[mooperman]

To be fair, i also back BJ's induction.... he is a UFC legend and has been around for ages, would also back up a call for Rich Franklin as well.

When i think UFC i still think of:

Royce Gracie
Kimo (bizarrely but that could be because he walked in carrying a crucifix!)
Chuck Liddell
tito ortiz
Randy Couture
Ken Shamrock
GSP
Anderson Silva
Matt Hughes
Rich Franklin
BJ Penn

dont get me wrong, i dont think the likes of Kimo should be put into the HOF, its just an image that springs to mind when i think "UFC"....

[BigStu1972]

Originally Posted by mooperman

To be fair, i also back BJ's induction.... he is a UFC legend and has been around for ages, would also back up a call for Rich Franklin as well.

When i think UFC i still think of:

Royce Gracie
Kimo (bizarrely but that could be because he walked in carrying a crucifix!)
Chuck Liddell
tito ortiz
Randy Couture
Ken Shamrock
GSP
Anderson Silva
Matt Hughes
Rich Franklin
BJ Penn

dont get me wrong, i dont think the likes of Kimo should be put into the HOF, its just an image that springs to mind when i think "UFC"....

Kimo was also the first person to really push Royce in a fight but yeah he wasn't that great.
When I think of those early UFC's and "no Hold Bared" fights in general I always think of Paul Varleans aka The Polar Bear. That guy took some serious punishment in his MMA career. Marco Ruas destroyed his legs to the point that Varleans couldnt walk and collapsed and Mark Kerr, in a Vale Tudo fight, Knee'd Varleans repeatedly in the head whilst Varleans was on his back
Me and a mate of mine would often joke that Varleans was probably the worst Ultimate fighter ever.

[Boris360]

Originally Posted by BigStu1972

Me and a mate of mine would often joke that Varleans was probably the worst Ultimate fighter ever.

I'll see your Paul Varleans and raise you a Fred Ettish.

[DrPhil]

Joe Son!

[mooperman]

Originally Posted by BigStu1972

Kimo was also the first person to really push Royce in a fight but yeah he wasn't that great.
When I think of those early UFC's and "no Hold Bared" fights in general I always think of Paul Varleans aka The Polar Bear. That guy took some serious punishment in his MMA career. Marco Ruas destroyed his legs to the point that Varleans couldnt walk and collapsed and Mark Kerr, in a Vale Tudo fight, Knee'd Varleans repeatedly in the head whilst Varleans was on his back
Me and a mate of mine would often joke that Varleans was probably the worst Ultimate fighter ever.

i always remember gracie hanging onto kimo's ponytail for what seemed like an age!!!!

Must admit, never saw a lot of the vale tudo stuff..

[MonkeyPrince]

Struve v Miocic in the main event of UFC Fuel 5 in Nottingham

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MonkeyPrince

Struve v Miocic in the main event of UFC Fuel 5 in Nottingham

Not a bad fight actually, but certainly nit a main event. I'm still optimistic (can't believe I'm saying this) that Bisping makes the card against Stann or someone similar.

[DrPhil]

LOL, Titan Fighting Championships have announced that Rumble Johnson's next fight will be at 205...

[DrPhil]

How ironic that we just had a spammer (now deleted) advertising weight loss products, when I've just posted about Rumble Johnson!

[MonkeyPrince]

Even Sky have it on their website now
http://www1.skysports.com/other-spor...or-Miocic-test

As predicted, Paul Daley has signed for Bellator

[tompop]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL, Titan Fighting Championships have announced that Rumble Johnson's next fight will be at 205...

Why didn't he do that in the ufc...he should of gone up the weight classes earlier. He thought at 170 in the ufc didn't he???

[djcla]

As predicted, Paul Daley has signed for Bellator

good news I like bellator and they are slowly building a decent brand

[tompop]

Originally Posted by djcla

good news I like bellator and they are slowly building a decent brand

Until the ufc purchases them anyway. They are turning into Microsoft.

[LCR_Dave]

hey guys not sure if your up to speed on bob sapp situation but hes basically been taking fights everywhere and losing in seconds mainly tapping to strikes, check this latest one out, he actually looks like hes trying but its hilarious like a big fat drunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=MYYKGr9OSCU

Bob "Tap" Sapp

[y2k]

Originally Posted by LCR_Dave

hey guys not sure if your up to speed on bob sapp situation but hes basically been taking fights everywhere and losing in seconds mainly tapping to strikes, check this latest one out, he actually looks like hes trying but its hilarious like a big fat drunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=MYYKGr9OSCU

Bob "Tap" Sapp

Thats the best I've seen him do in a while lol

[MonkeyPrince]

UFC 147 set for massive PPV failure:

http://mmamania.com/2012/6/17/309257...y-per-view-mma

[djcla]

Been watching some highlight vids on youtube of a guy called Imanari , the guy is a monster in the submission game. Just check out the one against mike brown.

[BigStu1972]

Originally Posted by Boris360

I'll see your Paul Varleans and raise you a Fred Ettish.

A lot has been written abotu Fred Ettish since he was humiliated at UFC 2
Fred Ettish: Where Is He Now? - Where Is He Now
Worth read.

As for Joe Son, I loved the fact the Keith Hackeny choked him with a one hand "grip of death" around his throat, oh and those groin strikes.

But I stand by Paul Varleans, as i've never seen anyone take the beatings that he did on numerous occasions.

[repoman]

I've got nothing but love for Paul The Polar Bear. In the early UFCs only two things were certain. Varleans would take a beating and Pat Smith would lose via ankle lock.

[BigStu1972]

Originally Posted by repoman

I've got nothing but love for Paul The Polar Bear. In the early UFCs only two things were certain. Varleans would take a beating and Pat Smith would lose via ankle lock.

Pat Smith also tapped out when Royce mounted him in the final of UFC 2. It was like "how do I get out of this?" S**t I better tap"
MMA sure has evolved a lot since then

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BigStu1972

MMA sure has evolved a lot since then

Apart from the afire mentioned Bob Sapp!

He pretty much taps to takedowns!

[Moldiver]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Apart from the afire mentioned Bob Sapp!

He pretty much taps to takedowns!

Bob Sapp would tap to a heavy breeze sweeping across the cage.

[djcla]

Some thoughts regarding injuries , to many UFC events etc..

So there seems to be more and more injuries at the moment ruining the cards and so meaning re shuffle after reshuffle. So i have an idea why not book fights at less notice say 1/2 months in advance so then limiting the chances of the fighters pulling out? I guess this wont work for commercial reasons but its just a thought.

on the MMAhour Ariel keeps banging on about too many cards and over saturation . I disagree because as a fight fan i want as many cards as possible . I guess my view is different because im not paying stupid money on the PPV's. One of the things that frustrates me is the massive gaps between the fights of the top guys like GSP, JDS, Silva etc etc. i know injuries play a part but even without them it seems to take an age to see them fight again.

[DrPhil]

I don't think that booking fights later works for a number of reasons. First the fighters need time for a long training camp and weight cut.

Secondly as you say, they way to book fights well in advance in order to promote them and sell the tickets.

As for over saturation, I see Helwani's point. I also want to see a many fights as possible, but there isn't the depth in the divisions to cover that many. They either need to reduce the number of events, or reduce the strength of the smaller events to keep the big names for the big events.

I'd rather have weaker (in name) fight night events with stacked PPVs once a month.

[DrPhil]

Paul Sass vs Matt Wiman added to UFC on Fuel 5 (Nottingham)

[djcla]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Paul Sass vs Matt Wiman added to UFC on Fuel 5 (Nottingham)

hmmm not really much of a step up in competition and id expect Sass to get the win. I guess no news on Hardy yet then?

[repoman]

Helwani is probably just sick of all the travel. I want more UFC more of the time.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by djcla

hmmm not really much of a step up in competition and id expect Sass to get the win. I guess no news on Hardy yet then?

I think it's a good match. Wiman is 3-1 in his last 4, but the main thing us he has never been submitted. It's an interesting fight which will tell us if Sass can catch someone much tougher to submit. If not, is he just a 1 trick pony or well rounded enough to survive when the sub doesn't come.

[MonkeyPrince]

I think Hardy v TBA has been announced for Nottingham, as has Che Mills v Duane Ludwig

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MonkeyPrince

I think Hardy v TBA has been announced for Nottingham, as has Che Mills v Duane Ludwig

Despite my tendency to moan about UK cards, this is actually shaping up to be pretty damn good. Low on star names of course, but high on potentially excellent fights.

I'll still probably wait until the last minute and try to snap up a cheap ticket on eBay.