John Terry breaks guard's leg

zmoosa1 · 17-03-2010, 4:41 PM

John Terry breaks guard's leg

Happened after yesterdays game. By he picture on the BBC website I wouldn't say it's broken.

**johnscarlet** · 17-03-2010, 4:45 PM

I broke my wrist once. That didn't look broken either . Didn't make the BBC website tho . Didn't exist then

zmoosa1 · 17-03-2010, 4:51 PM

I think the way it's going for him at the moment, if he spills his drink, it would make the headlines.

CraigofScotland · 17-03-2010, 4:58 PM

Still . .running hitting someone then driving away

Regardless of his "status" he still has an obligation (law perhaps?) to stop.

GBH or something similar?

FZR400RRSP · 17-03-2010, 5:02 PM

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GBH or something similar?

ABH?
Leaving the scene on top?
Driving without due care and attention, minimum.
Be a few personal injury lawyers wanting the bloke's phone number!

But the bloke will probably get less than Terry was getting to show people around their training ground on the sly.
(For those who don't know, Terry was accepting £10k 'bungs' to show businessmen around the training ground).

boltoa · 17-03-2010, 5:09 PM

Jeez, did you actually read the article? Scrum of people, photographers, etc, surround his car, he drives through at crawling pace. You expect him to stop to make sure everybody's alright? I wouldn't. Shame it was a guard rather than a paparazzi that got knocked down though.

Coffin · 17-03-2010, 5:12 PM

The subject of this thread is sensationalist to say the least!

jp_bl_68 · 17-03-2010, 5:13 PM

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John Terry breaks guard's leg

FZR400RRSP · 17-03-2010, 5:15 PM

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Shame it was a guard rather than a paparazzi that got knocked down though.

Those Paparazzis can fight back you know.

YouTube - Jay gets headbutted

ste v p · 17-03-2010, 5:18 PM

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Jeez, did you actually read the article? Scrum of people, photographers, etc, surround his car, he drives through at crawling pace. You expect him to stop to make sure everybody's alright? I wouldn't. Shame it was a guard rather than a paparazzi that got knocked down though.

What he said!

He was surrounded by fans and photographers snd there was a lot of contact on his car. He said he didn't know anyone was hurt and went on his way.

However, The Times reported it as "Terry breathalised at home after breaking security guard's leg". That is sensationalist reporting and leads to reactionary responses.

Jenn · 17-03-2010, 5:35 PM

"The guard is in hospital in a stable condition"...

It's a broken/bruised leg for crying out loud! I wasn't concerned he was on a ventilator and fighting for his life.

Forbez · 17-03-2010, 8:00 PM

What is Brian from Big Brother doing at the scene?

zmoosa1 · 18-03-2010, 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffin

The subject of this thread is sensationalist to say the least!

So do you think I have a career in journalism?

*gavan* · 18-03-2010, 9:50 AM

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Jeez, did you actually read the article? Scrum of people, photographers, etc, surround his car, he drives through at crawling pace. You expect him to stop to make sure everybody's alright?

Yes of course, and so does the law. Or do famous footballers get carte blanche to do whatever they want?

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I wouldn't.

Whether you would or not isn't the point.

Coffin · 18-03-2010, 10:17 AM

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So do you think I have a career in journalism?

Quite possibly! Either that or you need to switch from The Daily Mail to another paper

zmoosa1 · 18-03-2010, 10:23 AM

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Quite possibly! Either that or you need to switch from The Daily Mail to another paper

In my defence, that was the headline put up by the BBC yesterday. They've changed it but I think I'll keep mine as is to get the punters though the door!

ste v p · 18-03-2010, 10:26 AM

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Yes of course, and so does the law. Or do famous footballers get carte blanche to do whatever they want?

Whether you would or not isn't the point.

The scene I'm picturing is a hoard of paps and fans surrounding the car, possibly even banging on the windows. The sort of thing that would be very intimidating no matter who you are. Personally, I think I'd want to get out of there asap.

zmoosa1 · 18-03-2010, 11:05 AM

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The scene I'm picturing is a hoard of paps and fans surrounding the car, possibly even banging on the windows. The sort of thing that would be very intimidating no matter who you are. Personally, I think I'd want to get out of there asap.

Yeah but at the speed he was going (1-2 mph) I think it was slow enough to gauge a reaction that something unusual had happened. Surely he'd be able to see in his mirrors that he'd hit the guy?

dazza74 · 18-03-2010, 11:43 AM

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The scene I'm picturing is a hoard of paps and fans surrounding the car, possibly even banging on the windows. The sort of thing that would be very intimidating no matter who you are. Personally, I think I'd want to get out of there asap.

Have you seen the picture of his Mrs face, I'm sorry but they knew they'd done something. I can understand him not wanting to hang about but he's got no choice, he's breaking the law otherwise. You and I would get done for doing that. It's probably like that outside Stamford Bridge after most games I would imagine so he must be used to being in that situation on a regular basis.

zmoosa1 · 18-03-2010, 11:55 AM

Well, looks like JT going to visit his victim.

*gavan* · 18-03-2010, 11:55 AM

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Have you seen the picture of his Mrs face, I'm sorry but they knew they'd done something. I can understand him not wanting to hang about but he's got no choice, he's breaking the law otherwise. You and I would get done for doing that. It's probably like that outside Stamford Bridge after most games I would imagine so he must be used to being in that situation on a regular basis.

Yes, the real issue will be if they knew something had happened or not.

In any case, since there had been an accident involving physical injury the police would of course locate the driver afterwards and breathalyse the person, assuming it was within a reasonable period of time from the time of accident.

If he can prove he didn't know he had hit someone he should be OK. But, if it can be shown that there is reason to believe that he did know something had happened but he still drove off then he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The notion that he should just be allowed to drive away from something like this because he is a famous footballer is moronic. Just shows how far gone some people are with the 'celebrity culture' that pervades our lives these days.

dazza74 · 18-03-2010, 12:03 PM

There was that incident involving Gerrard a few years back when he accidentally knocked over a young lad. He did the right thing then and got out of the car and comforted the lad while they waited for the ambulance, even visited him in hospital and got the boy Rooney's boots as he was a Man Utd fan. Wouldn't have done Terry any harm at all stopping last night, the publicity would have been a whole lot different this morning that's for sure.

ste v p · 18-03-2010, 1:25 PM

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Have you seen the picture of his Mrs face, I'm sorry but they knew they'd done something. I can understand him not wanting to hang about but he's got no choice, he's breaking the law otherwise. You and I would get done for doing that. It's probably like that outside Stamford Bridge after most games I would imagine so he must be used to being in that situation on a regular basis.

No I haven't seen the picture. But what on earth does a picture show? Take a picture of me when I'm blinking and suddenly I look drunk/tired. Take a picture when I'm scared and I might look aggressive. It's just a picture - a snapshot in time - and how do we know what she was reacting to at the time? Don't believe everything you read in the papers, they write what sells papers, not necessarily the truth.

Now I'm not defending Terry but at the moment, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He was breathalysed but seemingly was under the limit. That's all we know. If he has done something wrong, the police will bring charges against him.

dazza74 · 18-03-2010, 1:36 PM

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No I haven't seen the picture. But what on earth does a picture show? Take a picture of me when I'm blinking and suddenly I look drunk/tired. Take a picture when I'm scared and I might look aggressive. It's just a picture - a snapshot in time - and how do we know what she was reacting to at the time? Don't believe everything you read in the papers, they write what sells papers, not necessarily the truth.

Now I'm not defending Terry but at the moment, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He was breathalysed but seemingly was under the limit. That's all we know. If he has done something wrong, the police will bring charges against him.

Why not before having a pop at me go to the top of the thread and click on the link and then you can see the pitcture for yourself. It looks pretty damning evidence if you ask me with Terry looking in his side Mirror and his Mrs with her hand to her mouth. I don't believe everything I read in the papers just not a current subsriber to "Team Terry".

ste v p · 18-03-2010, 2:45 PM

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Why not before having a pop at me go to the top of the thread and click on the link and then you can see the pitcture for yourself. It looks pretty damning evidence if you ask me with Terry looking in his side Mirror and his Mrs with her hand to her mouth. I don't believe everything I read in the papers just not a current subsriber to "Team Terry".

OK, I didn't want to go searching for pictures, but now I've looked at it and I'm not convinced that the photo is "damning evidence". I don't know why his wife is covering her mouth but it could be for a number of reasons. And it looks to me as if Terry is looking down his front wing, not into the wing mirror. There isn't the injured security guard in the photo either.

dazza74 · 18-03-2010, 3:12 PM

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OK, I didn't want to go searching for pictures,

Suggests to me you'd already mind your mind up then. I'll openly admit I've got no time for the bloke anymore, we all see what we want to see regardless of how much we protest otherwise if we are honest.

FZR400RRSP · 18-03-2010, 3:31 PM

I agree with Dazza.

1/ Terry's wife going "OH!" with a worried look
2/ Terry looking down
3/ Security guards blatantly helping someone on the ground, a part of whom can be seen in the photo.

Show that to 100 people, the vast majority are going to say

"He ran someone over, didn't he"

ste v p · 18-03-2010, 4:54 PM

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Suggests to me you'd already mind your mind up then.

Not at all, I just hadn't seen the particular photo you were referencing and it could have been on any number of news sites. I also don't remember the photo being on that BBC story last night when I first saw it.

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I'll openly admit I've got no time for the bloke anymore, we all see what we want to see regardless of how much we protest otherwise if we are honest.

I was going to say the same thing on my last post. We see what we want to see. I'm not saying he didn't hit the guy, I'm just saying the current evidence isn't strong enough to suggest he knew he'd hurt someone and left the scene.

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I agree with Dazza.

1/ Terry's wife going "OH!" with a worried look
2/ Terry looking down
3/ Security guards blatantly helping someone on the ground, a part of whom can be seen in the photo.

Show that to 100 people, the vast majority are going to say

"He ran someone over, didn't he"

Are you looking at the same photo? I see one photo of Terry looking down his front wing, his wife with her hand over her mouth and something over the bottom left corner of the lens. Then a completely different photo of a man sat on the floor holding his leg surrounded by men in yellow jackets.

FZR400RRSP · 18-03-2010, 5:00 PM

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Are you looking at the same photo? I see one photo of Terry looking down his front wing, his wife with her hand over her mouth and something over the bottom left corner of the lens. Then a completely different photo of a man sat on the floor holding his leg surrounded by men in yellow jackets.

Doesn't look like it.
I'm looking at a photo in a colleague's Daily Star.
Appears to give more detail in the bottom than yours.
Black security guard in yellow bib clearly helping 'someone' on the ground.
I could scan it as a pdf, but don't know how to attach a pdf to posts.

ste v p · 18-03-2010, 5:17 PM

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Doesn't look like it.
I'm looking at a photo in a colleague's Daily Star.
Appears to give more detail in the bottom than yours.
Black security guard in yellow bib clearly helping 'someone' on the ground.
I could scan it as a pdf, but don't know how to attach a pdf to posts.

I'm not that bothered and I'm not a techie so I don't know about how to do pdfs. You could probably save the image as a .jpg and upload it to a website like tinypic if you wanted. Like I said, if the evidence is substantial, he will be brought to trial.

I think where I differ from you and Dazza is that I don't want him to have comitted a crime. Whereas some people are IMO too eager to jump on the back of the latest public enemy No 1 for an incident with only circumstantial evidence to back it up.