineup to accomodate the untried Monty Panesar as my own feeing is that I would rather see Collingwood in the side first and the most expendable batsman is one of our supposed matchwinners - Pietersen.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Ian J

They made up huge banners about "The Tufnell School of Fielding"

It should be interesting to see if England intend to drop one of the batsmen to accomodate a second spinner in the side or whether we we will be going in one light on the seam front.

Our "standard" team for English type conditions would be Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell, Pietersen, Flintoff, Geraint Jones, Udal, Hoggard, Harmison, Simon Jones with Collingwood dropped despite his heroics in the third test against Pakistan in order to accomodate the fit again Simon Jones.

Assuming that England wish to play two front line spinners who would you drop from the above lineup to accomodate the untried Monty Panesar as my own feeing is that I would rather see Collingwood in the side first and the most expendable batsman is one of our supposed matchwinners - Pietersen.

It was some comment about being an idiot . quite cruel really but he took it in good heart

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Originally Posted by Ian J

They made up huge banners about "The Tufnell School of Fielding"

It should be interesting to see if England intend to drop one of the batsmen to accomodate a second spinner in the side or whether we we will be going in one light on the seam front.

Our "standard" team for English type conditions would be Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell, Pietersen, Flintoff, Geraint Jones, Udal, Hoggard, Harmison, Simon Jones with Collingwood dropped despite his heroics in the third test against Pakistan in order to accomodate the fit again Simon Jones.

Assuming that England wish to play two front line spinners who would you drop from the above lineup to accomodate the untried Monty Panesar as my own feeing is that I would rather see Collingwood in the side first and the most expendable batsman is one of our supposed matchwinners - Pietersen.

I guess they will go with two spinners, but personally I'd stick with the 4 man pace attack that has been so successful over the last year or so.

It would be different if the spinners were potential match winners, but clearly they are not in that league at the moment.

I'd pick Monty as the spinner (despite not having seen him play) over Udal (who I have seen ).

Batting wise your guess is as good as anyones - none of them inspire much confidence at the moment.

[la gran siete]

yes i would pick Monty . He has to be blooded sometime and why not there. As for the bastting ? i'd always go for boldnes s Peitersen would be my choice

[KevD]

I think we need to bring Monty through as Udal will play in India and thats his lot for Int. Cricket, The King Of Spain won't go on much more and we need someone to support then replace him.
Loudon/Dalrymple in the "A" squad aren't good enough spinners (in saying that I haven't seen Panasar but his stats are much more favourabe) although can maybe contribute in a more all-round position bu where do you fit them in.
I agree with Ian that at the moment Giles should be supported by Vaughan.