[landwomble]

Right, just upgraded to SkyHD and I think the PIN behaviour's changed.
If I want to watch something before the watershed that's over a certain rating, apparently due to OFCOM I have to put my PIN in.
Now, on some channels, on my older Sky+ box, this didn't happen - I could just flick over, watch it, flick back.
On SkyHD, it wants the PIN before watching.

Is this normal? It's definitely *different* to how Sky+ used to do it.

[Broadz]

So set your Sky HD box up to have the same PIN settings as your Sky+ box.

[roxyskinflint]

Im not convinced this works, ive just upgraded to movies and its started to do this on the movie channels ive gone into the settings and turned all parental controls off and its still asking me for my pin

[landwomble]

Originally Posted by roxyskinflint

Im not convinced this works, ive just upgraded to movies and its started to do this on the movie channels ive gone into the settings and turned all parental controls off and its still asking me for my pin

same here. all turned off in settings, still getting prompted where i didn't with sky+. i *think* the settings menu is only for *playback*, not live TV though.

[Jack_is_Back]

It's ridiculous. We should have the choice whether to have PIN restrictions or not.

[digigriffin]

I think I heard that this is because sky are now able to show higher rated films before the watershed.

In order to do this Ofcom or whoever said they have to make them pin protected?

So this means that whether you want it or not the pin protection is now somewhat mandatory at certain times.

I don't believe there is a difference between sky+hd and sky+ with respect to this.

I have just tried this on my Sky+ and to view a 15 rated filem at 16:44 in the afternoon requires a pin.
To view a PG does not.

[Bachstrad]

Originally Posted by Jack_is_Back

It's ridiculous. We should have the choice whether to have PIN restrictions or not.

You need to tell that to OFCOM:-

Films, premium subscription film services, pay per view services, adult-sex material on premium subscription services

1.20 No film refused classification by the British Board of Film Classification (’BBFC’) may be broadcast unless it has subsequently been classified or the BBFC has confirmed that it would not be rejected according to the standards currently operating. Also, no film cut as a condition of classification by the BBFC may be transmitted in a version which includes the cut material unless:

the BBFC has confirmed that the material was cut to allow the film to pass at a lower category; or
the BBFC has confirmed that the film would not be subject to compulsory cuts according to the standards currently operating.
1.21 BBFC 18-rated films or their equivalent must not be broadcast before 2100 on any service (except for pay per view services), and even then they may be unsuitable for broadcast at that time.

1.22 Premium subscription film services may broadcast up to BBFC 15-rated films or their equivalent, at any time of day provided:

there is a protection system (a mandatory PIN or other equivalent protection) pre 2000 and post 0530, that seeks satisfactorily to restrict access solely to those authorised to view when material other than BBFC U-rated or PG-rated or their equivalents is shown; and
those security systems which are in place to protect children are clearly explained to all subscribers.
1.23 Pay per view services may broadcast up to BBFC 18-rated films or their equivalent, at any time of day provided:

there is a protection system pre 2100 and post 0530 (a mandatory PIN or other equivalent protection), that seeks satisfactorily to restrict access solely to those authorised to view when material other than BBFC U-rated or PG-rated or their equivalents is shown;
information is provided about programme content that will assist adults to assess its suitability for children;
there is a detailed billing system for subscribers which clearly itemises all viewing including viewing times and dates; and
those security systems which are in place to protect children are clearly explained to all subscribers.
1.24 Premium subscription services and pay per view/night services may broadcast ‘adult–sex’ material between 2200 and 0530 provided that in addition to other protections mentioned above:

there is a mandatory PIN protected encryption system, or other equivalent protection, that seeks satisfactorily to restrict access solely to those authorised to view; and
there are measures in place that ensure that the subscriber is an adult.
1.25 BBFC R18-rated films or their equivalent must not be broadcast.

Source

ATB

Max

[Jack_is_Back]

Originally Posted by Jack_is_Back

It's ridiculous. We should have the choice whether to have PIN restrictions or not.

To clarify, I meant after the watershed.

I understand (and agree with) the need to PIN-protect some films shown during the daytime, but why should I have to enter a PIN to watch an 18-rated movie at say midnight?!

[Bachstrad]

Originally Posted by Jack_is_Back

To clarify, I meant after the watershed.

I understand (and agree with) the need to PIN-protect some films shown during the daytime, but why should I have to enter a PIN to watch an 18-rated movie at say midnight?!

You shouldn't and the facility is provided for you to turn that PIN request off. If that's not working properly and not cured by a reboot, then I would suggest a forced software download to try and correct the problem. HTH.

ATB

Max

[KenjohnB]

Something wierd happening here!

I've never had an issue in the past with PIN numbers. If I watched a movie "live" pre-watershed, I've always had to put a PIN in, which is fair enough. However, as I have "PIN on Pre-Watershed Playback" set to "Off", I've never had to enter a PIN at any time if I watched a film recorded in my Planner. As far as I can recall, I didn't need a PIN if I watched from Anytime either (I definitely didn't if I recorded from Anytime to my Planner)

Last night at 10.30 pm, I tried to watch "Kenny" (rated 15) from Anytime and was asked for a PIN. So I copied it to my Planner and was still asked for a PIN. Same thing with "Hostel 2" (18) but not Die Hard 4.0 (15) or Fatal Attraction (18).

I've just spoken to Sky Technical Support and got the most ridiculous answer I've ever heard - "It is required on some films but not others". What, so it is required on a 15 film but not an 18? Its required well after the watershed? In all honesty, she didn't know what she was talking about so I ended the call.

I've done a planner rebuild, but still the same.

Anyone any idea what the hell is going on?

Ken

[David WC2]

Just spent 25 minutes on phone trying to speak to Sky. They say:

• the PIN/watershed option only applies to recorded programs
• a software upgrade for HD boxes means that it now requires PINs on all adult movies, at any time of the day (including after the watershed); first they said this was correct behaviour (even though non-HD SKY + does not require PINs after the watershed), then they said that it was a fault that would be fixed on a future software update

Why don't they just add a (PIN-protected) option to allow us adults (who don't have children) to permanently turn-off the PIN requirement?

[Arthur Hucksake]

Originally Posted by David WC2

Just spent 25 minutes on phone trying to speak to Sky. They say:

• the PIN/watershed option only applies to recorded programs
• a software upgrade for HD boxes means that it now requires PINs on all adult movies, at any time of the day (including after the watershed); first they said this was correct behaviour (even though non-HD SKY + does not require PINs after the watershed), then they said that it was a fault that would be fixed on a future software update

Why don't they just add a (PIN-protected) option to allow us adults (who don't have children) to permanently turn-off the PIN requirement?

It's to cover their ass, then if there are any comebacks inwhich they try to blame a certain movie viewed on Sky, the onus is then on the sky box owner.

It's annoying, but i'd sooner take this then have to tolerate PG crap up until watershed.

[jackobite]

Originally Posted by Jack_is_Back

To clarify, I meant after the watershed.

I understand (and agree with) the need to PIN-protect some films shown during the daytime, but why should I have to enter a PIN to watch an 18-rated movie at say midnight?!

for your own protection jack....maybe they dont want to set you off again!!!!if your back....we all want to be safe!!!.....jacobite.

[turbohat]

I was asked for my PIN this afternoo so the kids could watch Garfield Gets Real. Cert U !!!

Very odd

[David WC2]

Originally Posted by Arthur Hucksake

It's to cover their ass, then if there are any comebacks inwhich they try to blame a certain movie viewed on Sky, the onus is then on the sky box owner.

It's annoying, but i'd sooner take this then have to tolerate PG crap up until watershed.

OK, but why not have both: pin-protected movies before the watershed, and non-pin-protected movies after the watershed (the same that SKY + (non-HD) still has)?

[WATTS]

This has just started happening on my NEW Samsung sky HD box!!! Very very annoying.
Now before watershed i understand the reasoning having it in place as i have 2 kids (although i use parental control to control what my children watch on their own Sky+ boxes anyway as its my responsibility) but at 11:30PM at night on a 12 film to enter a pin is very very annoying and if it carries on then im afraid its by by to my subscription to HD and movies!!!!

Maybe if more parents took charge of their children or the minority of do gooders / old people worked out how to use a Sky box to disable whatever they dont want to see we all wouldnt have to suffer like this.

Now going from the OFCOM regulations posted above they only want pin protection pre watershed for 15 rated movies UP TO 9:00PM and pin up to 10:00PM on 18 rated.

So after 9:00PM if im watching a 15 rated movie BY LAW I SHOULD NOT NEED A PIN!!
BY LAW AFTER 10:00 PM I DO NOT NEED A PIN.

What the hell is going on?