MMA thread spoilers issue

[DrPhil]

Simple question, when is it OK to post un-spoilered results from fights/TUF?

Most of the options in the poll are related to live events, which usually show at 3am in the UK, but take into account TUF episodes too.

[mark88]

For anyone who wishes to bar people from openly discussing the event after it's aired, please could you justify your answer in this thread too.

Just what do you come here to discuss between the time the event has aired and the time you decide to watch it?

I usually don't watch them until Sunday, therefore I don't come here or anywhere else that's likely to spoil the result until I've watched it. I cannot imagine having the opinion that I should be able to read the thread and expect people to not talk about it just because I haven't seen it yet.

[bigstu31s]

I’ve been on this thread since the start and the general consensus has always been not to have any un spoilered talk of a live event until 24 hours later.
However if everyone is aware of the rule change I have no problem with people discussing the results once it has been aired in the UK as I for one do not come into this thread before I have watched the live event.

[DrPhil]

As bigstu has pointed out, the majority of the people who have been around since MMA discussion thread 1, (or the UFC discussion thread as it used to be), have always agreed to wait 24 hours before posting.

At the end of the day it's not that difficult to click the spoiler button and it's not that difficult to show consideration for others.

Most of the time people won't come in before they've watched, but on the odd occasion someone wants to discuss TUF or any other non UFC MMA news, is it that difficult to spoiler your posts?

[mark88]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

it's not that difficult to show consideration for others.

Agree entirely, except I'm saying the people who want everything spoilered are the ones not showing the consideration.

Most of the time people won't come in before they've watched, but on the odd occasion someone wants to discuss TUF or any other non UFC MMA news, is it that difficult to spoiler your posts?

It's not hard to spoiler them, but it's not enjoyable to read when you have to select hidden text just to be able to read it. Event when selected it's white text on light blue background.

Also, you say people come here to discuss TUF, surely they're doing the exact same thing they expect other people not to do? They're coming here the morning after TUF's aired to talk about it, yet they expect people not to do the same with the UFC event??? And TUF is on pretty late as well and clashes with MOTD.

Is it that hard to resist checking the MMA thread until you've watched the event?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by mark88

Agree entirely, except I'm saying the people who want everything spoilered are the ones not showing the consideration.

We ask only that you and the few who want to discuss, spoiler your comments til Monday morning. You're asking that the majority stay out of the thread entirely. Hardly the same.

Originally Posted by mark88

Also, you say people come here to discuss TUF, surely they're doing the exact same thing they expect other people not to do? They're coming here the morning after TUF's aired to talk about it, yet they expect people not to do the same with the UFC event??? And TUF is on pretty late as well and clashes with MOTD.

Not just referring to the episodes, but the issue of TUF is ongoing, people may still be talking about the previous week or speculating about the next one. Plus in the past TUF was on Thursday or Friday nights so people could discuss freely on Sunday without getting live event spoilers.

[LCR_Dave]

as soon as uk airing is what i voted i for i want to talk about it openly asap and if i forget to spoiler dont want a load of mouth from someone who hasnt watched it,

[bigstu31s]

If it remains 6 in favour and 6 against then we should not change.
It does seem silly that for the sake of clicking on a face saying shoosh for 1 day some people think it is such a big deal.

SpoilerSee its not difficult is it.

[JimmyHart84]

Originally Posted by mark88

Just what do you come here to discuss between the time the event has aired and the time you decide to watch it?

TUF. I watched this Saturday night but didn't watch UFC until about 9pm last night. So sometimes I come on to discuss TUF, but haven't seen a live event.

Also, being an MMA thread, some people like Phil discuss Strikeforce, WEC fights and non-fight issues such as contracts (an example recently is Dan Henderson stalling over signing with UFC again).

I voted for 24 hours, because of these reasons and also, TUF doesn't air at the same time everywhere, for example in Ireland with Phil it's Sunday night.

[mark88]

Silly..?

What's silly is people coming here in the few hours between the event ending and the time they watch it, expecting to have a MMA discussion when the only thing MMA fans really want to talk about is the UFC event that just finished the night before.

I'm yet to hear 1 single valid reason as to why events should be spoilered until Monday. The best one so far is that people come here in those few hours to talk about Strikeforce and hear if Fedor has joined the UFC

Fact is, as has been proven over and over again in this thread that you cannot and will not ever prevent people posting spoilers, the "rule" has been in place a long time now and yet each event someone gets upset because someone else spoilt it for them and this same argument happens again.

UFC events are what? once a month. Is it that difficult for people to stay away from MMA sites in the few hours between their event ending and the viewing time of choice?? I do it and not once have I had the result spoilt.

Simples

[JimmyHart84]

Originally Posted by mark88

It's not hard to spoiler them, but it's not enjoyable to read when you have to select hidden text just to be able to read it. Event when selected it's white text on light blue background.

That's unbelieveably petty.

Originally Posted by mark88

Also, you say people come here to discuss TUF, surely they're doing the exact same thing they expect other people not to do? They're coming here the morning after TUF's aired to talk about it, yet they expect people not to do the same with the UFC event??? And TUF is on pretty late as well and clashes with MOTD.

I'm not sure what you're actually trying to say here. If you look back a few days, when I have posted my views on TUF fights and episodes on a Sunday, I spoiler them, as do most others. We stick by the same gentlemans agreement for any MMA event or TV show.

When I started posting in here, I wasn't aware of this agreement and I didn't spoiler my posts. But then when I realised it was generally accepted, that's fine with me and I started doing what everyone does. It's perfectly fine if people want to change or if people want to stay the same, but I do think you need to calm down a bit and just discuss it properly instead of throwing childish and sarcastic comments around.

[Crimson Monkee]

I'm fine with people discussing TUF/events after they have aired on UK tv.
I think the main issue is anyone who watches TUF online which is either on a wednesday or thursday, where as the rest of us have to wait till saturday night to watch, I have now taken to avoiding the MMA thread from wednesday until sunday/monday and then I only have a 2 day window to read updates and general opinions before I back away again into my spoiler free environment.

[JimmyHart84]

Originally Posted by mark88

Fact is, as has been proven over and over again in this thread that you cannot and will not ever prevent people posting spoilers, the "rule" has been in place a long time now and yet each event someone gets upset because someone else spoilt it for them and this same argument happens again.

Only once has an episode of this seasons TUF been spoiled, all the others have been discussed with spoiler tags.

Originally Posted by mark88

UFC events are what? once a month. Is it that difficult for people to stay away from MMA sites in the few hours between their event ending and the viewing time of choice?? I do it and not once have I had the result spoilt.

UFC isn't MMA. There's more that happens in the space of 1 month that needs to be spoilered, not just UFC events. You seem to be of the opinion that oh Strikeforce is a load of rubbish, why would anyone want to talk about it. You keep going on about football, well that's like saying in a football thread, people wont talk about the Spanish league. Well, why cant they?

[DrPhil]

Edit, figured out how to see the results of who voted what.

[mark88]

Originally Posted by JimmyHart84

UFC isn't MMA. There's more that happens in the space of 1 month that needs to be spoilered, not just UFC events. You seem to be of the opinion that oh Strikeforce is a load of rubbish, why would anyone want to talk about it. You keep going on about football, well that's like saying in a football thread, people wont talk about the Spanish league. Well, why cant they?

Since when did I say Strikeforce was rubbish? you're good at putting words in my mouth.

You're also totally missing the point. I'm glad you made the point about UFC events being roughly once a month, what you're arguing is that in those few hours(once a month) between the UFC Event finishing and the time people watch it is that they want to come here and talk about Strikeforce and other MMA news.

I'm saying to you that if you go back and look at all the talk in this thread that happens on a *sunday after a UFC event*, no one is talking about StrikeForce or some other smaller MMA organisation in those few hours. You have a whole month to talk about other MMA, the day after a UFC event should be full of UFC event banter, not hidden text and debates about whether we should or should not spoiler things.