Points from the Liverpool / Man Utd from a Man Utd supporter.

[Officer M168]

Time for Rio to give up football - Its seems this season and during the summer months Rio started some out of football projects (producer for a gangster film, Restaurants & generally flouting brand "Rio"). This seems to have over taken his football as this season he has been terrible and i feel when the football season starts that stuff takes a back seat.
There where reports early on in the season that through the grapevine he was looking at a move away from Utd to another country as his name & brand could be flouted to a new worldwide audience.

Don't Play Vidic in Liverpool games - I like Vidic but again this season he's not been in his best form, but in the Liverpool games he seems to magically turn into Titus Bramble.

Nani - Not fit to wear a United top. Cant hit a ball first time, 1st touch is terrible 90% of the time, and after 3 long season in the english premier league hasn't caught on that he needs longer studs as the simplest turn ends up with him on his arse.

Valencia - A powerfull shot & speed..................... Thats all he has to his game.

Carrick & Scholes - can't play counter attacking football. I know Utd play a patient build up type of football but there where times where we had Liverpool on the back foot but whenever the ball was played to these two in the midfield they played a short one touch pass back to the defenders.

The Ref - Never give a big game like this as a refs 1st game.

• Bottled out of giving a Cara a red card for very much a last man foul.

• Bottled out of giving Vidic a straight red card for his last man foul but instead gave him a yellow as he knew it was still a sending off but also covered his arse on the Cara situation.

• How Lucas left Anfield without a yellow card.

• What was Berbatov given a yellow for ?

• There was an incident where Giggs was in the box going up for a header and got a nudge in the back but nothing happened.Andy Gray pointed out that if it was outside the box he'd have got a foul for it. Then not less then 1 min later a Utd player nudges a Liverpool player in the back just outside the box and the ref deemed this a foul.Now i have respect for refs and i agree they can't see everything and sometimes get things wrong.But replays show he was in a good position for both and its inconsistency like this that drives me up the wall.

Rant over.
Utd didn't deserve to win but Liverpool wasn't brilliant either.

[jace22]

in all fairness the ref let united get away with alot to for instance
reina constantley being obstructing by united players when trying to get the ball back in play, on one occasion he was even brought down by the utd players. also the sly punch from vidic to torres didn't get so much as a talking to.

dont you just love utd players when their losing they constantly goed the ref into booking the other teams.

all in all utd were outplayed, outclassed and well and truly butt whipped

[Officer M168]

Didn't know it was a foul to be in front of the goal keeper. if he trys to throw or kick it and then you move on purpose into it then its obstruction.

Pepe walked into Vidic

I honestly didn't see Vidic punch Torres so have no idea what your going on about.
Well i dont like it when players rally round the ref but the ref has to expect it when he clear booked Evra for two fouls. He really made it clear as he pointed to both areas.
The rallying only started when Lucas did his 2nd but got nothing. Which then becomes the refs problem as he has to then book everyone who has committed two fouls.

[wiser1]

i have to agree with your points Officer M168

[jimmymac2213]

The Ref - Never give a big game like this as a refs 1st game.

could you clarify that one a bit for me? All ref's who have done this big match will eventually have to do it for teh first time, its not like he hasn't been a referee in the top flight for a while now

[thelegendofyrag]

Originally Posted by jimmymac2213

could you clarify that one a bit for me? All ref's who have done this big match will eventually have to do it for teh first time, its not like he hasn't been a referee in the top flight for a while now

Exactly...tbh he wasnt that bad. They all make mistakes they are human. The ref. imo in the Arsenal game made a few mistakes. If Utd had nicked it the ref wouldnt get a mention

[fcz]

Originally Posted by jace22

outclassed

if that performance was liverpool outclassing another prem league team then they're in more trouble than i thought.

todays result was a cert with liverpools last results and they deserved it. they wanted it more, chased down and didn't let united play. but i wouldn't go as far as saying they outclassed united. its still october in a long season so the result doesn't really matter in league terms.

didn't see the punch to torres that someone has mentioned and don't remember any of the commentary team mentioning it either.

as far as the ref goes, he bottled it big time. cara was last man in a blatant professional foul. should've walked. the berbatov booking was a mystery. to be fair i thought vidic's 1st yellow was harsh too, although he shoud've had a straight red instead of 2nd yellow so that doesn't matter.

it was the perfect game for liverpool after losing four on the trot. united were awful tho, and they're def missing a top class attacking midfielder.

[abdus]

Ngog the frog scoring in Fergie time

[Ultima]

I didn't see the game but watched the highlights. I though Carra and Vidic could easily have got straight reds.

Listening to reports it seems that Liverpool played reasonably well but Utd were terrible. Chelsea for the title anyone?

[Coffin]

Originally Posted by Officer M168

Utd didn't deserve to win but Liverpool wasn't brilliant either.

I always find remarks like that mildly amusing; when one team scores two perfectly good goals and the other has no reply

And yeah, Carragher should of been sent off

[thelegendofyrag]

Carragher one was debatable for me. Owen was going away from goal.

As for Vidic it was on the half way line so a long way to goal with a couple of players who could have caught up to cover so i think a booking was just.

[Coffin]

Ah football...amazing how different opinions vary so much!

Carragher deliberately takes him down, a professional foul I think it's known as. You could argue his body movement is not directly towards the goal but for him to be taken down in such way is cynical, completely deliberate and a straight red in my eyes!

And to claim Vidic's 2nd yellow is barely a yellow is baffling. Again, another deliberate foul with obvious intent. Unquestionably a yellow card and another 25 yards closer to goal it would have been a straight red

[dazza74]

I sat and watched the game yesterday, the difference for me was Liverpool had arguably the best striker in the world, this individual's moment of brilliance won the game. We can argue the toss all we like, but it's goals that win games.

I think my 3 month old Niece might be a Liverpool fan now. She only stopped crying once the ref blew the final whistle

[QuietRiot1983]

I love how people still use 'he was last man' to try and justify a sending off. The rules don't mention 'last man' at all, only a 'clear goalscoring opporunity', which is why Vidic's second was only a yellow.

Personally, I thought Owen was pulling Carragher's arms off, which made him fall onto his legs.

[safc_dan]

Originally Posted by Officer M168

Time for Rio to give up football - Its seems this season and during the summer months Rio started some out of football projects (producer for a gangster film, Restaurants & generally flouting brand "Rio"). This seems to have over taken his football as this season he has been terrible and i feel when the football season starts that stuff takes a back seat.
There where reports early on in the season that through the grapevine he was looking at a move away from Utd to another country as his name & brand could be flouted to a new worldwide audience.

Don't Play Vidic in Liverpool games - I like Vidic but again this season he's not been in his best form, but in the Liverpool games he seems to magically turn into Titus Bramble.

Nani - Not fit to wear a United top. Cant hit a ball first time, 1st touch is terrible 90% of the time, and after 3 long season in the english premier league hasn't caught on that he needs longer studs as the simplest turn ends up with him on his arse.

Valencia - A powerfull shot & speed..................... Thats all he has to his game.

Carrick & Scholes - can't play counter attacking football. I know Utd play a patient build up type of football but there where times where we had Liverpool on the back foot but whenever the ball was played to these two in the midfield they played a short one touch pass back to the defenders.

The Ref - Never give a big game like this as a refs 1st game.

• Bottled out of giving a Cara a red card for very much a last man foul.

• Bottled out of giving Vidic a straight red card for his last man foul but instead gave him a yellow as he knew it was still a sending off but also covered his arse on the Cara situation.

• How Lucas left Anfield without a yellow card.

• What was Berbatov given a yellow for ?

• There was an incident where Giggs was in the box going up for a header and got a nudge in the back but nothing happened.Andy Gray pointed out that if it was outside the box he'd have got a foul for it. Then not less then 1 min later a Utd player nudges a Liverpool player in the back just outside the box and the ref deemed this a foul.Now i have respect for refs and i agree they can't see everything and sometimes get things wrong.But replays show he was in a good position for both and its inconsistency like this that drives me up the wall.

Rant over.
Utd didn't deserve to win but Liverpool wasn't brilliant either.

there was absolutely nout wrong with the ref, one or two dodgy decisions but carras wasnt a sending off imo as it wasnt a goalscoring oppurtunity and vidic was sent off anyway and if he had no yellow i believe he would have gone. Manure fans as usual moaning, needing to jusify losing. cant accept being beaten by the better team.