[TEROKNOR]

On Blu-Ray or DVD? Is either one better than the other? Or are they the same but on different format??

[bladedripper]

If you have a ps3 and the blu-ray version id use that.

[andy1249]

The blu ray version has been slated online for its over saturated colours and overall bad presentation.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Vide...0271385&sr=8-4

I can verify that , I have both and I wouldnt use any of those test cards on the blu ray to correct my TV , they dont look trustworthy.

The Audio setup section is still excellent though , exactly the same as the DVD.

I would stick with the DVD version.

[Fatwaz]

it makes no difference which one you use they should both give you the same result.

[TEROKNOR]

Originally Posted by PETE Heg

If you have a ps3 and the blu-ray version id use that.

Yep My PS3 is my only Blu-Ray player at the moment. I can use it to do both my 32" LCD and 42" Plasma.

[Will Scarlet]

Originally Posted by TEROKNOR

On Blu-Ray or DVD? Is either one better than the other? Or are they the same but on different format??

The Blu-ray version is fine, a little awkward to navigate but does exactly what it says on the tin.

[Silver Serpent]

Originally Posted by TEROKNOR

Yep My PS3 is my only Blu-Ray player at the moment. I can use it to do both my 32" LCD and 42" Plasma.

You can download and burn a free calibration disc here for use with your PS3:

AVS HD 709 - Blu-ray, HD DVD, & MP4 Calibration - AVS Forum

AVCHD

[TEROKNOR]

Thoughts on this?????

Home Theater: A Great Picture in Five Minutes Flat

[Silver Serpent]

Originally Posted by TEROKNOR

Thoughts on this?????

Home Theater: A Great Picture in Five Minutes Flat

The link I provided with the Free Download will have all the patterns you require for a basic calibration, and more.

It comes highly recommended.

[TEROKNOR]

Originally Posted by Silver Serpent

The link I provided with the Free Download will have all the patterns you require for a basic calibration, and more.

It comes highly recommended.

Can it be burned onto a normal disc and played in a DVD and PS3. Are there instructions too. Dunce here!!!

[Silver Serpent]

Originally Posted by TEROKNOR

Can it be burned onto a normal disc and played in a DVD and PS3. Are there instructions too. Dunce here!!!

Burned to a blank DVD and can only be played in your PS3 (BluRay Player).

There is a PDF Pattern Manual download available.

All the information you need is on the page I provided the link to.

[TEROKNOR]

Originally Posted by Silver Serpent

Burned to a blank DVD and can only be played in your PS3 (BluRay Player).

There is a PDF Pattern Manual download available.

All the information you need is on the page I provided the link to.

Damn!!!! Only got CD-RW's!!!!! and a CD rewriter!!

[Silver Serpent]

Originally Posted by TEROKNOR

Damn!!!! Only got CD-RW's!!!!! and a CD rewriter!!

Why not just get DVE BluRay then:

Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics Blu-ray - Sendit.com

There is nothing at all wrong with that for a basic calibration.

The Spears & Munsil disc is another you could coniser, but it's more expensive:

Spears and Munsil High Definition Benchmark Blu-ray Disc

You could always get the basic DVE version too which will do your PS3 and DVD Player:

http://www.sendit.com/sendit/81202.product

[andy1249]

it makes no difference which one you use they should both give you the same result.

Maybe someone can tell me whats going on then ,
The versions I have are

DVD Avia II

Avia, Vol. 2: Guide to Home Theater DVD 2007 Region 1 US Import NTSC: Amazon.co.uk: Artist Not Provided: DVD

Blue ray DVE essentials

Digital Video Essentials - HD Basics Blu-ray 2008: Amazon.co.uk: Sam Dalton, Joe Kane: DVD

I have a number of blue ray players , PS3 , BD35 and an LG drive from the HTPC , the color bars in the picture at the bottom all look very similar on my Panny PZ80 and are way more saturated than the DVD version.
The DVD looks the same on all players ( not the BD35 , it wont play it ! ) but I have a Pioneer DVD player and it looks the same on that as well as the PC etc.

I dont know which one to trust , so Im not adjusting my TV or players to either , I suspect the blu ray as other people have said the same.

I did however , set up my sub with a Radio shack meter and this procedure using the test tones on the disk , fantastic results , so worth the money regardless. All said and done thats what I bought the discs for anyway.

How To Set Up a Subwoofer (or Subwoofers) for Home Theater: BigPictureBigSound

[Fatwaz]

Originally Posted by TEROKNOR

Damn!!!! Only got CD-RW's!!!!! and a CD rewriter!!

mate check you pm's i'll send you both on a dvd

[dwhite]

Originally Posted by andy1249

Maybe someone can tell me whats going on then ,
The versions I have are

DVD Avia II

Avia, Vol. 2: Guide to Home Theater DVD 2007 Region 1 US Import NTSC: Amazon.co.uk: Artist Not Provided: DVD

Blue ray DVE essentials

Digital Video Essentials - HD Basics Blu-ray 2008: Amazon.co.uk: Sam Dalton, Joe Kane: DVD

I have a number of blue ray players , PS3 , BD35 and an LG drive from the HTPC , the color bars in the picture at the bottom all look very similar on my Panny PZ80 and are way more saturated than the DVD version.
The DVD looks the same on all players ( not the BD35 , it wont play it ! ) but I have a Pioneer DVD player and it looks the same on that as well as the PC etc.

I dont know which one to trust , so Im not adjusting my TV or players to either , I suspect the blu ray as other people have said the same.

I did however , set up my sub with a Radio shack meter and this procedure using the test tones on the disk , fantastic results , so worth the money regardless. All said and done thats what I bought the discs for anyway.

How To Set Up a Subwoofer (or Subwoofers) for Home Theater: BigPictureBigSound

I'm not a expert here and can't really give a full explanation or even know if this is what is causing your problem but SD (the DVD) and HD (Bluray) use different color spaces (SD REC 601 and HD is REC 709). Hopefully a calibrator will be able to explain if this is the reason you see the differences.

[johnscarlet]

If anyone had the MP4 Patterns Manual PDF? You have to be registered to download it

[Avi]

Originally Posted by andy1249

Maybe someone can tell me whats going on then ,
The versions I have are

DVD Avia II

Blue ray DVE essentials

I have a number of blue ray players , PS3 , BD35 and an LG drive from the HTPC , the color bars in the picture at the bottom all look very similar on my Panny PZ80 and are way more saturated than the DVD version.
The DVD looks the same on all players ( not the BD35 , it wont play it ! ) but I have a Pioneer DVD player and it looks the same on that as well as the PC etc.

I dont know which one to trust , so Im not adjusting my TV or players to either , I suspect the blu ray as other people have said the same.

The colour will be determined by your displays colour gamut and you can't accurately assess this without proper tools. To adjust the primary, secondary colour saturation and luminance your display also needs to have the appropriate adjustments for these but many don't.

Whist DVE and AVIA may have patterns they don't not provide the tools necessary to asses and set colour properly so you can't really trust either.

AVI

[KMO]

I've just been going over DVE (PAL version) with an HDMI analyser (because I don't trust stuff either), and I can report that all the 100% and 75% colour bars, and all the grey fields, are within 1 unit of the correct numbers when output by my players with picture controls set to standard - so less than 0.5% error.

There is a complication in that SDTV and HDTV use different RGB<->YCbCr matrices - this means that an sort of SD->HD upscaler has to perform a fairly subtle transformation on the YCbCr values on the disc, if it's set to output YCbCr over HDMI. Some devices may get this wrong, leading to somewhat dippy colours. My kit gets it right, thank goodness - the transformed HDTV YCbCr values are correctly transformed.

There's a more minor issue in that SDTV and HDTV also use a slightly different colour of green. But that's a very subtle issue, and upscaling kit doesn't generally attempt to correct for that, but displays sometimes do. That means you may get very slightly different colours from direct SD input to a TV and upscaled SD input to a TV, if the TV uses different primaries for SD and HD input. That effect would be very subtle though.

I don't think any of this applies to you though - you may just be comparing 75% and 100% (intensity) colour bars. That's not a saturation difference, it's a brightness difference. DVE has both, tucked away in the reference section - see if you can find the 100% version, and compare that to Avia. (I forget whether AVI has 100% or 75%).

[Avi]

Originally Posted by KMO

I don't think any of this applies to you though - you may just be comparing 75% and 100% (intensity) colour bars. That's not a saturation difference, it's a brightness difference. DVE has both, tucked away in the reference section - see if you can find the 100% version, and compare that to Avia. (I forget whether AVI has 100% or 75%).

I think the problem for the OP is he doesn't have an accurate benchmark to assess colour. Without establishing this it really isn't possible to use AVIA or DVE to assess colour accuracy.

AVI