[ad47uk]

Just been readin on our council website about the new recycley system that we are getting next Autumn. We are getting a Wheely bin for recycling that wil be collected every 2 weeks and normal black bags for the other rubbish.

We can have one of two sizes of wheely bins and if for some reason you can't have a really bin, then they will carry on supplying bags for recycling as they do now. I expect they will just supply one type of bag instead of two as they do now.

Anyway the size of the bins will be

Standard bin

240 litres (52.8 gallons)
Height: 1070 mm (3ft 6ins)
Width: 585 mm (1ft 1ins)
Depth: 740 mm (2ft 5ins)
Capacity: equivalent to 3-4 sacks

Optional smaller bin

120 litres (26.4 gallons)
Height: 970 mm (3ft 2ins)
Width: 480 mm (1ft 7ins)
Depth: 550 mm (1ft 10ins)
Capacity: 2 sacks


I have opted for the smaller bin as it wil be easier to stuff inside the shed. But with the bins being so small, I wonder if they will bother to modernise the trucks with lifters or will they just pick the bins up and tip them in manully.

It was just a thought, I should not think they would bother with the cost of modernising the trucks.

Maybe I should send a email to them asking, but I already sent one asking who would pay for a new bin if the one that is supplied get stolen or damaged.

[nvingo]

If they're going to the trouble of introducing wheely-bins, they'll have trucks with lifters on for them - the bins themselves are heavier than traditional steel dustbins.

In our area we've had wheely-bins for landfill waste for many years, used to be one bin collected weekly.
Then it changed to two different-coloured bins, the second one being for compostable waste (paper/food/garden), collected on alternate weeks.
Now we additionally have recycleables in a third bin (cans, plastic bottles, paper) collected on the same week as the compostables. That means two trucks on the same round on the same day.

Streets with limited space, with the houses on the pavement and no access to the rear, are supplied with black and clear plastic sacks for the landfill and recycleables.

There are also smaller van-sized trucks for the narrowest streets.

There will be video cameras recording the contents as the bins spew into the back of the trucks, linked to RFID receivers - RFID tags in each bin will identify those residents not sorting their waste accordingly - this will enable the authority to target "education".

[ad47uk]

Originally Posted by nvingo

If they're going to the trouble of introducing wheely-bins, they'll have trucks with lifters on for them - the bins themselves are heavier than traditional steel dustbins.

They are only tiny things, I think they would be more awkward to lift than heavy. I don't think anyone have put a bin out for years here, we have black bags which every one uses.

In our area we've had wheely-bins for landfill waste for many years, used to be one bin collected weekly.
Then it changed to two different-coloured bins, the second one being for compostable waste (paper/food/garden), collected on alternate weeks.
Now we additionally have recycleables in a third bin (cans, plastic bottles, paper) collected on the same week as the compostables. That means two trucks on the same round on the same day.

Not very carbon footprint friendly then if they have to use two trucks.
Our garden waste is collected in green bags, which we have to pay for, but it ends up in landfill, which is why I got a compost bin,I don't see why I should pay again.

At the moment, we have plastic and tins collected one week, paper, card and cloth the next week. No glass is collected due to using bags and the normal rubbish is collected every week.
We do use different colour bags for each week on recycling, but since I have not recycled for months I can't remember what colour is for what.

The new system will allow glass to be recycled, but not cloth and it will all go into the wheely bin and be collected every two weeks.

No plans to replace the black bags.

Streets with limited space, with the houses on the pavement and no access to the rear, are supplied with black and clear plastic sacks for the landfill and recycleables.

That is happening here as well, my parents will not be able to have a wheely bin as they have steps and there is no way they can get the bin up the steps. Mind you they can ask for assistance.

There are also smaller van-sized trucks for the narrowest streets.

Not heard about any smaller vans here, but we do have small refuge lorries as there are loads of small lanes in the countryside.

There will be video cameras recording the contents as the bins spew into the back of the trucks, linked to RFID receivers - RFID tags in each bin will identify those residents not sorting their waste accordingly - this will enable the authority to target "education".

I don't think that is going to happen here, but I could be wrong, I have asked in the email about tags. Our council sais they are not going to force people to recycle, well not yet anyway. What do you mean target education?

Anyway with the way things are in the economy, I think the council may find out it is cheaper to dump the stuff in landfill as the price of metal and paper have gone down.

[nvingo]

Originally Posted by ad47uk

Not very carbon footprint friendly then if they have to use two trucks.

A fleet of trucks operate in the same area - I guess the crews can work with the remaining trucks whilst some go off to discharge. The routes will have been worked out for optimum efficiency.
I think the intrduction of wheely-bins is to help the collectors, less bending, less possibility for spillage and animal foraging, I wouldn't say it's quicker as the lifts take time to operate - different to just chucking the sacks in.

Originally Posted by ad47uk

Our garden waste is collected in green bags, which we have to pay for, but it ends up in landfill, which is why I got a compost bin...

That's bad. We have the option for home composting, but are assured the contents of the "brown" wheely-bin go to a composting facility.

Originally Posted by ad47uk

The new system will allow glass to be recycled,...

They are due to allow glass to be included in the recycling here soon.

Originally Posted by ad47uk

Not heard about any smaller vans here, but we do have small refuge lorries as there are loads of small lanes in the countryside.

Size is relative. Most here are based on Dennis or Mercedes 6-wheel trucks, but the small ones are Jap makes of similar size to a Nissan Cabstar - I guess the streets of Toyko aren't refuse-truck friendly.

Originally Posted by ad47uk

What do you mean target education?

They claim the introduction of RFID monitoring will not be used to "prosecute offenders" - I think there's a significant minority of residents who need more incentive than reducing landfill and recovering useful materials before they can be bovvered to sort their waste.

Originally Posted by ad47uk

Anyway with the way things are in the economy, I think the council may find out it is cheaper to dump the stuff in landfill as the price of metal and paper have gone down.

That may be so, but at least it should be dumped in separate landfill so it doesn't need re-sorting should it ever become economic to recover it.

[ad47uk]

Originally Posted by nvingo

A fleet of trucks operate in the same area - I guess the crews can work with the remaining trucks whilst some go off to discharge. The routes will have been worked out for optimum efficiency.
I think the intrduction of wheely-bins is to help the collectors, less bending, less possibility for spillage and animal foraging, I wouldn't say it's quicker as the lifts take time to operate - different to just chucking the sacks in.

I agree with you, but since our main rubbish is still going to be in black sacks it will make little difference to animals and bending down.

Maybe they are hoping that is people recycle the main bags will be lighter as they will have no glass in , or should not have any glass in.

There are some road in town that gets blocked when the refuse truck is there, so if it is going to take longer to empty the bins, it will cause a traffic jam. Mind you saying that most of these roads have old victorian houses on and they have no rom at the front of the house for wheely bins, so they may use the bags.

That's bad.We have the option for home composting, but are assured the contents of the "brown" wheely-bin go to a composting facility.

There is talk of it, I thik there is still talk of it, but there is a big stink up where it is suppose to be built, so the chnace of it happening is pretty low now.

I got the compost bins cheap from the council, what I will do with the compost is another thing, I am not really a gardener, got some grass and some conifer trees, and a patch of garden, so the waste goes into the compost bins.

Maybe in a couple of years time I may get on and do a decent job on the garden and the compost will be fine for that.

I am surprised that our council have not said anything about fod waste, some places have a small box for food waste

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They are due to allow glass to be included in the recycling here soon.Size is relative. Most here are based on Dennis or Mercedes 6-wheel trucks,

I always thought that the lifters on the trucks could only manage a certain size and smaller bins would not fit.

but the small ones are Jap makes of similar size to a Nissan Cabstar - I guess the streets of Toyko aren't refuse-truck friendly.

We got a few of them, got small cages on the back, mainly used for street bins, but are used if they get too many recycling bags that will not fit in the large truck. It don't happen very often.

They claim the introduction of RFID monitoring will not be used to "prosecute offenders" - I think there's a significant minority of residents who need more incentive than reducing landfill and recovering useful materials before they can be bovvered to sort their waste

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Had a reply today and their reply was "Thank you for your e-mail. In answer to your question it will be the Council's responsibility to replace any lost or stolen wheeled bins and currently there are no plans to chip wheeled bins."

It is good that they are not chipping the bins, I suppose they wil look to see how well it is doing and if enough people are recycling, if they are not, then they will introduce the chips and bring in new laws.

Replacing the bins is also good, but how much is this going to cost the tax payers?

The bins bring more problems, it now means that when ever I use a tin, plastic bottle or some other rubbish to be recycled, I will have to open my door on a cold day, letting out heat, go up the steps and stick it in the bin.
At least with the old system, we can have the bags indoors.
the new system may upset a few people and some people that was recycling may now not bother.

I must admit I have not recycled for years, and I don't think the bin will change my mind.

That may be so, but at least it should be dumped in separate landfill so it doesn't need re-sorting should it ever become economic to recover it.

But where? according to our council we have no room and the landfill we use now will be filled in less than ten years. I have heard somewhere that someone is looking at digging up some old landfill sites and getting the stuff out that can be recycled. not sure if that could be done or not.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see what happens near the time. I hope the council will put something in the paper this week or next week about registering for help or a smaller bin, because people that don't have the net will not know.


the bins need to be ordered 6 months in advance, so our orders have to be in by January. I presume they wil hold some bins in stoarge so if someone bins do get stolen, it can be replaced.

We could see a lot of wheely bins lying around the city.