[damo_in_sale]

Amongst others, such as MMGW denial, which isn't true in the slightest.

I must admit that I am rather angry.

Damo

[Mr Incredible]

Shortly 10 I fear.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by Mr Incredible

Shortly 10 I fear.

And you're happy with that?

[Mr Incredible]

Dunno m8, I never got to see your other 9 posts.

[Stephen Wilde]

Which ones have gone ?

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

Amongst others, such as MMGW denial, which isn't true in the slightest.

I must admit that I am rather angry.

Damo

Deleted? Not just closed? I think that's not a good way of doing things. For a start you can't see what it was that was deleted.

How are you keeping count?

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by nikyzf

Deleted? Not just closed? I think that's not a good way of doing things. For a start you can't see what it was that was deleted.

How are you keeping count?

I get a PM everytime one goes. But often there isn't a link to my original post so I have no idea what it was or what I am supposed to have done wrong.

Nimby has very different polical beliefs than me, as he freely expresses here. It seems that my political beliefs however are not welcome. Nor are my economic analyses and criticisms of lefticomics.

[damo_in_sale]

Appoligies to all, including Nimby.

The title is incorrect. It is 'POSTS', not 'THREADS' that have been deleted.

Mod please change the title.

[Stephen Wilde]

Ah, ok, panic over.

It seems that style is very important since my views are very damoish politically but I've avoided discipline so far.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by Stephen Wilde

Ah, ok, panic over.

It seems that style is very important since my views are very damoish politically but I've avoided discipline so far.

Sorry mate, but I have to disagree about the 'panic over' bit. We have someone removing and editing my posts and who is diametrically opposed to my political beliefs. Add to that, he has been a mod for only a few days, unless I'm mistaken, in which case I will apologise.

'Political bias' is something anybody with political views has.

And my views expressed are mostly about the politics and the economics regarding this whole debate, entirely relevant and well within the forum rules as I understand them.

There is nothing MMGW denialist at all about my posts.

Further, I have received no 'protection' from the mods at all, nor do I wish it.

It seems this forum, as of an hour ago, now resembles Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’, where everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

[Stephen Wilde]

Damo,

I don't disagree as regards your content.

I've made many similar points myself.

It's a style issue combined with perhaps oversensitivity on the part of the Moderator. A difficult balance.

Mind you, if you've only lost a few posts there's plenty of your input left and you are still free to post. Njp had a worse fate albeit less than the period initially proposed.

[Corey USA]

I hope they are leaving the past post intact in that it should be left as a lesson learned from past mistakes so to speak.

If you erase history you will repeat it.

If anything only this date forward should be effected In that it is now that is important not he past with the exception it is important to prevent similar mistakes in the future.

Just out of curiosity How do you know which ones are being edited or deleted?

I would like to check my past post to see if its been change to mean something I never said. Also So I can see what it is they thought was offensive so to do a better job of self discipline. based on some one else's criteria.

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

Sorry mate, but I have to disagree about the 'panic over' bit. We have someone removing and editing my posts and who is diametrically opposed to my political beliefs. Add to that, he has been a mod for only a few days, unless I'm mistaken, in which case I will apologise.

'Political bias' is something anybody with political views has.

And my views expressed are mostly about the politics and the economics regarding this whole debate, entirely relevant and well within the forum rules as I understand them.

There is nothing MMGW denialist at all about my posts.

Further, I have received no 'protection' from the mods at all, nor do I wish it.

It seems this forum, as of an hour ago, now resembles Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’, where everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

Tell you the truth I do not remember you ever denying MMGW only thing I have taken note is difference of opinion in politics and economics. If anything I been trying to get you to see the differences between economics and the environment and how the environment could careless about economics when life and death is concerned.

I have also noted that you try to lighten the mood through joke maybe due to the diversity of people not everyone sees them as jokes.

Humor is needed in an issue as dire as this, in that we all can easily become over stressed and depressed trying to figure out how to save our families and world.

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

Amongst others, such as MMGW denial, which isn't true in the slightest.

I must admit that I am rather angry.

Damo

I became very angry about the way this is being handled, to such a degree that yesterday I cancelled 2 annual advertising plans due to start this month and will no longer contribute to any of the forums.

They do not seem to realise that the forum title and remit is itself is taunting to anyone not fully signed up to MMGW, in fact you could call it trolling.

I have seen very little if any of the declared purpose of this forum regarding ideas for AV users to minimise their impact, just one sided, ever more contolled, propaganda.

So ban me if you wish, it really doesn't matter.

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by stratagem

I became very angry about the way this is being handled, to such a degree that yesterday I cancelled 2 annual advertising plans due to start this month and will no longer contribute to any of the forums.

They do not seem to realise that the forum title and remit is itself is taunting to anyone not fully signed up to MMGW, in fact you could call it trolling.

I have seen very little if any of the declared purpose of this forum regarding ideas for AV users to minimise their impact, just one sided, ever more contolled, propaganda.

So ban me if you wish, it really doesn't matter.

I had brought this issue up before, asking why this sub forum was not focusing on finding ways for electronic users to minimize there footprints . I was told as long as there was arguments going on by people who do not want change or did not want to accept resource depletion we could not move forward with finding things that will actually help reduce our footprints.

One of the biggest reasons there wasn't actual progress in making suggestions and such, in regards to reducing our footprints, was that those against it were derailing any effort to make progress. Those of us trying to offer relevant info that would be effective on reducing the footprints were drowned out by the quantity of posts still fighting about whether MMGW was even happening.
Those that were actually trying to offer information on ways in which we could reduce our footprints then got pulled into the arguments in that the info they were trying to share was being bashed by those wanting things to stay the same.

In a way I was working with NJP in that he was keeping the nay sayers busy while I tried to slip in possible courses of actions that would help us reduce our footprint on earth. When NJP was banned for a few days It all went out the window regarding trying to slip helpful info in, I became bogged down just fighting with those who do not want change.

I then Wrote a PM to Stuart about NJP and MM debacle. Thus now the clean up. So in a way this crack up may be my responsibility. Sorry to those who feel they are being hammered by Mods. When I went to Stuart it was specifically regarding MM and NJP. I was also pointing out How NJP insistence on people sticking to facts was keeping those that were nay saying so to speak busy while other folks such as myself was trying to help slip helpful info and possible plans that might work to help us reduce our footprints.

I even suggested changing the name of the sub forum to fighting resource depletion and Pollution Co2 was deemed pollution by the supreme court in the USA.

This is where I seriously wish they had a : PEACE: Smiley

[MikeTV]

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

Sorry mate, but I have to disagree about the 'panic over' bit. We have someone removing and editing my posts and who is diametrically opposed to my political beliefs. Add to that, he has been a mod for only a few days, unless I'm mistaken, in which case I will apologise.

'Political bias' is something anybody with political views has.

And my views expressed are mostly about the politics and the economics regarding this whole debate, entirely relevant and well within the forum rules as I understand them.

There is nothing MMGW denialist at all about my posts.

Further, I have received no 'protection' from the mods at all, nor do I wish it.

It seems this forum, as of an hour ago, now resembles Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’, where everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

Well, you're not going to like this, but frankly, I find many of your posts to be just swipes at the current government and/or labour/liberal policies generally, with little relevence to the topic of combating man-made global warming. Sorry, but it's true.

[Bilbob]

Even if that is the case, does that warrant deletion of his posts?

[Uridium]

This isn't the place to discuss this.

Suggest you re-read the rules you agreed to when you signed up, specifically rule 13.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/view_rules.htm

If your still not happy speak to the site administrator

http://www.avforums.com/forums/view_contactus.htm

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by Corey USA

Tell you the truth I do not remember you ever denying MMGW…

When I was younger, I was a firm believer in MMGW. Then I read some material which appeared to be very convincing in it’s discrediting of MMGW. That is the point at which I entered this forum, and my views were expressed in the manner of my beliefs, at that time. Since then I have swung back in the opposite direction.

As of now, I am free to be convinced in either direction.

I should add that I create numerical structural models for a living (i.e. computer models of structures). Some of them are non-linear (although not recently I must add). Compared to modelling global climate, these analyses are trivial: material non-linear response (plasticity mainly, although sometimes hyperelasticity), geometrical nonlineararities (such as when the deformed shape is such that the load path changes), contact (where the boundary conditions are unpredictable or ill defined) etc. The above can all be ‘solved’ statically, i.e. without the need for a solution in the time domain, usually several iterations in ‘pseudo time’.
The above, although apparently quite trivial, can be fiendishly complex. For such a ‘simple’ analysis, the number of variables that can be ‘open to interpretation’ are many, and each can influence the result in large and unpredictable ways.
It is vital that experimental data of simple problems of all of the above effects, in isolation, are performed, otherwise it ‘can’ be easy to produce convincing and interesting results that are utter nonsense.
All of the above applies to relatively ‘simple’ non-linear analyses that are essentially ‘static’ in nature.

When one requires a solution in the time domain, things get MUCH more complicated, by at least an order of magnitude. Examples are virtual ‘crash’ analyses. Again, historical and verifiable test data is vital to ensure that the computer model isn’t doing something ‘stupid’ and yet appears sound.

The above anecdote is designed as nothing more than to show that there isn’t a moderator on this entire site who has a clue what computer modelling actually entails, and also that there isn’t a moderator qualified enough to object to my qualified opinions regarding such matters.
If I am mistaken then please feel free to argue your case. If I am wrong then I will of course apologise wholeheartedly.

Originally Posted by Corey USA

only thing I have taken note is difference of opinion in politics and economics.

These are the areas of most interest to me mate, politics and economics. Policies which are supposed to ‘save the environment’ , often do no such thing and yet make relatively poor people even poorer, are simply immoral in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Corey USA

If anything I been trying to get you to see the differences between economics and the environment and how the environment could careless about economics when life and death is concerned.

I understand fully what you are saying mate. Don’t forget that you are American, and I am British. As I have already shown, it matters not one jot, in terms of global CO2 output, what happens in the UK. From my calculation, which has been completely ignored by everyone except yourself, if every man women and child in the UK were to commit Hari Kari, CO2 emissions would be retarded by less than two years due to Chinas accelerating output of CO2.

Originally Posted by Corey USA;5342838I

have also noted that you try to lighten the mood through joke maybe due to the diversity of people not everyone sees them as jokes.

Come on man, my jokes are class [FONT=Wingdings]J[/FONT] I just saluted dear Maggie on my wall for good luck.

Originally Posted by Corey USA;5342838I

Humor is needed in an issue as dire as this, in that we all can easily become over stressed and depressed trying to figure out how to save our families and world.

I do try you know mate.

[Corey USA]

And if it wasn't for the virgin Islands by guess is USA may be even lower since in that 2003 report the continental USA scored 11.


Your right, about China and lets not forget India, It is also why bush refused Kyoto. To be fair if it wasn't for us getting goods from them it wouldn't be so bad for them. So technically we are partially to blame for their extra Pollution. We could have Kept the work of production in our own yards but we didn't and we allowed our companies to out source knowing china and India pollution regulation was weak.("we" means our leaders yet I take responsibility for there actions in that, Whether I voted them, into office, or not taking action I allowed it to degenerate to current affairs.)

I think with the simulations they started simple and small to make sure it worked to specifications then expanded it. The problem is When they ignore certain key components such as Methane, Clouds, Acidification of oceans which kills off the plants in the water, it screws up the predictions.

So perhaps this is when they started calling it "Climate chaos" in that the factors that are big which have an unpredictable nature In whether if has a positive or negative forcing (feedback loops) Impact our environment..

So in the end what is it about all of this that we can control? Humans Or Us.
Since we know certain actions contribute to triggering certain thing we can change those actions. Like co2 which Acidify our ocean.

Anyway......All we can do is the best we can, Which is one reason I been trying to get this group to switch track regarding fighting pollution and resource depletion Instead . many of the things fighting pollution and resource depletion also will affect whether we trigger nature feedback loops. as a side benefit..

Only problem tackling the problem this way is that we may not take enough action to reduce the key pollution that we need to get under control which is the gases, greenhouse gases in particular.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

We have someone removing and editing my posts and who is diametrically opposed to my political beliefs. Add to that, he has been a mod for only a few days,

And my views expressed are mostly about the politics and the economics regarding this whole debate, entirely relevant and well within the forum rules as I understand them.

There is nothing MMGW denialist at all about my posts.

It's Nimby's turn now is it? It seems like only yesterday that you were firing off the same complaints except that last time it was myself that had the temerity to delete or edit some of your posts as they broke the forum rules.

I think that you may have been a little misleading when implying that your comments were deleted for political bias as I can see the moderating log and the reasons listed for the nine deleted were as follows:-

Political bias and name calling
Tedious extreme political bias
Thread tidying
MMGW denial and tasteless
Political bias, name calling and MMGW denial
Political bias and name calling
Political name calling
Extreme political bias and political name calling
Argumentative

This forum should be able to discuss matters without resorting to name calling and general personal comments yet you often seem to have a problem disagreeing with someone's point of view without inserting a barbed comment in your response.

This forum will be moderated along the lines of every other forum which means that there will be no personal abuse and no trolling and if you have any complaints about the moderating you can take them up with Stuart and not post your complaints here.

For your information I detest this forum as although the subject matter is interesting the argumentative posting style of some of the regulars puts me off coming here and therefore I guess it puts many others off too.

[Nimby]

Originally Posted by Ian J

It's Nimby's turn now is it?

This forum should be able to discuss matters without resorting to name calling and general personal comments yet you often seem to have a problem disagreeing with someone's point of view without inserting a barbed comment in your response.

This forum will be moderated along the lines of every other forum which means that there will be no personal abuse and no trolling and if you have any complaints about the moderating you can take them up with Stuart and not post your complaints here.

For your information I detest this forum as although the subject matter is interesting the argumentative posting style of some of the regulars puts me off coming here and therefore I guess it puts many others off too.

Thankyou.

The "new broom" seems to have ruffled some feathers.

Damo

You are like an astronomer looking ever further out from your own tiny bubble of reality. You see ever greater red shifts in all directions.

You are far too intelligent to be playing these games. Your problem now is that I am not the least intimidated by your immature behaviour. The other moderators and forum owner wanted this forum cleaned up so others could post here without intimidation from the "usual suspects". I have been given the power to bring the situation under control fairly and without prejudice.

My only bias is my belief in MMGW. Record after record is being broken in the weather I myself experience. We are here to discuss what can be done about this problem. The subject is broad and all can contribute their ideas. Denial is futile and will no longer be tolerated on this forum. Alternatives outlets exist for those who place themselves above the world's scientists across the many disciplines trying to make sense of it all.

You are still welcome to post here. You are no longer allowed to label others and anything which you do not respect as Marxist and lefty. Or any other cheap label you can dredge up from your bile bag of petty prejudices.