Boxing Discussion Thread

[Iccz]

Post edited to update list of major upcoming fights:

Saturday 1 August 2009

[WBO light welterweight title]
Timothy Bradley
Win: 24 (11)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

Nate Campbell
Win: 33 (25)
Lose: 5 (2)
Draw: 1

Result (highlight): Timothy Bradley wins as Nate Campbell retires in the 3rd round with a cut over his left eye.

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Junior Witter
Win: 37 (22)
Lose: 2 (0)
Draw: 2

Devon Alexander
Win: 18 (11)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

Result (highlight): Devon Alexander takes the win as Witter retires in the 8th after suffering an injury to his left hand

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Saturday 15 August 2009

Jeff Lacy
Win: 25 (17)
Lose: 2 (0)
Draw: 0

Roy Jones Jr
Win: 53 (39)
Lose: 5 (2)
Draw: 0

Result (highlight): Roy Jones Jr wins it in the 10th as Lacy retires.

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Saturday 22 August 2009

Juan Diaz
Win: 34 (17)
Lose: 2 (1)
Draw: 0

Paul Malignaggi
Win: 26 (5)
Lose: 2 (1)
Draw: 0

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Malcolm Klassen
Win: 24 (15)
Lose: 4 (0)
Draw: 2

Robert Guerrero
Win: 24 (17)
Lose: 1 (0)
Draw: 1

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Daniel Jacobs
Win: 17 (15)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

Ishe Smith
Win: 21 (9)
Lose: 3 (0)
Draw: 0

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Friday 28 August 2009

[IBF light welterweight title]
Juan Urango
Win: 21 (16)
Lose: 2 (0)
Draw: 1

Randall Bailey
Win: 39 (35)
Lose: 6 (2)
Draw: 0

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Tavoris Cloud
Win: 19 (18)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

Clinton Woods
Win: 42 (24)
Lose: 4 (1)
Draw: 0

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Friday 11 September 2009

John McDermott
Win: 25 (16)
Lose: 5 (2)
Draw: 0

Tyson Fury
Win: 7 (7)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

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Saturday 12 September 2009

Mikkel Kessler
Win: 41 (31)
Lose: 1 (0)
Draw: 0

Gusmyl Perdomo
Win: 16 (10)
Lose: 2 (0)
Draw: 0

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Saturday 19 September 2009

Floyd Mayweather Jr
Win: 39 (25)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

Juan Manuel Marquez
Win: 50 (37)
Lose: 4 (0)
Draw: 1

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Chris John
Win: 42 (22)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 2

Rocky Juarez
Win: 28 (20)
Lose: 4 (0)
Draw: 1

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Zab Judah
Win: 37 (25)
Lose: 6 (2)
Draw: 0

Antonio Diaz
Win: 46 (29)
Lose: 5 (3)
Draw: 1

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Saturday 26 September 2009

[WBC heavyweight title]
Vitali Klitschko
Win: 37 (36)
Lose: 2 (2)
Draw: 0

Chris Arreola
Win: 27 (24)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

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Saturday 17 October 2009

Arthur Abraham
Win: 30 (24)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

Jermain Taylor
Win: 28 (17)
Lose: 3 (2)
Draw: 1

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Carl Froch
Win: 25 (20)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

Andre Dirrell
Win: 18 (13)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

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Saturday 7 November 2009

Nikolay Valuev
Win: 50 (34)
Lose: 1 (0)
Draw: 0

David Haye
Win: 22 (21)
Lose: 1 (1)
Draw: 0

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Saturday 7 November 2009

Chad Dawson
Win: 28 (17)
Lose: 0 (0)
Draw: 0

Glen Johnson
Win: 49 (33)
Lose: 12 (1)
Draw: 2

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Saturday 14 November 2009

Manny Pacquiao
Win: 49 (37)
Lose: 3 (2)
Draw: 2

Miguel Angel Cotto
Win: 34 (27)
Lose: 1 (1)
Draw: 0

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Jesus Soto Karass
Win: 23 (16)
Lose: 3 (0)
Draw: 3

Alfonso Gomez
Win: 19 (9)
Lose: 4 (1)
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[Spligsey]

Chagaev V Valuev

I really don't care who wins this one.

Berto V Urango

Berto should win this - he has skills & i think is the better man

Cotto V Clottey

Cotto for me - important fight for him, will be in position for the marquee fights. Clottey is no mug.

Tyson Fury - far too early to make any concrete assessments

Klitschko V Haye

Like to see Haye win this. Putting himself up against the BIG heavyweights is to be commended. Wlad is a Strong bloke - good jab. Crux will be when Haye gets hit flush - will he be able to take heavyweight power. Both fighters will be in great shape.

Kotelnik V Khan

I still can't warm to Khan - but, he will be better under Roach. I'll give him the nod on this one.

Mayweather V Marquez

Floyd will make sure he has all the advantages for this - especially if it's at 147. Floyd rarely takes risks.
Safe to say we all like Marquez & i'd LOVE to see him win.
Will the 18 month or so lay off hurt him?. Marquez is not the sort of boxer you'd like to take on after an extended layoff - which is why Floyd will ensure he holds the cards in his hands.

Lacy V Jones

Wasn't aware of this fight - If it happens..Oh dear - I'll still go far Jones as he'll have to much boxing skills for Lacy.

It will be interesting to see who Carl Froch takes on next - I think it will be Lucian Bute
Looking forward to seeing Paul Williams next fight. This guy really does have all the tools coupled with an outrageous reach advantage!
Would like to see Mikkel Kessler get involved - looks like he has issues with his promotions team which may hinder (for the moment)
We await the Pac express next fight too!

[Iccz]

What's going on with boxing lately, all these injuries/delays/cancellations

Pavlik - Mora
Haye - Klitschko
Valuev - Chagaev
Khan - Kotelink
Mayweather - Marquez


Is it me or are there a lot more fights being moved/cancelled etc lately

[wayne2467]

The word is Mayweather pulled out so he can fight Pacman first instead. We will see.

[wiser1]

cotto vs clottey was a damn good fight brutal aswell
cotto did well for the win and with the eye gash

mayweather marquez postponed as is khans fight, i still have no idea why his fights are shown on sbo it aint worthy material, and that looks likely to move to the 18th july now unless frank warren finds another opponent, roy jones and JL will be a good fight, but Rjj should win comfortably
wonder when we'll see juan diaz and jesus diaz fight again

[markgodley]

thanks for this, much easier to see who's fighting on what day now

Looking forward to Wladimir Klitschko tonight. This guy reminds me of the Russian guy from rocky

[Iccz]

Watching it at the moment, I know a lot of boxing fans hate both the Klitschko brothers, but they can say what they want, I love the technical way they fight for heavyweights, the way they don't spend most of the fight hugging each other and the fact they're both in good shape, looks like a couple of interesting other fights on the lineup too

[markgodley]

You have put Khan to fight tomorrow but he's not fighting until 16 July?

[Iccz]

Originally Posted by markgodley

You have put Khan to fight tomorrow but he's not fighting until 16 July?

I started the thread before the fight was delayed because of Kotelnik's tooth "injury", but yeah it is delayed to the 16th

[Mr Jason B]

Originally Posted by Iccz

I know a lot of boxing fans hate both the Klitschko brothers, but they can say what they want, I love the technical way they fight for heavyweights

errrr, yeah great, if you love watching someone jab , jab, jab, jab, jab , jab, right hand.....jab, jab, jab,jab, jab, jab, right hand......oooo, he has got a bit close, hold....jab, jab, jab,jab,, jab, jab, right hand

He may be very technical at those 2 punches and yes he is in good shape for a big guy, but he does not throw uppercuts,hooks,body shots...just 2 punches, over and over! He is also scared to death of being hit, and will avoid trading at all costs.How any boxing fan can think that is great is beyond me

[markgodley]

Originally Posted by Iccz

I started the thread before the fight was delayed because of Kotelnik's tooth "injury", but yeah it is delayed to the 16th

Ahhh thanks!

Originally Posted by Mr Jason B

errrr, yeah great, if you love watching someone jab , jab, jab, jab, jab , jab, right hand.....jab, jab, jab,jab, jab, jab, right hand......oooo, he has got a bit close, hold....jab, jab, jab,jab,, jab, jab, right hand

He may be very technical at those 2 punches and yes he is in good shape for a big guy, but he does not throw uppercuts,hooks,body shots...just 2 punches, over and over! He is also scared to death of being hit, and will avoid trading at all costs.How any boxing fan can think that is great is beyond me

Yes i agree wasnt a great fight to watch but ill give him credit he controlled the fight how he wanted it. There's not point changing anything if your controlling the fight to how you want it?
The other guy should of got in close whatever the cost, it was the only way he was going to get a chance of winning.

[Iccz]

Originally Posted by Mr Jason B

errrr, yeah great, if you love watching someone jab , jab, jab, jab, jab , jab, right hand.....jab, jab, jab,jab, jab, jab, right hand......oooo, he has got a bit close, hold....jab, jab, jab,jab,, jab, jab, right hand

He may be very technical at those 2 punches and yes he is in good shape for a big guy, but he does not throw uppercuts,hooks,body shots...just 2 punches, over and over! He is also scared to death of being hit, and will avoid trading at all costs.How any boxing fan can think that is great is beyond me

Oh don't get me wrong they're not exciting boxers, but they're better than some heavyweights out there, I mean a lot of them just swing wildly looking for the one punch then clinch, at least the Klitschko brothers have technical sides to their fight, it might not be the most exciting but it's boxing.

Why throw hooks and uppercuts when you're able to score KO's with a straight right?

I think given the heavyweight divisions boxers they're some of the best to watch, sadly...

I don't think any heavyweight fight has been great for years, certainly not something i'd want to watch over again, that's where welterweight and middleweight have been better over the past few years.

Originally Posted by markgodley

Yes i agree wasnt a great fight to watch but ill give him credit he controlled the fight how he wanted it. There's not point changing anything if your controlling the fight to how you want it?
The other guy should of got in close whatever the cost, it was the only way he was going to get a chance of winning.

Chagaev never had the power to trouble Wlad, even if he can't take hits well, Chagaev isn't a big hitter, he would have needed to get in and fire a couple of good headshots off to even bother him.

[Mr Jason B]

Originally Posted by Iccz

Why throw hooks and uppercuts when you're able to score KO's with a straight right?

Because there is more to boxing than jabs and straight rights.Boxing is as much a businesss as it is a sport, and people want to be entertained, they do not want to watch somone throwing jabs for 8 rounds until their opponent has lost the will to fight back and can be taken out safely

Originally Posted by Iccz

Chagaev never had the power to trouble Wlad, even if he can't take hits well, Chagaev isn't a big hitter

Exactly, so why did Wlad feel he had to fight so negativley? Klit has ko power in both hands and all the tools needed to be a formidable destructive force in the ring but he is so petrified of being ko'd again, that he just jabs,jabs,jabs until there is no fight left in his opponent - ok, it is effective, but what is the point in being effective if nobody wants to watch it (apart from the weird Germans)?

Lennox Lewis was able to employ the same tactics, and I would say his straight right was even more powerful than Klit's, but Lewis didnt fight like that all the time - he varied his styles and strategy depending on his opponents, jabbing dangerous sluggers like Tua into submission and destroying fighters like Golota with a barrage of punches in the 1st round. I would say Lewis had one of the most devastating uppercuts in boxing, should he not have thrown that punch because it was safer to just throw jabs and straight rights?


The sooner Haye gets in the ring with Klit and ko's him the better off boxing will be IMO

[Iccz]

Originally Posted by Mr Jason B

Because there is more to boxing than jabs and straight rights.Boxing is as much a businesss as it is a sport, and people want to be entertained, they do not want to watch somone throwing jabs for 8 rounds until their opponent has lost the will to fight back and can be taken out safely

I agree there is more to boxing than straight rights, and a tall boxer should be destroying shorter guys with uppercuts, don't get me wrong I think it's a shame that he isn't taking advantage of this, the problem with the heavyweight division now is it isn't an entertaining division and it's going to take an awful lot to make it exciting again, that's why the lower divisions will become more popular, you get the speed and exciting bouts.

Originally Posted by Mr Jason B

Exactly, so why did Wlad feel he had to fight so negativley? Klit has ko power in both hands and all the tools needed to be a formidable destructive force in the ring but he is so petrified of being ko'd again, that he just jabs,jabs,jabs until there is no fight left in his opponent - ok, it is effective, but what is the point in being effective if nobody wants to watch it (apart from the weird Germans)?

Wlad went into the fight not knowing totally what was in front of him, though he goes into every fight with negativity, it's what gives him the defensive style and why he is able to win so many fights. The Germans will watch any boxing, and they always get good crowds, I don't know why, but in the heavyweight division it is boring, and it needs something doing about it... what I do not know, the likes of Haye as you said and also Tyson Fury could possibly help but I don't think it's enough.

Originally Posted by Mr Jason B

Lennox Lewis was able to employ the same tactics, and I would say his straight right was even more powerful than Klit's, but Lewis didnt fight like that all the time - he varied his styles and strategy depending on his opponents, jabbing dangerous sluggers like Tua into submission and destroying fighters like Golota with a barrage of punches in the 1st round. I would say Lewis had one of the most devastating uppercuts in boxing, should he not have thrown that punch because it was safer to just throw jabs and straight rights?

Lewis had a great straight right, and of course he varid his style well, as for one of the most devastating uppercuts in boxing i'm not totally sure i'd agree with you, Tyson had a better uppercut and he was a shorter guy, if he was taller that would have been scary, then you have Rocky Marciano - had a brilliant uppercut, George Foreman - especially that one that destroyed Frazier, then there is an old great like Earnie Shavers, though still have to give Lewis some credit, but his uppercut was hardly amazing.

I'm not saying any boxer has any excuse to avoid throwing certain punches, they should be working on their weaker punches to try improve their game, as you said, they are entertainers. The problem is the tall eastern european fighters have this style and it works, so what reason would they have to change it

Originally Posted by Mr Jason B

The sooner Haye gets in the ring with Klit and ko's him the better off boxing will be IMO

Agreed, there are too many bum heavyweights about that need sorting out with speed and power rather than just technique and reach. It's a shame the heavyweight division has taken such a fall, lets hope it can get back up to standard.

[1 Install]

i think david haye will get his ass wooped, i see him fight in Reading a few years back at the rivermead leisure centre and he blatantly got beat. He was out on his feet and the ref stepped into give him a breather and then when he threw a decent combination a few mins later the ref jumped in and said the other bloke was unfit to continue. im not saying he is no good but i dont think he is up to the challenge but il gladly have a wager with anyone on it