Berb - time for Ferie to admit he made a mistake?

RMCF · 28-05-2009, 12:36 AM

Fergie paid £31.75million for the striker, yet failed to play him in the biggest game they have played in years.

Does this admit that Fergie made a huge mistake?

He is a very stubborn man and will probably never admit it, just like the money he wasted on Veron.

Officer M168 · 28-05-2009, 7:06 AM

Off load Berbs = £15mill & Ronaldo = £70 we could buy a few decent players

Woodywizz · 28-05-2009, 8:18 AM

I agree RMCF - he has been terrible all season. People say that his first touch is sublime, which it can be - but combine this with an inability to score and a lack of desire to chase anything more than 10 yards away from him - and it is not good enough. I too think we need to take it on the chin and offload him.

DJT75 · 28-05-2009, 8:45 AM

He was well overpriced but I wouldn't offload him. Still a quality player & fits in pretty well when United need to change things (last night aside). United don't play like the traditional 4-4-2 line up he's probably used to, their 2 roaming players score most the goals. But if Ronaldo is sold this summer United will have to change their system a little & I think you'll see alot more from Berbatov.

booyaka · 28-05-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodywizz

I agree RMCF - he has been terrible all season. People say that his first touch is sublime, which it can be - but combine this with an inability to score and a lack of desire to chase anything more than 10 yards away from him - and it is not good enough. I too think we need to take it on the chin and offload him.

totally agree - even the wife said last night that he was a total and utter waste of time.

Get shot of him and get Bemzema from PSG.

jabintendo · 28-05-2009, 10:50 AM

I think Benzema plays for Lyon, but that doesn't really matteer.
I agree with everyone that he hasn't been very good and has not justifyed his price and place. I would have tevez all day long ahead of him

plazmoid · 28-05-2009, 10:57 AM

the issue is that he was used to playing alongside someone that would do all the running for him and its because he isn't playing as part of front 2 that he hasn't done much.

sdb123 · 28-05-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer M168

Off load Berbs = £15mill & Ronaldo = £70

70 quid for Ronaldo? Quick, where's the cheque-book?

sdb123 · 28-05-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by booyaka

Get shot of him and get Bemzema from PSG.

They would be wasting their time. They would be in the wrong part of France for a start.

Marc · 28-05-2009, 11:25 AM

ahh i remember the same arguments about a certain Andy Cole, who certainly proved his doubters wrong the next season! I think we need to give Berbatov another year, the first one, like Cole, was spent adapting to being in a team who play football, rather than constantly feed a target man.

sdb123 · 28-05-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodywizz

I agree RMCF - he has been terrible all season. People say that his first touch is sublime, which it can be - but combine this with an inability to score and a lack of desire to chase anything more than 10 yards away from him - and it is not good enough.

Maybe Berbatov should take a look at Anelka...I've not seen a more transformed player from what he used to be. He's very much a team-player now - I never thought I'd say that!

booyaka · 28-05-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jabintendo

I think Benzema plays for Lyon, but that doesn't really matteer.
I agree with everyone that he hasn't been very good and has not justifyed his price and place. I would have tevez all day long ahead of him

thanks for the correction

- still hung over from last night!

reddevil63 · 28-05-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc

ahh i remember the same arguments about a certain Andy Cole, who certainly proved his doubters wrong the next season! I think we need to give Berbatov another year, the first one, like Cole, was spent adapting to being in a team who play football, rather than constantly feed a target man.

Very true. I haven't been pleased with Berba's performances this season but the next one could be a blinder for him.

thelegendofyrag · 28-05-2009, 12:34 PM

I agree with the post about Berba being a player who needs a second striker to play alongside.

I also agree that we've seen a transformation in Anelka, but he had made alot of mistakes in the past and was far too lazy so now perhaps he realises this the last big club he plays for so is pulling his finger out?

I honestly cannot see Berbatov scoring 15+ goals next season. I'd have Tevez over him any day.

**Steven** · 28-05-2009, 1:30 PM

Did you not hear? Its because he makes it all look so easy that you Man Utd fans get the wrong idea

DrWise · 28-05-2009, 2:47 PM

i think berbas touch and assists are next to none
yeah he dont score but what he does is majestic
if we sell C ronaldo i think we should try getting kaka

and possibly moutinho

Oh and the reason why united lost last night
it wasnt the tactics, it was our key man Darren Fletcher was missing

**Steven** · 28-05-2009, 3:08 PM

Barca had 3 defenders out, so what could have been is something that can only be answered by the stars

I am a little bemused by people talking about Berbatov not running around chasing for the ball and harrying defenders. Did they not see him at Spurs? Or forget this is the same guy who was so unprofessional he refused to play for the team that was paying his wages in order to get a move to Man Utd?

DJT75 · 28-05-2009, 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wiser1

i think berbas touch and assists are next to none
yeah he dont score but what he does is majestic
if we sell C ronaldo i think we should try getting kaka

and possibly moutinho

Oh and the reason why united lost last night
it wasnt the tactics, it was our key man Darren Fletcher was missing

Too late on Kaka - watch this space, he'll be unveiled at his new team next Thursday (along with a new manager)

ed_mcl · 28-05-2009, 3:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wiser1

i think berbas touch and assists are next to none
yeah he dont score but what he does is majestic
if we sell C ronaldo i think we should try getting kaka

and possibly moutinho

Oh and the reason why united lost last night
it wasnt the tactics, it was our key man Darren Fletcher was missing

Key man???

Having watched the game, I honestly don't think that having Fletcher would have made a blind bit of difference. Barcelona were without 3 first choice defenders and had Iniesta and Henry just back from injuries, and whilst I thought that would work in Man U's favours it didn't.

Fletcher has been a good player this season, but he hasn't carried the team and it's not as if Man U don't have a enough quality throughout to compensate for his absence, they don't have to play players out of position to accommodate for that either.

sdb123 · 28-05-2009, 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJT75

Too late on Kaka - watch this space, he'll be unveiled at his new team next Thursday (along with a new manager)

Real Madrid?

thelegendofyrag · 28-05-2009, 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LFC_SL

Did you not hear? Its because he makes it all look so easy that you Man Utd fans get the wrong idea

On a serious note when he does do something special he does make it look easy!!

DJT75 · 28-05-2009, 3:34 PM

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Real Madrid?

I have it on good authority, & Villarreal will be after a new manager.

Coffin · 28-05-2009, 3:45 PM

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I have it on good authority, & Villarreal will be after a new manager.

Chelsea? Man City? Real?

I bet Kaka is still at Milan next season.

Nebby · 28-05-2009, 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RMCF

Fergie paid £31.75million for the striker, yet failed to play him in the biggest game they have played in years.

Does this admit that Fergie made a huge mistake?

He is a very stubborn man and will probably never admit it, just like the money he wasted on Veron.

Funny how Berbatov (14 goals in 45 appearances) is seen as a flop by many, whereas Tevez (15 goals in 51 appearances) is seen as the best thing since sliced bread.

Running about a bit doesn't make Tevez any better than Berbatov, just different.

In terms of goals vs games, the Bulgarian is the more prolific.

DrWise · 28-05-2009, 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJT75

Too late on Kaka - watch this space, he'll be unveiled at his new team next Thursday (along with a new manager)

portsmouth?

sdb123 · 28-05-2009, 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebby

Running about a bit doesn't make Tevez any better than Berbatov, just different.

It certainly gives him the nod in terms of teamwork and team ethic (in fact anything with the word team in it).

DJT75 · 29-05-2009, 8:36 AM

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Chelsea? Man City? Real?

I bet Kaka is still at Milan next season.

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portsmouth?

sdb123 was correct. It's a done deal (so my contacts tell me) & Real will also be installing Villarreal's Manuel Pellegrini as manager

**mabo** · 29-05-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebby

Funny how Berbatov (14 goals in 45 appearances) is seen as a flop by many, whereas Tevez (15 goals in 51 appearances) is seen as the best thing since sliced bread.

Running about a bit doesn't make Tevez any better than Berbatov, just different.

In terms of goals vs games, the Bulgarian is the more prolific.

Closing down and work rate are huge parts of the Utd game though.

Bear in mind how many of those goals Tevez has scored after coming on as a sub and from a wide postion versus Berba's central role and Tevez's achievement looks the more impressive imo.

thelegendofyrag · 29-05-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebby

Funny how Berbatov (14 goals in 45 appearances) is seen as a flop by many, whereas Tevez (15 goals in 51 appearances) is seen as the best thing since sliced bread.

Running about a bit doesn't make Tevez any better than Berbatov, just different.

In terms of goals vs games, the Bulgarian is the more prolific.

Tevez's workrate creates opportunities for the rest of the team.

He closes players down putting them under pressure causing them to give the ball away! Berbatov doesnt do alot other than wait for the ball.

arthurdentpc · 29-05-2009, 12:14 PM

Milan should take the cash for Kaka (should be up to £100m) - they could buy a whole new defence and have cash left over for the likes of David Villa for that. Kaka hasn't shone for Milan for 2 seasons now.