[loz]

Cant be. Jeremy Clarkson just drove a Toyota pick up truck all the way there.

Originally Posted by loz

Cant be. Jeremy Clarkson just drove a Toyota pick up truck all the way there.

I love his comment at the end of the show, stating how everyone said he could not do it due to global warming and how this proves man has had no effect at the north pole.

Never seen this guy before, he seems cool and speaks sense.

[MikeTV]

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

I love his comment at the end of the show, stating how everyone said he could not do it due to global warming and how this proves man has had no effect at the north pole.

Never seen this guy before, he seems cool and speaks sense.

He is not one of our leading academics, obviously, but he can be quite funny

[njp]

Apparently the Clarkson North Pole is located at N78˚35’7” W104˚11’9”.

That's 792 miles short of the Actual North Pole. And about 307 miles short of the current Magnetic North Pole...

Still, I'm sure they had a lot of fun.

[loz]

Originally Posted by njp

Apparently the Clarkson North Pole is located at N78˚35’7” W104˚11’9”.

Which was the 1996 position apparently.

Originally Posted by njp

That's 792 miles short of the Actual North Pole. And about 307 miles short of the current Magnetic North Pole...

Should we be accusing the BBC of yet more misleading editorial licence?

Originally Posted by njp

Still, I'm sure they had a lot of fun.

Which at the end of the day, was all it was meant to be

[blearyeyes]

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

I love his comment at the end of the show, stating how everyone said he could not do it due to global warming and how this proves man has had no effect at the north pole.

Never seen this guy before, he seems cool and speaks sense.

Clarkson is universally loathed by the environmental movement for his cavalier attitute to all things 'green'. He can be pretty brash at times, but he is spot on with his critisms. His best line by far was his statement summing up greenie rhetoric:

"What have the environmentalists ever contributed to society - nothing. What have engineers contributed - everything." A beautiful and true observation if ever there was.

Originally Posted by blearyeyes

Clarkson is universally loathed by the environmental movement for his cavalier attitute to all things 'green'. He can be pretty brash at times, but he is spot on with his critisms. His best line by far was his statement summing up greenie rhetoric:

"What have the environmentalists ever contributed to society - nothing. What have engineers contributed - everything." A beautiful and true observation if ever there was.

He certainly seems a cool guy, so is he one of your anti Global Warming campaigners?

And it was nice to see that man is not actually doing any damage to the north pole, it just confirmed what I was expecting. Some of you guys here in the UK told me the poles were melting, I sure did not see any sign of it in that film.

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

I love his comment at the end of the show, stating how everyone said he could not do it due to global warming and how this proves man has had no effect at the north pole.

Never seen this guy before, he seems cool and speaks sense.

He's extremely entertaining and amusing when it comes to cars. He also did a great programme about Brunel for the 'Great Britons' series. When it comes to matters "green", however, he becomes somewhat right-wing.

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

He certainly seems a cool guy, so is he one of your anti Global Warming campaigners?

And it was nice to see that man is not actually doing any damage to the north pole, it just confirmed what I was expecting. Some of you guys here in the UK told me the poles were melting, I sure did not see any sign of it in that film.

They went in April, when it was still very cold, and they didn't go to the North Pole. The 'Radio Times' described it as the Magnetic Pole, but even that seems to be wrong or out of date as it was 82.7° N 114.4° W in 2005 (the Geomagnetic Pole is at 79.74° N 71.78° W). I got the impression that they didn't actually drive over much, if any, sea ice. Did they drive to the northern edge of Ellesmere Island (the closest land to the Magnetic Pole)?

[loz]

Originally Posted by nikyzf

I got the impression that they didn't actually drive over much, if any, sea ice. Did they drive to the northern edge of Ellesmere Island (the closest land to the Magnetic Pole)?

These guys supported them

This was the route they took
http://www.polar-challenge.com/detail.asp?articleID=10

From the map, and the programme, I got the impression they did drive over quite a bit of sea

[loz]

Originally Posted by blearyeyes

Clarkson is universally loathed by the environmental movement for his cavalier attitute to all things 'green'.

The next Top Gear challenge (African Challenge) also endeared him to the environmentalists. Not!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6281512.stm

[blearyeyes]

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

Some of you guys here in the UK told me the poles were melting, I sure did not see any sign of it in that film.

Nor did the women who set out to highlight the problems caused by GW at the pole a few weeks ago. One lost some fingers for her efforts, if I remember rightly.

[johntheexpat]

Originally Posted by blearyeyes

"What have the environmentalists ever contributed to society - nothing. What have engineers contributed - everything." A beautiful and true observation if ever there was.

Scientists, artists, musicians etc etc contributed nothing then, 'cos engineers contributed- everything.

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

Never seen this guy before, he seems cool and speaks sense.

He would seem cool, he was somewhere near the North Pole

Originally Posted by nikyzf

They went in April, when it was still very cold, and they didn't go to the North Pole. The 'Radio Times' described it as the Magnetic Pole, but even that seems to be wrong or out of date as it was 82.7° N 114.4° W in 2005 (the Geomagnetic Pole is at 79.74° N 71.78° W). I got the impression that they didn't actually drive over much, if any, sea ice. Did they drive to the northern edge of Ellesmere Island (the closest land to the Magnetic Pole)?

But the closer you get to the pole the colder it must get so if its that cold way off the physical north pole location then that just confirms how little damage man must be doing. It appears man is doing no damge even at the lower extremities which is where you would expect signs to be showing.

[loz]

See http://www.invinciblehilux.co.uk/ for a very informative website detailing the Top Gear Polar Challenge

Also some info now up on the Top Gear site http://www.topgear.com
Including this interesting blog entry
http://www.topgear.com/blogs/planett...64-pole-stars/

also http://www.arctictrucks.com/

Originally Posted by blearyeyes

Nor did the women who set out to highlight the problems caused by GW at the pole a few weeks ago. One lost some fingers for her efforts, if I remember rightly.

Never saw that, but it does make me chuckle to hear that a global warming expert has been given a sharp reminder of just how little has changed. Did she go in a swimsuit to show how hot it is there now

[pjclark1]

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

Never saw that, but it does make me chuckle to hear that a global warming expert has been given a sharp reminder of just how little has changed. Did she go in a swimsuit to show how hot it is there now

They were going to highlight the damage caused by GW, but it was so unseasonably cold that they had to give up after a couple of days. Made me laugh anyways.

[loz]

Originally Posted by pjclark1

They were going to highlight the damage caused by GW, but it was so unseasonably cold that they had to give up after a couple of days. Made me laugh anyways.

do you have a link?

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

But the closer you get to the pole the colder it must get so if its that cold way off the physical north pole location then that just confirms how little damage man must be doing. It appears man is doing no damge even at the lower extremities which is where you would expect signs to be showing.

The crucial point is that it was April, when the sun had been above the horizon for only a few weeks. It was still very cold so you wouldn't see any of the melting expected in the "summer".

It is not necessarily true that it gets colder as you get nearer the Pole, as land masses, altitude, and terrain make quite a difference. The coldest place on earth is not the S Pole but Vostok at 78 deg S, and the coldest in the N hemisphere is not the N Pole but Verkhoyansk in Siberia at 67.5 deg N.

[blearyeyes]

Originally Posted by johntheexpat

Scientists, artists, musicians etc etc contributed nothing then, 'cos engineers contributed- everything.



He would seem cool, he was somewhere near the North Pole

Engineering - the appliance of science. You're on this forum because of engineers. AV only exists because of engineers. Which aspects of our modern lives have engineers not been in some way responsible for? However if the greens had their own way we would be still communicating using letters, but then air-miles would be too prohibitive so maybe not!

[blearyeyes]

Originally Posted by loz

do you have a link?

Here's one:

motls.blogspot.com/2007/03/frostbite-brings-attention-to-global.html

Originally Posted by pjclark1

but it was so unseasonably cold that they had to give up after a couple of days

So it being unseasonably cold was the GW supporters excuse for it not being hot . Could it just be the fact that its no warmer there now then it was 100 years ago.

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by blearyeyes

Clarkson is universally loathed by the environmental movement for his cavalier attitute to all things 'green'. He can be pretty brash at times, but he is spot on with his critisms. His best line by far was his statement summing up greenie rhetoric:

"What have the environmentalists ever contributed to society - nothing. What have engineers contributed - everything." A beautiful and true observation if ever there was.

Actually if it was not for environmentalist, there would be no trees within the center of the USA. IT was environmentalists that planted the majority of those trees to offset for the cutting of the rain forest and to control the erosion in many areas where there were hills and such. "CCC" is one such environmental groups run by the federal government for a time.

Many of the necessary wild life we need to sustain our ecosystem that was on the brink of extinction was due to the efforts of environmentalist. Many of the whales that is allowed to be caught for food consumption are available due to the efforts of the environmentalists. If they had not made an effort to protect them the whale would have been fished to extinction by now. thus we would have lost a food source.

The point of putting the Conservation in, is that, it too is a environmental movement and is "Green" But it is not radical in that it tries to strike a balance in the environmental needs with human needs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation

I am almost sure that you would detest this group as well. Just to let you know that you are also detesting almost all other fields of science in that conservation uses them all to achieve its goal.

Maybe the point is that you hate everything that you feel is a threat to what you perceive as interfering with your free will. Regardless of the consequences so long as it does not affect you personally.

One type of group will not save us. Its a combination of many diverse groups working together that will. It is impossible to fix our would in a compartmental fashion. Why? Because of the fact that every thing is interconnected and influence things around them. To think other wise is pure selfishness or sheer ignorance.

Originally Posted by nikyzf

The crucial point is that it was April, when the sun had been above the horizon for only a few weeks. It was still very cold so you wouldn't see any of the melting expected in the "summer".

It does appear that these so called global warming experts are trying to make excuses, it does appear that "Global warming" only happens at certain times of the year which in my view just indicates how untrue the whole subject is. The evidence would be there for all to see at any time of the year.

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

It does appear that these so called global warming experts are trying to make excuses, it does appear that "Global warming" only happens at certain times of the year which in my view just indicates how untrue the whole subject is. The evidence would be there for all to see at any time of the year.

So you would go to either Pole in winter to look for melting?

[loz]

To be fair, another British guy (what is it about the british and exploring?), did highlight climate change affecting the North Pole by recently swimming there
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6899612.stm

Lewis Gordon Pugh, 37, swam for 18 minutes and 50 seconds in temperatures of -1.8C (28.7F), the coldest waters a human has swum in.

The City lawyer said the swim was a triumph but it was "a tragedy that it's possible to swim at the North Pole".

Moreover, he swam at the geographic north pole, which is further north than Top Gear went.

On the other hand, it was the middle of summer

[johntheexpat]

Originally Posted by blearyeyes

Engineering - the appliance of science.

Scientists take a problem and by using their prodigious brain power and intellect solve it and move on, leaving the engineers to do the grunt work of applying the science that those clever people have developed. Sounds about right.

[Corey USA]

The Rout that was taken Was the area where there is the most ICE as you can see in this NASA interactive ice comparison.

http://www.everybodysweather.com/Sta...lter/index.htm

The expedition was seriously misleading in regards to the level of ice melt over time.

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

It does appear that these so called global warming experts are trying to make excuses, it does appear that "Global warming" only happens at certain times of the year which in my view just indicates how untrue the whole subject is. The evidence would be there for all to see at any time of the year.

Take a look at the link I provided to see an interactive version using NASA DATA. this is no hoax if you think its a hoax then your saying NASA is wrong.

NASA is made up of scientist and engineers not "green" folks.

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by loz

These guys supported them

This was the route they took
http://www.polar-challenge.com/detail.asp?articleID=10

From the map, and the programme, I got the impression they did drive over quite a bit of sea

When you compare the polar chalange Rout they took with the interactive link I posted, you can see they were only driving where there was the most ice. Not where it was melting the most.

They would not have been able to drive where the ice was melting for there is none along the other coast on the oposite side. Very misleading to the public regarding actual overall Ice melt.