[scanz]

Originally Posted by Basil Plumley

Haye didn't get what he deserved in my opinion - they should have let the fight go on another 12 rounds so he could have had a real pummeling.

Glad he's been exposed for what he is - a fraud. Ali had a gob on him but at least he could back it up with boxing ability. Haye started to **** everybody off - including his own (blind) fans - by staying in the dressing room for 10 minutes and keeping everybody waiting. Who does he think he is? Can you imagine Alex Ferguson keeping Utd in for 10 minutes to wind Dalglish up...?

Haye should now now go and crawl back under the rock from whence he came...****.

But it would have been okay for Klitschko to wait 15 minutes?

There was nothing wrong with waiting in the dressing room.

Haye lost because of poor tactics. Instead of holding back and waiting for Klitschko to come at him, he should have been on the offensive and getting in Klitschko's face. I'd look forward to a re-match as Haye's camp wouldn't make the same mistakes tactically and hopefully Haye won't have any broken toes!

[Surebrec]

I didn't get any other impression from haye or his whole entourage than they didn't really know what they were doing. wlad's corner were just as much technically superior in their preparations and execution during the fight compared to their counterparts, as the man himself was.

I can't see what call there needs to be for a rematch. maybe, if it went down to a split decision and haye lost by the narrowest margin, he might have a bit more weight demanding a rematch, but he was totally outclassed. even the point deduction didn't make the final count any more respectable.

the only way haye's camp wouldn't make the same mistakes, would be if he sacked the lot of them and got a new team that knew what they were doing in the first place.

even then, I still think the outcome would have been the same. the gulf in class was too much to blame solely on the camp.

[Citizen J]

Well Hays was toe-tally outclassed. I’ll get me coat



On another note it seems like a lot of folk left it to the very last minute to book the Hays fight by phone or on the internet.

BBC News - Sky apologises for boxing glitch

Why do people leave it so late? This event has been advertised for well over two weeks.
People who ordered the event from their remote at the last minute were unaffected.

[jabintendo]

It is free today to watch it BTW if you have sky.

[Basil Plumley]

Originally Posted by scanz

But it would have been okay for Klitschko to wait 15 minutes?

Hypothetical question as it didn't happen - there was talk of it happening but he did the right thing and made Haye look like a dick by coming out on time...and Haye didn't get beaten because of bad tactics - Haye got beaten because he was outclassed by a better boxer.

[JohnnyBravo1000]

Here are my thoughts for what they're worth.

1) I mentioned on here that there was every possibility the fight wouldn't be the most exciting spectacle, especially if Haye was over cautious and Klitschko used his jab as well as we all know he can.

2) Fair play to both fighters for taking the few shots they received well.

3) Haye shouldn't have stepped into the ring if his toe hurt him that much. Your toes and feet are vital to your balance in boxing, contrary to what a lot of people may think. The fact he did step into the ring means he must face the consequences.

4) I've played a lot of football and have had several broken toes. I've also played several matches with a broken toe and been given a local anesthetic to numb the pain. I can confirm that you can't feel anything - the toe affected is virtually numb. Therefore, I have no idea why Haye claimed to be in pain unless the dose administered wasn't strong enough.

5) The fight itself was another classic performance from Wlad. It wasn't pretty, but it was very effective. Haye needed to get inside and dictate the fight a lot more and a lot earlier. He didn't manage it, and he got dominated on points as I said my head thought he would.

[scanz]

Originally Posted by Basil Plumley

Hypothetical question as it didn't happen - there was talk of it happening but he did the right thing and made Haye look like a dick by coming out on time...and Haye didn't get beaten because of bad tactics - Haye got beaten because he was outclassed by a better boxer.

Klitschko made him wait about 7 minutes, if he had the time to make him wait more, he would have.

[Surebrec]

just watched the replay, I want to know what fight george foreman was watching to have it all square after 10 rounds.

[JohnnyBravo1000]

Originally Posted by Surebrec

just watched the replay, I want to know what fight george foreman was watching to have it all square after 10 rounds.

I think he's had one too many blows to the head over the years; either that or he's stuck his head under one of his grills!

[pandemic]

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo1000

3) Haye shouldn't have stepped into the ring if his toe hurt him that much. Your toes and feet are vital to your balance in boxing, contrary to what a lot of people may think. The fact he did step into the ring means he must face the consequences.

I'd agree if it was any other toe, but this was his little toe.
Having trained in Ninjutsu, where the basics are balance (the 3 largest toes in each foot are critical). The little toe on either foot is the only one that is redundant.

[THE AMATUER]

I lost a lot of respect for Haye for even bringing the broken toe argument up. He was outboxed, plain and simple. Plenty of fighters have fought with dislocated jaws, cracked ribs and broken hands and still managed to win, Haye blaming a broken little toe is rather pathetic if you ask me.

There was no sign of him limping before the fight and no mention in the corner during the fight that his foot was hurting, yet suddenly its a big issue after the fight and he had to limp out of the ring, poor excuse.


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[ganga]

Haye is now asking for a rematch. He hasn't made enough???

[ldoodle]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Why can't English people admit when they just weren't good enough.

[Surebrec]

if haye wants a rematch, he should earn it like the rest do, by working his way up the ladder again. neither the scores on the cards, nor his performance in the ring justify a rematch.

[drummerman]

Originally Posted by Surebrec

if haye wants a rematch, he should earn it like the rest do, by working his way up the ladder again. neither the scores on the cards, nor his performance in the ring justify a rematch.

Why not give a little credit to his opponent rather than take everything away from Haye?

[Iccz]

Originally Posted by drummerman

Why not give a little credit to his opponent rather than take everything away from Haye?

Oh come on, did you see his punch stats?

He didn't even take a fight to Wlad even in the last round when he knew it was all or nothing. It was a disgrace.

[richp007]

well i watched the whole fight again before the tennis, and on a 2nd viewing Haye comes off even worse.

he had a plan A and that was it. once it had failed after the 3rd, there was no plan B from him or his trainer. so the fight was effectively over.

great credit to Klitschko tho, he boxed superbly in his own style (whether people like it or not), and it is quite evident that Haye was surprised by how quick he was jabbing; and how much they'd underestimated the difficulty of getting it close to him. Yes Haye got a few good shots in, but his punching was wild and desperate, and quite frankly he looked like a bit of an amateur if i'm honest

as for "toe-gate", the whole thing is a disgrace, and Haye has lost all credibility for me now. He should retire quietly and let Klitschko fight someone else next. It was clear he had something wrong with his toe, but it wasn't bothering him in the slightest. i watched his movement and the times he did go for a Haymaker, and for me there was nothing to indicate his toe was hampering him at all. It's like Murray coming out and saying he damaged his finger after the 1st set against Nadal, and that's why he lost. he'd be laughed out of Wimbledon

anyway, i was never keen on Haye in the 1st instance to be honest, and i'm even less so now. If he somehow sets up a rematch or a fight against Vitali, i hope he's knocked clean out in the 1st.

all credit to Klitschko for a good fight, and a great post-fight interview to. very humble and saying what he did about the English fans was a real kick in the teeth for the Haye camp. He's come out of all this smelling like roses, and Haye stinks like he's just fallen down the shitter

[drummerman]

Originally Posted by Iccz

Oh come on, did you see his punch stats?

He didn't even take a fight to Wlad even in the last round when he knew it was all or nothing. It was a disgrace.

Well my friend, the fight I watched had Haye taking the fight to Klitschko in the last round.

These guys weigh 15st plus. After half an hour of fighting it is only understandable that some tiredness creeps in. Add a 3inch reach advantage and good technical skills and I make Klitschkov a worthy champion. To call Hayes efforts a disgrace is a little harsh.

As always, my opinion only.

regards

[Surebrec]

Originally Posted by drummerman

Why not give a little credit to his opponent rather than take everything away from Haye?

I've given credit to his opponent, go and read back through my posts over the last day or so.

it's a fact, he is in no way deserving of an automatic rematch, he was outboxed, out thought, outclassed.

and take everything away from haye? really??? he didn't have anything to take away in the first place. he was a fraud that began to believe his own hype, after a small string of wins against fighters who were hardly a true reflection of what was really on offer in what is no longer the blue riband weight division.

Originally Posted by drummerman

Well my friend, the fight I watched had Haye taking the fight to Klitschko in the last round.

These guys weigh 15st plus. After half an hour of fighting it is only understandable that some tiredness creeps in. Add a 3inch reach advantage and good technical skills and I make Klitschkov a worthy champion. To call Hayes efforts a disgrace is a little harsh.

As always, my opinion only.

regards

in the fight you watched, did it include the previous 11 rounds?

[drummerman]

Originally Posted by Surebrec

I've given credit to his opponent, go and read back through my posts over the last day or so.

it's a fact, he is in no way deserving of an automatic rematch, he was outboxed, out thought, outclassed.

and take everything away from haye? really??? he didn't have anything to take away in the first place. he was a fraud that began to believe his own hype, after a small string of wins against fighters who were hardly a true reflection of what was really on offer in what is no longer the blue riband weight division.



in the fight you watched, did it include the previous 11 rounds?

Seems like you've lost some money on Haye . Never mind, the odds might be better on the re-fight

[Surebrec]

no money lost here, I wasn't stupid enough to bet on him, I saw the iceberg coming as far as this fight was concerned. no money will be lost on the rematch either, for 2 reasons.

1. it won't happen
2. even if it did, I still wouldn't bet on haye.

[Kwman]

Originally Posted by Surebrec

I've given credit to his opponent, go and read back through my posts over the last day or so.

it's a fact, he is in no way deserving of an automatic rematch, he was outboxed, out thought, outclassed.

and take everything away from haye? really??? he didn't have anything to take away in the first place. he was a fraud that began to believe his own hype, after a small string of wins against fighters who were hardly a true reflection of what was really on offer in what is no longer the blue riband weight division.

in the fight you watched, did it include the previous 11 rounds?

I wouldn't call him a fraud, after all he did take a few good hits and stood his ground. Though it could have been all the painkillers he had for his toe also numbed his head

[ganga]

Originally Posted by Kwman

I wouldn't call him a fraud, after all he did take a few good hits and stood his ground. Though it could have been all the painkillers he had for his toe also numbed his head

I would say that Haye is a fraud. He managed to get a 50/50 split in a fight where the odds where heavily stacked against him, by using his big mouth. He blame his toe after losing by a huge margin. If his toe was that bad he wouldn't have been allowed to fight. Now he wants a rematch, when he knows full well that realistically he has no chance of winning.

[jalaldevil]

Originally Posted by ldoodle

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Why can't English people admit when they just weren't good enough.

We're deluded.

[Iccz]

Originally Posted by Kwman

I wouldn't call him a fraud, after all he did take a few good hits and stood his ground. Though it could have been all the painkillers he had for his toe also numbed his head

A few good hits?
There were no really big hits on either fighter in this fight to be fair. Haye never unleashed a proper right. Wlad never caught Haye clean with a powerful hook. The best hit was his right that left a mark on Haye's forehead, but that was never going to put him down.

Originally Posted by ganga

I would say that Haye is a fraud. He managed to get a 50/50 split in a fight where the odds where heavily stacked against him, by using his big mouth. He blame his toe after losing by a huge margin. If his toe was that bad he wouldn't have been allowed to fight. Now he wants a rematch, when he knows full well that realistically he has no chance of winning.

He's not a fraud, he's an idiot for going in to the fight with a broken toe and expecting to come out of it on top or with some respect left.
I can only assume nobody knew about his broken toe apart from his team. It's easy to cover up on the short term, but in a fight it stands out like a sore thumb toe.
I was wondering why he wasn't throwing his right or leading in with his right foot at all, it was evident from the early rounds that he was either testing the water or he was having trouble with his right leg.

He's an idiot for fighting as now he's ruined his chances of getting these belts or a match with Vit. It's a shame because in my eyes he's the only possible fighter in the division with the tools to take the Klitschko's on, or at least, to come close... but he's blown it now. Foolish.

[ganga]

I think he is a fraud because, it's not fair on the public who paid their hard earnt cash to support him and they didn't know about his broken toe. He was up and against it in the fight as it is, going in with a broken toe left him with no realistic chance.

[Apsilon]

At the end of the day, Haye is nothing more than an overblown cruiser weight trying to operate at heavyweight using his weight advantage to outmaneuver opponents with speed. Roy Jones was the same when he tried it but he fought a washed up numpty to get his belt.

Tbf to Haye, he at least went for the better Klitschko brother and regardless of how sterile the fight was overall, he went the full 12 rounds. I'm not a big fan of Haye as his motor mouth lacks the wit of Ali and also the ability to back up his bold abuse to his opponent. But, whilst we are all moaning about how useless haye was about not taking the fight to Wladimir for whatever reason, why didn't Wladimir take the fight to Haye more ferociously.

If Haye was such a one trick pony and an overblown cruiserweight with no right to be in the ring, then surely someone as experieced and powerful as Klitschko should have knocked him out after 4 rounds of nonsense and sussing him out. He out jabbed him and out thought him, of that there is no doubt, but he did precious little else to suggest that he thought he could really go forward and bludgeon Haye to a KO. So i think it works boths ways.

Haye shouldn't get a rematch imo, as he quite simply blew his chance on the night to make a claim for one to be given. Should he get one, i'm not sure the result would be any different. If Wladimir boxes the same way, the result will be the same. If Wladimir decides Haye is a fraud after Saturday and decides to get nasty and teach him a proper lesson then i'm not so sure, as that that would suit Haye's style and give him a chance of some openings and i think he would at least want to make amends for Saturdays travesty.

Don't think it will happen tho

[mooperman]

not sure if its been posted yet but the mash has covered it nicely...

The Daily Mash - British sport welcomes Haye excuse

[jalaldevil]

YouTube - ‪Wladimir Klitschko's Haye summary‬‏

[Saldawop]

Originally Posted by jalaldevil

YouTube - ‪Wladimir Klitschko's Haye summary‬‏

Was about to post that