[scottthehat]

Hi just want to know how it works with tv . I have my pc monitors calibrated via spider elite 3 and it saves the profiles on the computer for the graphic cards.

could it be used to calibrate my tvs if so how does it work with, how does it save the profiles on the tv.

Also do people just calibrate for film blue ray or each source.

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

How it works depends on the tv. Some tv's allow you to create new presets. Others you have to use the presets that are there already to achieve calibrated settings.

Calibration is of the entire display chain. not just the tv. So the individual sources should be taken in to consideration. The problems come when everything goes to the same input on a set but the sources may be for NTSC, PAL, HDTV...all have different standards....actually there are all sorts of other problems as well but there you go...

[scottthehat]

thanks gordon, my sammy d550 doesnt support profiles only the presets, this is what my problem is so the only way to calibrate is to adjust the presets. i have used the avsfourms dvd and set that up and cheaked a few pics against my calibrated cump monitors and its 99% ok so will do for now, just wanted to know if i could use the spyder elite but i cant unless i watch films from a computer.

as you say its hard because my blu ray goes direct to tv but on the tv it doesnt give me an option to adjust the colour.

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

You can't set iCC profiles like you do on a computer but you could use your Spyder with another parties software to actually measure what is happening with your display and make adjsutments there. Free software is available from HCFR...and you can buy software from Calman and Chromapure that may support your Spyder hardware (check with the vendors).

You would use this software to measure the response then modify the presets (either in user menu or in service menu) to make the set more accurate.

re: BD and colour. I am unsure if you are talking about an actual "colour" (saturation) control or whether you mean greyscale adjustments. If you mean saturation then it's likely you are sending RGB from your BD to the tv. In which case there shouldn't be any colour control and if there is then it means the tv is turning the RGB in to component internally for further processing, before turning it back in to RGB for display. If this is the case set your BD player to outpu YPrPb/YCrCb or COMPONENT 4:2:2 (not sure what nomencalture your player will use). Doing that should get you a saturation control.

Gordon

[StevieBuck]

I have a Spyder 3 Pro package, which has the same meter as the Elite pack, but slightly different software.

I bought it bundled with ChromaPure software from Ricky at Kalibrate. Check his signature in his profile for details:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/members/22549.html

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

You can't set iCC profiles like you do on a computer but you could use your Spyder with another parties software to actually measure what is happening with your display and make adjsutments there. Free software is available from HCFR...and you can buy software from Calman and Chromapure that may support your Spyder hardware (check with the vendors).

You would use this software to measure the response then modify the presets (either in user menu or in service menu) to make the set more accurate.

re: BD and colour. I am unsure if you are talking about an actual "colour" (saturation) control or whether you mean greyscale adjustments. If you mean saturation then it's likely you are sending RGB from your BD to the tv. In which case there shouldn't be any colour control and if there is then it means the tv is turning the RGB in to component internally for further processing, before turning it back in to RGB for display. If this is the case set your BD player to outpu YPrPb/YCrCb or COMPONENT 4:2:2 (not sure what nomencalture your player will use). Doing that should get you a saturation control.

Gordon

hi sorry when i was using the avsforums dvd on my bluray player it had the colour option on tv greyed out but on blu rays it doesnt.
my panny 30 is set to output yprpb/4:2:2 or 4:4:2 cant remeber but the highest one as the tv can handle it via hdmi .

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by StevieBuck

I have a Spyder 3 Pro package, which has the same meter as the Elite pack, but slightly different software.

I bought it bundled with ChromaPure software from Ricky at Kalibrate. Check his signature in his profile for details:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/members/22549.html

do you find it easy to use.
is this what you got £99

ChromaPure Standard Licence | Kalibrate Limited | Home Cinema products, Calibration, DVD Players, 3D Glasses | Audio Systems | Cinema Systems

[StevieBuck]

Yes it’s fairly straightforward. You can download the software manual and have a look through that to see what’s involved during the calibration process. Depending on what controls your TV has, you may have to skip some of the steps.

That’s the software I have, but I bought it in a bundle with my meter. The exact package isn’t listed on there anymore, as the Spyder3 has been replaced by the Spyder4:

ChromaPure & Datacolor Spyder4

[scottthehat]

i dont really understand what what on there to be honest, but will send a pm ricky to see what he says.
and i will download the manual.
i have looked at alot of review sites that show the calibration of alot of samsung d series calibration setting and some are pritty close to what i have except coloir most seem to be just above 50 but mine is on 42.
also i dont understand how this will set for each source,
but will look into it further.

[scottthehat]

i have just found this,
Spyder 4 TV HD review - V4.5 software

[StevieBuck]

Originally Posted by scottthehat

i dont really understand what what on there to be honest, but will send a pm ricky to see what he says.

A ChromaPure Standard licence is what you would need since you already have a meter. If you can get hold of Ricky, he will get you sorted.

ChromaPure Standard Licence

Originally Posted by scottthehat

i have looked at alot of review sites that show the calibration of alot of samsung d series calibration setting and some are pritty close to what i have except coloir most seem to be just above 50 but mine is on 42.

The only way to accurately set the colour is to use your meter. As well as the standard colour setting, some sets may have advanced colour management settings to adjust as well.

Originally Posted by scottthehat

also i dont understand how this will set for each source

Your TV will have various viewing modes, such as movie, dynamic, sport, etc. You can use these to store calibrated settings for HD/PAL/NTSC if you want. Some TVs store different settings for each of the presets for each A/V input. So once you have your calibrated settings, you may have to copy these over to the other inputs for Sky, etc.

[scottthehat]

hi steve my tv stores seting for each hdmi and 3d and all of that.
but my blu ray player is in hdmi 1 on tv and also hdmi frommy bluray to my amp for hd sound(amps not 3d ready so had to buy a dual hdmi bluray player) and my amp in hdmi 2 on tv which my amp has connect my sky hd and my hd dvd player and ps3,
so i could calibrate hdmi port no probs.
but no 2 hdmi i would have to choice one to calibrate to and hope the other 2 sources are not far off.
only got 2 15m hdmi cables run from my amp area to the tv(wish i had run more now) but at the time my old tv only had 2 hdmis.,
i have sent a message to ricky,
i am also looking at the spyder 4 hd tv which looks to do them same settings i can get that for £85 delivered.

Also with that do i need to buy a test pattern blue ray.

[scottthehat]

just ordered the spyder 4 tv hd as i got it for cheap as i already have syder elite 3 and had spyder 2 pro before.
so will do a review when i use it, if its naff i will move it on.

[StevieBuck]

The Spyder4 TV package comes with test pattern discs according to their own website, so you shouldn't need to buy anything extra.

It's hard to say just from looking at the screenshots, but the software looks a lot more basic than ChromaPure.

[scottthehat]

sorry stevie i ment with the colourpure stuff,
Im not sure if the spyder stuff will be any good but i will see, as i said if its bad i will either send it back or flog it on, no mention of white balance,
if it can do as good a job as spyder does for my comp monitors i will be happy as i know it does an amazing job as i do an awful lot of printing from company on the net and my prints come back spot on which is what my clients expect.

[StevieBuck]

You can buy discs if you want, but there are free ones available that you can download & burn yourself. The AVS HD709 one has a section HD test patterns for use with ChromaPure - it's what I use.

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by StevieBuck

You can buy discs if you want, but there are free ones available that you can download & burn yourself. The AVS HD709 one has a section HD test patterns for use with ChromaPure - it's what I use.

ok thanks stevie, will see how it goes then if its pants i will for sure be getting cromapure.

[scottthehat]

well the spyder 4 tv hd turned up today so i calibrated my daughters lcd and my 42" sharp lcd and it did a good job(still think a tad bright but very good)(contrast, brightness, colour,tint,temprature all no probs) even temp set to warm on both tvs didnt make it to orange like it did my plasma(both lcd dont have white balance adjustment option)

my plasma was already calibrated by eye(so could be out) with the avs forums free dvd
so first i cheaked the test imge on the syder 4 tv hd bluray disk and it looked awsome just as i would expect.

i then let spyder 4 do its work and man it looked awfull
my setting before where (panny 310 bluray)
cell 15, contrast 90, brightness 50, colour 48, and everything else off(no white balance set) and standard temp.
after spyder run
cell 5 contrast 98, brightness 65, colour 55, and temp was warm2(made everything look orange(no white balance adjustment which would help the orange problem)

and i couldnt use tint because it would let me adjust it to he way samsung works tint, it would only let me set a min and max,

and it was the same for my ps3 and toshiba hd dvd player, so all in all no good for the plasma,
so will purchase chroma pure when i get rid of the spyder 4 tv hd.

[StevieBuck]

I don't know about the Spyder software, but the white balance tool in ChromaPure will tell you which of the temp. presets (warm, cool, standard, etc) is the most accurate.

I thought the same about the screen looking slightly orange when I first calibrated my set, but it was just because of the previous colour settings I had got accustomed to. After a few days viewing, switching back to the orignal settings just looked awful.

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by StevieBuck

I don't know about the Spyder software, but the white balance tool in ChromaPure will tell you which of the temp. presets (warm, cool, standard, etc) is the most accurate.

I thought the same about the screen looking slightly orange when I first calibrated my set, but it was just because of the previous colour settings I had got accustomed to. After a few days viewing, switching back to the orignal settings just looked awful.

does chromapure actually give you any other settings for white balance.

when i run spyder is says start on coom the normal then warm then warm 2 then says that warm2 is the best one, whic when viewed back things that i know are white have an orange tint where if it set that then give white balance adjustment to compensate for this it would probably be better(surely thts what the white blance is for)
also thigs just seemed to bright.

[StevieBuck]

To determine the best temp preset with ChromaPure, enable the 80% grey read mode in the white balance section and display 80% grey test pattern from your test disc. ChromaPure then shows the % values of red, green and blue on a chart. Whichever preset gives you closest to 100% each for red, green & blue is the most accurate setting to use.

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by StevieBuck

To determine the best temp preset with ChromaPure, enable the 80% grey read mode in the white balance section and display 80% grey test pattern from your test disc. ChromaPure then shows the % values of red, green and blue on a chart. Whichever preset gives you closest to 100% each for red, green & blue is the most accurate setting to use.

sorry steve took so long to get back to this(just seen review of the spyder 4 hdtv by mark)
I purchased the chromapure and used the spyder 4 metter which i got refrenced and the results from spyder 4 and chromapure are night an day.