glen johnson simply hasnt got it to be world class defender

[la gran siete]

Fine as an attacking fullback but their(Slovenia) goal would not have happened with a fully fit Gary Neville or Wes Brown defending the right side. Apart from that not much to grumble about last nights performance except David Upson is no more than honest yoeman

[Naaktgeboren]

My observations last night as a non England supporter

Upson was laughable, a fish out of water and is nowhere near international standard.

Robert Green...... Is this the best solution England have for the GK jersey?? Again, certainly not international standard.

Glen Johnson is lightweight and I felt the same when he was at Chelsea, could improve though, he is young so time will tell.

Wayne Rooney, looks a shadow of his former self, the once hyped super kid is looking average right now.

There are some plus points though, Ashley Cole is looking fantastic this season, did not put a foot wrong all game. Defoe can be a real handful but he would need to be tested against a top team.

I cannot see England doing much in the coming tournaments tbh.

[kopchoir]

Gary neville is past it and as for wes brown i rate highly, a full back these day needs to bring a lot of qualities to the table defend and attack in equal measure something brown cant do there are no outside rights anymore, I have watched him play for my club this year and he compliments our right hand side well with kuyt who is a work horse and will defend for him so he has cover there.

Its not the first time Johnson has been found wanting at right back defensively but he is still young and hopefully playing in a good team and in the top european comps it will help him improve but i think asking gary nev to come back is plain silly to old to slow

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by CloggyNL

I cannot see England doing much in the coming tournaments tbh.

Simply not good enough havent been for a while now and i dont know why, pervious managers have had the players to win things IMO just tactically inept

[Naaktgeboren]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

Simply not good enough havent been for a while now and i dont know why, pervious managers have had the players to win things IMO just tactically inept

Well..... it's said in Europe, England have had teams good enough BUT never the right manager at the right time. It was a travesty giving the likes of Graham Taylor a team as good as he had.

Unfortunately now, England have a great coach but, it is certainly not one of the best ever England sides.

[mabo]

Personally, i thought Johnson did well, apart form the goal, which was a loss of concentration, but he's hardly the first England player to be guilty of that towards the end of a game. The list of England defenders who've had a shocking moment (far worse than simply not getting tight enough in the dying seconds) in recent history is unfortunately pretty long.

Carrick was the real let down for me - he seems to have lost his ability to pick out a perfect pass and so doesn't really add anything to the team.

Milner looks a touch of class on the left though and could keep Joe Cole out of the team when he's fit.

Personally, i wouldn't go as far as saying England won't do much in the coming tournaments - Capello has a great track record of getting the best out of players and moulding teams but it must be remembered that he is only working with the England side in fits and starts. The performances might still be a touch hit and miss but it's the win/loss tally that counts and atm that looks pretty good. Worse teams have gone on to have big impacts at tournaments - remember how many wrote off France before the last world cup?

[LFC_SL]

I thought Lescott was very shaky in his cameo. Lost a defender for the goal and also one or to other moments of a lack of concentration. Quite poor

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

OFF topic

Whos the chick in your avatar by the way

[LFC_SL]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

OFF topic

I was defending the guy by apportioning the blame

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

I was defending the guy by apportioning the blame

I meant off topic as i was asking you about your avatar who am i to pull someone up for off topic posts

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

I like the thread started by the Argentinian to deflect the home loss to Brazil and the impending NON qualification for the world cup

GET A LIFE YOU GASH!!

Stayed up to watch that game as well

[Abbeygoo]

The thread is ridiculous ...... Gary Neville? David Upson?

*** ... who is this joker???

[thfccambs]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

The thread is ridiculous ...... Gary Neville? David Upson?

*** ... who is this joker???

Personally think he has a point.

Agree on the David bit though, Matthew

Maybe he actually meant Phil Neville?

[thelegendofyrag]

Johnson was also poor up against Babel vs Holland, he'd be ripped to shreads by the likes of Messi.

Average performance as a whole imo to go with the broadcaster...

[DJT75]

Originally Posted by thelegendofyrag

Johnson was also poor up against Babel vs Holland, he'd be ripped to shreads by the likes of Messi.

Average performance as a whole imo to go with the broadcaster...

As would any defender..