[VJVJ]

Hello everyone,

Based on the feed finding system I could get around 20+ athletics meets, without buying a package, I wouldn't get on UK TV which would like it worthwile for me.
I must stress I am still a (extreme) novice might have interpreted the information wrong.

1) I would like to be able to watch these feeds via my PC and would I be able to use a BGT3600 to pick up and record these feeds?

2) With the BGT3600 will I be able to have Freeview and Satellite plugged in at the same time? or is there another PCI-E card that would do that?

3) Would I need a type of software to find the feeds?

4) What type of dish will I need? I assume a motorised. If I can get away with a portable one I would be happy!

5) Will I need a receiver?
If I can get away with out one I would be pleased because of space and connecting it to a PC.

6) Would these feeds work with a portable dish?

I'm gonna put as much information so I get the right help.

These are the feeds I found on Feeds TV par satellite forums frquences et images - Satelliweb but
they pick up the feeds from france so will they be different satellites in England? Using my basic sense I assume not because france isn't far from England and they're satellite would point the same way.

Originally Posted by Feeds found from satelliweb.com (france)

Feeds Found
Jamaica International Invitational 2012 MPEG-2 4:2:0 (PAL) Eutelsat W3A (7.0°E)
Athletics:Golden Grand Prix in Kawasaki 2012 MPEG-2 4:2:0 (PAL) Eutelsat W1 (10.0°E)
IAAF World Challenge Meetings(Daegu) MPEG-2 4:2:0 (PAL) Eutelsat W3A (7.0°E)
Grande Premio Brasil Caixa de Atletismo-Rio de Janeiro MPEG-2 4:2:0 (PAL) Atlantic Bird 1 (12.5°W)
Fanny Blankers-Koen Games in Hengelo MPEG-2 4:2:2 Atlantic Bird 2 / Télécom 2D (8.0°W)
Ostrava MPEG-2 crypté Eutelsat W3A (7.0°E)
Rabat Meet MPEG-2 4:2:2 Eutelsat W6 (21.6°E)
Znamensky Memoria MPEG-2 4:2:0 (PAL) Eutelsat W1 (10.0°E)
meeting in Madrid MPEG-2 4:2:0 (PAL) Eutelsat W3A (7.0°E)
Meeting Athletics from Rieti Atlantic Bird 1 (12.5°W)
World Challenge meeting from Berlin MPEG-2 4:2:0 (PAL) Eutelsat W1 (10.0°E)
World Challenge meeting from Zagreb 4:2:0 (PAL) Eutelsat W1 (10.0°E)
World Youth Champs Lille(dvb-s2) MPEG-2 crypté Eutelsat W3A (7.0°E)


Indoors

104th Millrose Games from Madison Square Gardens MPEG 4:2:0 Eutelsat W1 (10.0°E)
French Indoors MPEG-4
Athletics Indoor Meeting Pas-de-Calais from Liévin 4:2:0 Eutelsat W1 (10.0°E)
Athletics: meeting indoor from Zaragoza 4:2:0 Intelsat 905 (24.5°W)
indoor athletics from New York 4:2:0 Eutelsat W1 (10.0°E)
XL Galan from Stockholm(s2/hdtv) 4:2:0 Eutelsat W3A (7.0°E)

Looking to spend as little money as possible. I would really appreciate the help.

[1080 jawbreaker]

you need to check if feeds are encrypted also. Normally in BISS.

"Prof tuners" do a good usb tuner.

Some feeds are transmmited on weak transponders so it can be hit and miss as to wether you recieve them or not. A feed can be there 1 minute and gone the next, i wouldnt gaurantee any viewing when feeds are involved.

If you want access to all the above sats then motorised is the way to go. I have a 1mtr dish in the North East but its not big enough for a lot of feeds that are listed on Satelliweb.

[VJVJ]

Originally Posted by 1080 jawbreaker

you need to check if feeds are encrypted also. Normally in BISS.

"Prof tuners" do a good usb tuner.

Some feeds are transmmited on weak transponders so it can be hit and miss as to wether you recieve them or not. A feed can be there 1 minute and gone the next, i wouldnt gaurantee any viewing when feeds are involved.

If you want access to all the above sats then motorised is the way to go. I have a 1mtr dish in the North East but its not big enough for a lot of feeds that are listed on Satelliweb.

What is BISS?

WOW 1 meter and not big enough! Interesting.

How do you know it's not big enough, just so I gain a bit more of an understanding!

Most of those feeds are on Eutelsat? If I just wanted the ones on Eutelsat is there such thing as an Eutelsat dish?

[davemurgatroyd2]

Eutelsat are the owners of numerous satellites at various positions across the satellite arc - 7.0 E, 10.0 E, 13.0 E and 28.5 E to name but 4. The important part is the orbital position 7.0 E etc. so really a motorised dish is essential. Size of dish required really depends on which satellite they are on and its intended focussed beam location on Earth - signal strength dropping off drastically the further you are from its intended focal point. Very few feeds are receivable on dishes as small as 60cm and many are only available with dishes well in excess of 1 metre.

Feeds are broadcasting events back to the broadcasters studios where often commentaries and graphics are added. Viewing satellite feeds is NOT a satisfactory way to ensure reception of your favoured programming and most satellite enthusiasts view it as a nice addition to their normal viewing. Feeds swap around on different satellites and different frequencies, often on a daily basis so before you start viewing at any particular time you have to first find which satellite and which frequency - so basically you can forget unattended recordings set in advance. Many are encrypted (BISS being merely one of the encryption formats) and viewing cards are NOT available for these feeds. They are also broadcast in two main video standards 4.2.0 and 4.2.2 - virtually all receivers and PC cards will be able to view the first standard but most and many computer programmes are unable to view the 4.2.2 standard which is mainly used in broadcasting studios and transmission chains.

[logiciel]

1: What is a "BGT3600"?
2: How does Freeview come into this at all?
4: and 6: Motorised, and large - not likely to be portable.
5: If you're using a PC tuner card you don't need a receiver as well.
On the last point I don't see it being anything other than an expensive way of doing things.

[davemurgatroyd2]

Originally Posted by logiciel

1: What is a "BGT3600"?

A PC tuner card

2: How does Freeview come into this at all?

It has multiple tuners capable of DVB-T, DVB-C and DVB-S tuning

4: and 6: Motorised, and large - not likely to be portable.
5: If you're using a PC tuner card you don't need a receiver as well.
On the last point I don't see it being anything other than an expensive way of doing things.

Not only expensive but also something as a newbie you could take a very long time to set-up and get working in its limited way. As stated above most experienced satellite users would consider feeds as a nice addition when available but certainly not a mainstream way of life for normal viewing.

[pedro2000uk]

We've done quite a number of installs that are primarily for feeds - if it's not broadcast industry related it's usually a specific sport interest either being directly involved or from a sport related business angle. If you get into it & know the different broadcasters it becomes more usable.

Dish size also depends on 'your' location & which satellites - most satellites do favour further south in the UK, but some further east & a few further west. You can get quite a lot on a small dish but you are better with at 90cm or 1m & some do require much bigger- some of the contributors on feed hunter sites might be in a better position for some footprints &/or have much bigger dishes & use spectrums etc.. to spot new feeds.

Keeping known feed frequencies & SRs updated in an stb [or pc using a card] is admittedly tedious at first but it can beat blind scan speed wise.. a lot of feed frequencies & SRs are reused repeatedly & a basic scan can be performed very fast if you set up a spare sat position with just feed frequencies.

[kevkbuk]

Depends what you think is expensive really... A quality 1.1m motorised dish can be supplied and professionally installed for approx £300 and will last many years. For feeds you only need an fta receiver so could save some money buying a basic model. For a single tuner only I'd get a Dreambox dm800se, they can stream to a PC and are small.

If you are thinking of using a pc tuner you are more than capable of learning about feeds. Sites such as Satelliweb take the hard work out of finding them and tuning into them is easy. 4.2.0 fta feeds will play on any receiver given you can lock onto the signal. 4.2.2 need a specialist receiver, or viewing on a pc which a pc tuner or via Linux box such as a Dreambox will allow. Assume you can't get any that are list as encrypted, but if you find the keys online that'll be a bonus... You'll also find sport shown on fta channels on other satellites as well as just feeds so don't forget about those.

If you can afford it and don't mind having a large dish go for it, you won't regret it. If you can get 26e and 7w it will also offer some good English channels to add to your Freeview/Freesat setup for general entertainment.

See the following site for some examples of decent installs and an idea of the free channels available:
purplesat.com - Satellite & Aerial TV Installations & products.

[noiseboy72]

Not sure how this translates to consumer receivers, but a few years ago when we use satelilte for Commercial TV links (We use fibre now), we could normally pick up lots of feeds and decode the "Razz" code by entering the day's date. I seem to remember only the horse racing was impossible to de-scramble. This was on Tandberg DVB receivers with a keypad on the front to enter the de-crypt code.

[1080 jawbreaker]

Originally Posted by noiseboy72

Not sure how this translates to consumer receivers, but a few years ago when we use satelilte for Commercial TV links (We use fibre now), we could normally pick up lots of feeds and decode the "Razz" code by entering the day's date. I seem to remember only the horse racing was impossible to de-scramble. This was on Tandberg DVB receivers with a keypad on the front to enter the de-crypt code.

still a few "RAS" encypted feeds around today but the majority of encrypted feeds us BISS as an easy encryption. Watching feeds can get addictive.
Plenty of recievers with patched firmwares allow BISS access

[ABARKIE]

Hi

Shouldnt the OP consider an AZ Box

I know they are not everyones cup of tea but can decode 4:2:2

Mind you I have an old Quali TV recevier in a cupboard somewhere that does 4:2:2 also

Thanks

[VJVJ]

Originally Posted by kevkbuk

Depends what you think is expensive really... A quality 1.1m motorised dish can be supplied and professionally installed for approx £300 and will last many years. For feeds you only need an fta receiver so could save some money buying a basic model. For a single tuner only I'd get a Dreambox dm800se, they can stream to a PC and are small.

If you are thinking of using a pc tuner you are more than capable of learning about feeds. Sites such as Satelliweb take the hard work out of finding them and tuning into them is easy. 4.2.0 fta feeds will play on any receiver given you can lock onto the signal. 4.2.2 need a specialist receiver, or viewing on a pc which a pc tuner or via Linux box such as a Dreambox will allow. Assume you can't get any that are list as encrypted, but if you find the keys online that'll be a bonus... You'll also find sport shown on fta channels on other satellites as well as just feeds so don't forget about those.

If you can afford it and don't mind having a large dish go for it, you won't regret it. If you can get 26e and 7w it will also offer some good English channels to add to your Freeview/Freesat setup for general entertainment.

See the following site for some examples of decent installs and an idea of the free channels available:
purplesat.com - Satellite & Aerial TV Installations & products.

Thanks. How would I connect the box to the PC (Windows)?

I did email purplesat about doing another job whilst questioning about this job but maybe they're busy.

[kevkbuk]

Originally Posted by VJVJ

Thanks. How would I connect the box to the PC (Windows)?

Via Ethernet networking, the web interface on the box allows you to view channels and listings and remote control it and also stream video to the Pc.

[1080 jawbreaker]

Originally Posted by ABARKIE

Hi

Shouldnt the OP consider an AZ Box

I know they are not everyones cup of tea but can decode 4:2:2

Mind you I have an old Quali TV recevier in a cupboard somewhere that does 4:2:2 also

Thanks

1 of the few that can handle 4:2:2 and blind scanning. Theres the odd feed that uses h264 4:2:2 but afaik theres no consumer reciever that can decode that so a PC is required for those.