MMA Discussion Thread XIV

DrPhil · 28-05-2012, 4:46 PM

Off we go again.

DrPhil · 28-05-2012, 4:49 PM

PS Bigstu, Kalib Starnes vs Alan Belcher. Doctor stopped the fight between rounds because of a cut on Starnes forehead. I remember either the doctor or one of the cornermen saying that the cut was so deep he could see the skull!

BigStu1972 · 28-05-2012, 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

PS Bigstu, Kalib Starnes vs Alan Belcher. Doctor stopped the fight between rounds because of a cut on Starnes forehead. I remember either the doctor or one of the cornermen saying that the cut was so deep he could see the skull!

I remember that now but stops in MMA due to cuts are not as frequent as they are in boxing. I sometimes wonder whether the guy checking the cut is in fact Dana White in disguise

DrPhil · 28-05-2012, 5:03 PM

Definitely bit as common as boxing. Thankfully.

I was just thinking before the other night that I hadn't seen a cut stoppage in ages.

Remember Koscheck vs Lytle and Penn bs Stevenson? 2 of the bloodiest fights I've even seen. There's a picture of Stevenson (easily found on google images) of him on his hands and knees after the loss, face completely scarlet with blood, and crying. Not one for the squeamish.

Struve vs Stonjic was another epic bloodbath.

MonkeyPrince · 28-05-2012, 5:03 PM

Bigfoots eyes are so deep-set they were like egg cups filling with blood.

I never saw the actual cut, but WOW it was a gusher

He might have had a slim chance if he could stand, but it was a dangerous place to be blind; on his back with Cain dropping bombs

andywiltshire · 28-05-2012, 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Definitely bit as common as boxing. Thankfully.

I was just thinking before the other night that I hadn't seen a cut stoppage in ages.

Remember Koscheck vs Lytle and Penn bs Stevenson? 2 of the bloodiest fights I've even seen. There's a picture of Stevenson (easily found on google images) of him on his hands and knees after the loss, face completely scarlet with blood, and crying. Not one for the squeamish.

Struve vs Stonjic was another epic bloodbath.

Bj penn vs Diego Sanchez was a stoppage wasn't it?

DrPhil · 28-05-2012, 6:27 PM

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Bj penn vs Diego Sanchez was a stoppage wasn't it?

Think you're right. That was a crazy cut. BJ's leg was on the way down again and the blood started streaming. Looked amazing in the slo mo replay.

Moldiver · 28-05-2012, 10:19 PM

That's Mayhem retired now, announced it on the MMA Hour.

Raj24v · 29-05-2012, 2:38 AM

Although not UFC, Diaz was stopped via a cut against KJ Noons too.

LCR_Dave · 29-05-2012, 7:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Moldiver

That's Mayhem retired now, announced it on the MMA Hour.

good job, hes cut from the ufc anyway

Boris360 · 29-05-2012, 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigStu1972

I remember that now but stops in MMA due to cuts are not as frequent as they are in boxing. I sometimes wonder whether the guy checking the cut is in fact Dana White in disguise

When you mentioned cuts, the fight that immediately came to mind was Belfort vs Eastman. I've just watched it again and it was actually a TKO, not a cut stoppage. If it had not been a TKO though, what do you think the chances of the doctor letting him continue with this cut? It has to be the worst one I've ever seen in MMA.

Ps. I think Belfort vs Couture was stopped due to a
cut on the eyelid but I can't remember who was cut.

DrPhil · 29-05-2012, 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris360

When you mentioned cuts, the fight that immediately came to mind was Belfort vs Eastman. I've just watched it again and it was actually a TKO, not a cut stoppage. If it had not been a TKO though, what do you think the chances of the doctor letting him continue with this cut? It has to be the worst one I've ever seen in MMA.

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIUqvNMBsu8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Ps. I think Belfort vs Couture was stopped due to a
cut on the eyelid but I can't remember who was cut.

No way it would have continued. That cut was actually very similar to Starnes cut against Belcher, except Eastman's was worse.

It was Couture who lost in that fight, losing the HW title in the process. I thought it was actually a cut/scratch to the surface of the cornea from the edge of Belfort's glove. I could be wrong though.

Speaking of Belfort, he has broken his hand in training so he is out of the 147 main event against W Silva, the coaches fight for TUF Brazil. Wanderlei has branded him unprofessional and a coward!

Razor · 30-05-2012, 1:44 PM

Just read the payouts for last weekends fight. Cain got paid more than JDS which seems a bit unfair seeing as JDS is the champ.

UFC 146 Salaries: Heavyweights Dos Santos, Mir, Velasquez Lead Payroll with $200,000 Purses

DrPhil · 30-05-2012, 1:52 PM

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Just read the payouts for last weekends fight. Cain got paid more than JDS which seems a bit unfair seeing as JDS is the champ.

UFC 146 Salaries: Heavyweights Dos Santos, Mir, Velasquez Lead Payroll with $200,000 Purses

He didn't get more, they both got $200k.

Bear in mind that Cain got $100k basic and $100k win bonus while JDS got $200k basic. The fact that JDS didn't get a win bonus suggests that his contract includes a cut of PPV revenue so he will end up with more than $200k.

Razor · 30-05-2012, 2:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

He didn't get more, they both got $200k.

Bear in mind that Cain got $100k basic and $100k win bonus while JDS got $200k basic. The fact that JDS didn't get a win bonus suggests that his contract includes a cut of PPV revenue so he will end up with more than $200k.

I see I thought he got $200,000 plus another $100,000. I didn't know they also got a cut of the ppv revenue. Any ideas how much JDS would of made that night?

DrPhil · 30-05-2012, 2:55 PM

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I see I thought he got $200,000 plus another $100,000. I didn't know they also got a cut of the ppv revenue. Any ideas how much JDS would of made that night?

Not all fighters get a PPV cut but when you see a fighter at the top of the scale not getting a win bonus it usually indicates that they are on a PPV cut deal.

No idea if JDS definitely is, or what his percentages are.

Brock Lesnar's basic pay at UFC 100 was (I think) $400k. Once sponsors and his PPV cut from the 1.6m buys went on, it is rumoured that he made about $4M.

repoman · 30-05-2012, 4:15 PM

Dan Hardy made 120k out of that night. Not a bad living!

Razor · 30-05-2012, 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Not all fighters get a PPV cut but when you see a fighter at the top of the scale not getting a win bonus it usually indicates that they are on a PPV cut deal.

No idea if JDS definitely is, or what his percentages are.

Brock Lesnar's basic pay at UFC 100 was (I think) $400k. Once sponsors and his PPV cut from the 1.6m buys went on, it is rumoured that he made about $4M.

Wow, $4m is a nice pay out.

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Dan Hardy made 120k out of that night. Not a bad living!

Not bad at all. I wonder how much goes to their trainers/coaches etc....

repoman · 30-05-2012, 4:50 PM

I heard it was about 6k but I guess it depends on the camp and length of time.

djcla · 30-05-2012, 9:06 PM

Franklin has stepped in for belfort at 147 excuse me if I don't get excited about that one

... It's about as exciting as watching Tito fight griffin again. The card was already weak , for me with all the fighters they have you would expect decent cards and fights.

DrPhil · 30-05-2012, 11:43 PM

Franklin as usual the company man who'll do anything he is asked.

In fairness their first fight was good, and a close decision that some felt Silva should have got.

Crimson Monkee · 31-05-2012, 9:13 AM

I'm a fan of Franklin, but the reality is that his best days are behind him.

I think both fighters are pretty irrelevant in the current climate, but maybe that might make for a more interesting fight, fingers crossed.

repoman · 31-05-2012, 9:32 AM

Oh god... 147 looks awful.

djcla · 31-05-2012, 10:35 AM

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Oh god... 147 looks awful.

There are some poor cards coming up

djcla · 31-05-2012, 11:54 AM

Anyone else seen Cole Konrad fight before he is the Bellator HW champ. He is a massive guy probably around 285lbs and has a very good wrestling background . I wonder if he could challenge in the UFC ?

DrPhil · 31-05-2012, 12:30 PM

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Anyone else seen Cole Konrad fight before he is the Bellator HW champ. He is a massive guy probably around 285lbs and has a very good wrestling background . I wonder if he could challenge in the UFC ?

I know he trained with Brock a lot. Never seen him fight though.

djcla · 31-05-2012, 12:37 PM

Bellator 70 highlight should be on YouTube he was on that

IL Cattivo · 31-05-2012, 12:54 PM

Thought UFC 146 was a great event. Couple of very quick stoppages from the Sky Scraper and Big Country, whom i'm really warming too of late after having watched a couple of his fights now.

JDS is a bit of a stand up animal isn't he...

Must say I do like these Heavyweight events, as very rarely do any of them go the distance.

What a mess BigFoot was at the end of his fight. Thought the guy couldn't get any uglier

djcla · 31-05-2012, 1:12 PM

Someone on here mentioned a long while ago least i think they did, that if you were a complete master of one martial art then you should not need any others . I was thinking that is JDS a prime example of this as he seems to be a master boxer and is so quick on his feet that he does not need any other skillsets like BJJ etc.

BigStu1972 · 31-05-2012, 1:52 PM

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Someone on here mentioned a long while ago least i think they did, that if you were a complete master of one martial art then you should not need any others . I was thinking that is JDS a prime example of this as he seems to be a master boxer and is so quick on his feet that he does not need any other skillsets like BJJ etc.

I remember having a conversation with someone as they said that MMA fighters were jack of all trades and master of none and I countered that with examples of fighters, like GSP, who held multiple black belts.

As for JDS, he does have good boxing skills but he is also a Brown belt in BJJ and clearly has good takedown defense to keep all his fights standing which means he must have trained wrestling, at least defensively.

If he was only a boxer, Mir would have taken him down and then taken his arm home with him

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DrPhil Illustrious Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Donegal, Ireland Blog Entries: 20 Thanks: Gave 2,018, Got 3,129 Posts: 17,633	PS Bigstu, Kalib Starnes vs Alan Belcher. Doctor stopped the fight between rounds because of a cut on Starnes forehead. I remember either the doctor or one of the cornermen saying that the cut was so deep he could see the skull!

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DrPhil Illustrious Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Donegal, Ireland Blog Entries: 20 Thanks: Gave 2,018, Got 3,129 Posts: 17,633	Definitely bit as common as boxing. Thankfully. I was just thinking before the other night that I hadn't seen a cut stoppage in ages. Remember Koscheck vs Lytle and Penn bs Stevenson? 2 of the bloodiest fights I've even seen. There's a picture of Stevenson (easily found on google images) of him on his hands and knees after the loss, face completely scarlet with blood, and crying. Not one for the squeamish. Struve vs Stonjic was another epic bloodbath.

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MonkeyPrince Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Buckingham Thanks: Gave 208, Got 229 Posts: 1,044	Bigfoots eyes are so deep-set they were like egg cups filling with blood. I never saw the actual cut, but WOW it was a gusher He might have had a slim chance if he could stand, but it was a dangerous place to be blind; on his back with Cain dropping bombs

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Moldiver Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sorn Thanks: Gave 205, Got 100 Posts: 2,150	That's Mayhem retired now, announced it on the MMA Hour.

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Raj24v Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: W. London Thanks: Gave 53, Got 89 Posts: 1,052	Although not UFC, Diaz was stopped via a cut against KJ Noons too.

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Razor Preeminent Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Thanks: Gave 3,828, Got 5,870 Posts: 33,814	Just read the payouts for last weekends fight. Cain got paid more than JDS which seems a bit unfair seeing as JDS is the champ. UFC 146 Salaries: Heavyweights Dos Santos, Mir, Velasquez Lead Payroll with $200,000 Purses

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repoman Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Thanks: Gave 1, Got 38 Posts: 424	Dan Hardy made 120k out of that night. Not a bad living!

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repoman Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Thanks: Gave 1, Got 38 Posts: 424	I heard it was about 6k but I guess it depends on the camp and length of time.

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djcla Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Thanks: Gave 285, Got 168 Posts: 5,178	Franklin has stepped in for belfort at 147 excuse me if I don't get excited about that one ... It's about as exciting as watching Tito fight griffin again. The card was already weak , for me with all the fighters they have you would expect decent cards and fights.

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DrPhil Illustrious Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Donegal, Ireland Blog Entries: 20 Thanks: Gave 2,018, Got 3,129 Posts: 17,633	Franklin as usual the company man who'll do anything he is asked. In fairness their first fight was good, and a close decision that some felt Silva should have got.

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Crimson Monkee Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Thanks: Gave 112, Got 184 Posts: 432	I'm a fan of Franklin, but the reality is that his best days are behind him. I think both fighters are pretty irrelevant in the current climate, but maybe that might make for a more interesting fight, fingers crossed.

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repoman Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Thanks: Gave 1, Got 38 Posts: 424	Oh god... 147 looks awful.

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djcla Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Thanks: Gave 285, Got 168 Posts: 5,178	Anyone else seen Cole Konrad fight before he is the Bellator HW champ. He is a massive guy probably around 285lbs and has a very good wrestling background . I wonder if he could challenge in the UFC ?

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djcla Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Thanks: Gave 285, Got 168 Posts: 5,178	Bellator 70 highlight should be on YouTube he was on that

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IL Cattivo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sad Hill Cemetary Thanks: Gave 143, Got 222 Posts: 2,279	Thought UFC 146 was a great event. Couple of very quick stoppages from the Sky Scraper and Big Country, whom i'm really warming too of late after having watched a couple of his fights now. JDS is a bit of a stand up animal isn't he... Must say I do like these Heavyweight events, as very rarely do any of them go the distance. What a mess BigFoot was at the end of his fight. Thought the guy couldn't get any uglier

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djcla Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Thanks: Gave 285, Got 168 Posts: 5,178	Someone on here mentioned a long while ago least i think they did, that if you were a complete master of one martial art then you should not need any others . I was thinking that is JDS a prime example of this as he seems to be a master boxer and is so quick on his feet that he does not need any other skillsets like BJJ etc.

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