Time we brought in video evidence at footie

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 9:41 AM

Surely with the speed of today's technology we should use this at the very least to decide whether or not it's a penalty or whether the ball crossed the line. Rugby realised long ago they needed to use the technology to determine whether to award a try. Richest sport in the world and frankly we might as well have jumpers for goal posts.

Just to clarify I'm not having a specific dig at Arsenal for what happened last night, just think we need to sort this mess out.

FunkyMunkey · 27-08-2009, 9:53 AM

I completely agree. The resistance of football's governing bodies to this kind of thing is pretty ridiculous. The only reasons I can think for it are:

1. money
2. there are a fair few incidences when it's nigh-on impossible to decide, even with TV replays

As a gooner, Eduardo's dive was unpleasant, but the media carping is just boring. In fact the media is generally just boring, but that's another discussion!

sdb123 · 27-08-2009, 9:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FunkyMunkey

As a gooner, Eduardo's dive was unpleasant, but the media carping is just boring. In fact the media is generally just boring, but that's another discussion!

I don't think the situation has been helped by Wenger saying that the keeper caught him (after being shown the video

) and then saying Eduardo went down to protect his leg.

On the main point, top-level sport is a business these days so you'd expect the technology to be there. As a fan, I'd rather have a few interuptions to ensure a fair result rather than a match with some injustices....

**mabo** · 27-08-2009, 10:09 AM

I agree, on the whole, but i think ref's have to be instructed to use it. Like in cricket, if it's a choice you may find some not utilising it as much as others. I still think refs don't use the tools they have already, such as linesmen who may have a different angle of an incident. Some are just whistle happy.

spudtator · 27-08-2009, 10:10 AM

I was pretty annoyed at co-commentator (on STV) Andy Walker's opinion that it's just part of the game and he 'won' a penalty. Also that any Celtic fan would have been delighted if a Celtic player had done the same at the other end.
I for one, would not. It's just plain cheating.
I play a lot of snooker and pool to a reasonable standard and have called fouls against myself and would expect my opponents to do likewise.
In any sport, if you can't win by the rules, don't bother playing.
Even if football won't have replays at the ground as rugby does, there should at least be some sort of after match review and players punished with match bans or fines.

btw, no bitterness on my part. the best team, by a long way, won.

Dony · 27-08-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FunkyMunkey

As a gooner, Eduardo's dive was unpleasant, but the media carping is just boring. In fact the media is generally just boring, but that's another discussion!

I thought the ITV commentators response to the incident was disgraceful. They tried saying it was part of the game and actually praised Eduardo for being clever.

Then on Sky, they described it as being "dubious" but didn't show the angle which proved that the keeper didn't touch him, or Eduardo's smile when he realised he had conned the ref.

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mabo

I agree, on the whole, but i think ref's have to be instructed to use it

Makes sense to me, should be mandatory a look at the video for any penalty awarded and even a hint a ball might have crossed the line.

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 10:17 AM

I think sadly that's it's part of the south american approach to sport. The hand of god to them in Argentina was praised for it's cunning and gile not seen as cheating their. Win at all costs it seems. If they can't bring video evidence in I would still personally issue red cards after the game based on a panel reviewing video evidence for blatant cheating.

**bearman3784** · 27-08-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dazza74

I think sadly that's it's part of the south american approach to sport. The hand of god to them in Argentina was praised for it's cunning and gile not seen as cheating their. Win at all costs it seems. If they can't bring video evidence in I would still personally issue red cards after the game based on a panel reviewing video evidence for blatant cheating.

sadly its also a part of the portugese approach, not forgetting a certain scouser's approach. as wrong as it is, every nation does it now. im an arsenal fan and seeing eddy do that last night left a sour taste in my mouth and i couldnt even celebrate the goal.
video technology needs to come in

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bearman3784

sadly its also a part of the portugese approach, not forgetting a certain scouser's approach. as wrong as it is, every nation does it now. im an arsenal fan and seeing eddy do that last night left a sour taste in my mouth and i couldnt even celebrate the goal.
video technology needs to come in

Wrong of me with hindsight to target south america the problems rife throughout all nationalities in the game.

To me the situation currently is a bit like me going to a cash point that's paying out £20's instead of £10's by mistake and knowing I can walk away with the money without any further reprisals.

snellfish · 27-08-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dazza74

Wrong of me with hindsight to target south america the problems rife throughout all nationalities in the game.

To me the situation currently is a bit like me going to a cash point that's paying out £20's instead of £10's by mistake and knowing I can walk away with the money without any further reprisals.

No the situation is similar to you finding someones card and taking money from there bank account then looking up to the banks CCTV and giving a big smile!

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by snellfish

No the situation is similar to you finding someones card and taking money from there bank account then looking up to the banks CCTV and giving a big smile!

Disagree I prefer my option after all a bank always has the government in this country to fall back on in times of hardship which is not always the case for an individual

gosties · 27-08-2009, 11:04 AM

The diving is prevalent through all the top leagues and international football. I can think of a number players who are excellent at it :-

Arsenal :- Eduardo (obviously)
Man Utd :- Rooney, Owen
Liverpool :- Torres, Gerrard
Chelsea :- Drogba, Lampard, J.Cole

Real Madrid :- Ronaldo, Robben

Eduardo offence is without defence, but let's see the media reaction to one of the England golden boys when they do the same at some point this very season.

As for Ronaldo's offence in getting Rooney sent off it's ridiculous the media reaction to that. Whatever way you address that Rooney situation he stamped on Carvalho so deserved to be sent off irrespective of Ronaldo's deplorable actions. I can remember Rooney taking a blatant dive to get a penalty against Arsenal through simulation of a foul from Campbell.

Unfortunately cheating is as much part of the game as all the skills that make you watch the game.

BamBamMickey · 27-08-2009, 11:06 AM

Never seen Eduardo do that before.
Yes he cheated last night, don't think we will ever see it again in his game when he sees it himself.Embarrassing.

In my view serial "offenders" of playing the man over the ball are worse and should be banned, won't happen though.

Still Celtic fans would have found some other reason to complain.

*RMCF* · 27-08-2009, 11:07 AM

I always thought that video evidence would work, and not slow down the game, if each team was given perhaps 2 atytempts to question a decision.

Once they use up their 2 replays thats it. None left. So they would have to decide when to use them. Of course Celtic would have used one on the 'dive' last night.

It would work. Easy. As it does in rugby. People assume the game would be stopping every 30secs. Not true.

BamBamMickey · 27-08-2009, 11:08 AM

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It would work. Easy. As it does in rugby. People assume the game would be stopping every 30secs. Not true.

Maybe in spain, but in England there are questionable decisions made every minute, going by fans & manager reactions.

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Trey4Life

Never seen Eduardo do that before.
Yes he cheated last night, don't think we will ever see it again in his game when he sees it himself.Embarrassing.

Must be joking mate, on another planet these guys. What was that Adebayor said the other week he was worried about his retirements plans as he was only on 80k a week

No incentive in being honest currently and until that changes in the game we are all knackered imo.

1LeeDenton · 27-08-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gosties

Eduardo offence is without defence, but let's see the media reaction to one of the England golden boys when they do the same at some point this very season.

Exactly. The anti-Arsenal / "bl00dy Jonny Foreigner" brigade are out in force today. However, when 'Stevie G' [

] does it, or Rooney, then they are being "clever" in drawing the goalie out to make the challenge...

There's a few clips here of Gerrard being "clever"...my fave is the one against Blackburn, where he almost kicks Friedel in the chest as part of his 'leaving his leg out' routine:

YouTube - Steven Gerrard - Diving hypocrite

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 11:14 AM

Bunch of hypocrits the lot of them. Great post, Stevie G some of them I'd easily award 9.9 for artistic merit.

**Steven** · 27-08-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by snellfish

Id rather he didnt play than bring more cheating into our game, what he did last night just as bad as what C.Ronaldo done, with his cheeky smile he has just made alot of enemies. But its all ok as long as thats how they play the beautiful game in s.america

snellfish, grow up. People are taking issue with you thinking someone deserves a broken ankle, in respect of the fact that Eduardo suffered a horrific injury previously which threatened his career. Do not try and hide behind your anti-cheating stance like that was ever in discussion

24fanboy · 27-08-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FunkyMunkey

I completely agree. The resistance of football's governing bodies to this kind of thing is pretty ridiculous. The only reasons I can think for it are:

1. money
2. there are a fair few incidences when it's nigh-on impossible to decide, even with TV replays

As a gooner, Eduardo's dive was unpleasant, but the media carping is just boring. In fact the media is generally just boring, but that's another discussion!

The media is pathetic and the double standards are appalling.

I distinctly remember a few years ago Wayne Rooney diving at Old Trafford to win United a penalty and ending Arsenal's 49 game unbeaten run in the process. Did the media carp about it? Call it appalling and disgraceful and ask for Rooney to be banned? Did they hell. They were too busy celebrating the end of our unbeaten record.

Its the same with all English players. Gerrard dives week in-week out and the press say NOTHING. But when Johnny Foreigner takes a dive, they become apoplectic with fury and rage.

Sickening, but I expect no different from our scumbag press.

BamBamMickey · 27-08-2009, 11:22 AM

Viper if i could thank you twice for that video , i would.
going by that Gerrard should never play footie again if the sentiment on here is to be followed.

On the Eduardo smile, it was directly after the Celtic fans were shouting "cheat".
I don't think it was made towards the referee.

snellfish · 27-08-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LFC_SL

snellfish, grow up. People are taking issue with you thinking someone deserves a broken ankle, in respect of the fact that Eduardo suffered a horrific injury previously which threatened his career. Do not try and hide behind your anti-cheating stance like that was ever in discussion

Im not trying to hide behind anything, I really couldnt care less about eduardos career if he thinks he can earn his £50k a week or whatever he's on by cheating then maybe he should suffer as a consequence. sorry i dont think angelic thoughts like everyone else.

Filipino · 27-08-2009, 11:26 AM

Scottish FA call for Eduardo ban for diving

Was never as bad as Pedersen's or Gilardino's dive but still disgusting to see.

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 11:26 AM

I don't want any player singled out for diving I just want it irradicated from the game wherever possible. A panel should be sitting down today and banning Eduardo for 3 games as far as I'm concerned and any other player that wants to try and con a referee for a penalty.

BamBamMickey · 27-08-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by snellfish

sorry i dont think angelic thoughts like everyone else.

Your very much right, yours are sick not angelic.

**bearman3784** · 27-08-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dazza74

I don't want any player singled out for diving I just want it irradicated from the game wherever possible. A panel should be sitting down today and banning Eduardo for 3 games as far as I'm concerned and any other player that wants to try and con a referee for a penalty.

do you only ban if they get a penalty though? sometimes a freekick from a dive can be almost as good an oppurtunity as a penalty

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 11:31 AM

I make that two yellows snellfish, maybe Graham Poll is in charge today

(only a joke lads)

dazza74 · 27-08-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bearman3784

do you only ban if they get a penalty though? sometimes a freekick from a dive can be almost as good an oppurtunity as a penalty

free kick edge of the box, it's all good as far as I'm concerned 3 match ban. What will hopefully happen is after a few weeks once the clubs start to really suffer they'll sort it out internally.

Dony · 27-08-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dazza74

I don't want any player singled out for diving I just want it irradicated from the game wherever possible. A panel should be sitting down today and banning Eduardo for 3 games as far as I'm concerned and any other player that wants to try and con a referee for a penalty.

If a player can be punished retrospectively for striking an opponent, then they should also be able to do it when it's as blatant as Eduardo's dive.

Isn't there a Fair Play initiative going on somewhere??