[JagoPlasma]

I've had my recycle bin for a couple of months now and would like to know more about what i can and cant put in it

for instance i have a big box of coat hangers, can i chuck them in? some are wood, most are plastic with metal on them.

also how thoroughly do i have to wash stuff? are the council going to reimburse me for wasting water that i wouldnt normally have to use.

[blearyeyes]

Originally Posted by JagoPlasma

I've had my recycle bin for a couple of months now and would like to know more about what i can and cant put in it

for instance i have a big box of coat hangers, can i chuck them in? some are wood, most are plastic with metal on them.

also how thoroughly do i have to wash stuff? are the council going to reimburse me for wasting water that i wouldnt normally have to use.

If in doubt - black bin. All plastic containers (except carrier bags), paper cardboard - blue bin. Garden refuge - brown bin. At least that's the system up here in parts of Scotland. I give plastic food containers a cursory rinse. However, if anyone can prove that Chinese sorters might want to lick them clean, I will stop doing this!

Strangely well-rotted, crumbly timber is not considered compostable material. I have watched binmen remove this and dump it in the street. And before I am accused of having converted to the green religion, I reluctantly comply with the garbage segregation system because, having two larger than normal bins and one brown bin, I actually have more bin space in total than before.

[MikeTV]

Originally Posted by JagoPlasma

I've had my recycle bin for a couple of months now and would like to know more about what i can and cant put in it

My council sent me instructions when they introduced new the scheme. I am sure you could get one of these at the town hall or via the website. Not all councils colect the same items. If you get it wrong, I expect the collectors will probably just leave the items.

[JagoPlasma]

wow alot of faith in binmen checking the rubbish, ive seen binmen collect out rubbish and they dont do anything, just load it up and off it goes!

we did get a leaflet but id be buggered if i can find it

[MikeTV]

Mine really do leave the unwanted stuff, like plastic items.

[andykn]

Originally Posted by JagoPlasma

wow alot of faith in binmen checking the rubbish, ive seen binmen collect out rubbish and they dont do anything, just load it up and off it goes!

we did get a leaflet but id be buggered if i can find it

Try your local council's website.

[damo_in_sale]

I recently watched an edition of the Politics Show, during which a young bin man was interviewed regarding the new alternative weekly collection policy in his town. He told the interviewer that it was his job to ‘educate the public’, which I deciphered as meaning ‘tell them what they can and can’t stick in their bins’. And if the ‘public’, e.g. people with wealth generating jobs who pay for his employment by force, made a mistake, then his bin inspections would pick this up and a fine might be administered, along with of course the refusal to empty the offending bin.
The very fact that I might be ‘educated’ by a bin man is frankly comical. I am minded to educate the said bin man as to why he is a bin man, and the reason is most likely that, when it mattered, he wasn’t bothered about education.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by MikeTV

Mine really do leave the unwanted stuff, like plastic items.

And you're forced to pay for this level of 'service'?

[johntheexpat]

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

He told the interviewer that it was his job to ‘educate the public’,

Someone should tell him it's his job to collect the rubbish. The council have presumably paid a proportion of their rubbish budget to 'consultants' who have come up with this er .... 'stuff', and polluted the poor guys mind with illusions of grandeur.

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

The very fact that I might be ‘educated’ by a bin man is frankly comical. I am minded to educate the said bin man as to why he is a bin man, and the reason is most likely that, when it mattered, he wasn’t bothered about education.

Make sure you video the encounter. It will surely be a winner on Youtube

[MikeTV]

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

I recently watched an edition of the Politics Show, during which a young bin man was interviewed regarding the new alternative weekly collection policy in his town. He told the interviewer that it was his job to ‘educate the public’, which I deciphered as meaning ‘tell them what they can and can’t stick in their bins’. And if the ‘public’, e.g. people with wealth generating jobs who pay for his employment by force, made a mistake, then his bin inspections would pick this up and a fine might be administered, along with of course the refusal to empty the offending bin.
The very fact that I might be ‘educated’ by a bin man is frankly comical. I am minded to educate the said bin man as to why he is a bin man, and the reason is most likely that, when it mattered, he wasn’t bothered about education.

Well, it seems to me that rather of lot of people do need educating by their binmen, judging by the fact that most people seem either unable, or bothered, to follow simple and comprehensive instructions issued by their councils. Anyway, why do you assume that binmen are uneducated and lazy?

I was told off once for putting paper (shredded) in the paper recycling bin.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by stratagem

I was told off once for putting paper (shredded) in the paper recycling bin.

Who by? Was the degree educated and latin fluent binman trying to 'educate' you?

To be honest, no, it was an enthusiastic although spotty and nervous youngster working for the council's elite bin police. A small task force were wandering around sticking their heads in all the bins, havent seen them since mind you.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by stratagem

To be honest, no, it was an enthusiastic although spotty and nervous youngster working for the council's elite bin police. A small task force were wandering around sticking their heads in all the bins, havent seen them since mind you.

Well, we need to crack down on all these evil bin criminals. After all, having erradiciated robbery, burglary, muggings, assault, criminal damage and the like the state must now turn it's attention to our criminal use of bins.

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

Well, we need to crack down on all these evil bin criminals. After all, having erradiciated robbery, burglary, muggings, assault, criminal damage and the like the state must now turn it's attention to our criminal use of bins.

I did read yesterday that 33,000 fines have been issued for bin offences in the last 5 years. If we could just fit cameras in all the bins we could automate it much like speed cameras, to maximise the revenue.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by stratagem

I did read yesterday that 33,000 fines have been issued for bin offences in the last 5 years. If we could just fit cameras in all the bins we could automate it much like speed cameras, to maximise the revenue.

That sounds like a sensible policy to me.
However, I would go further. Because bin crime is rampant and a menace to society, items found contravening strict bin laws should be checked for fingerprints and DNA evidence.
Once the evidence is linked to the perpetrator, an elite squad of council staff could be sent to beat the miscreant around the head with their clipboards.

How about RFID readers, we could analyse their food intake, fine them for bad eating habits likely to put a strain on the NHS, and ensure they are buying sufficient ethnic products to ensure that diversity targets are met.

Ther're just not thinking this through, are they.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by stratagem

How about RFID readers, we could analyse their food intake, fine them for bad eating habits likely to put a strain on the NHS, and ensure they are buying sufficient ethnic products to ensure that diversity targets are met.

Ther're just not thinking this through, are they.

Yes, you're quite right. And bin crime is often linked to food crime.

What we need is joined up government in these twin areas. When ID cards come into force, we should be made to swipe our ID cards on purchase of food, and details of the purchase sent to a national database. The state can then check that the individual reaches their centrally set lentil target, and in conjunction with rigorous bin inspections, that we are actually eating our lentil quota.

[Stephen Wilde]

Fortunately I'm able to leave the rubbish sorting to my wife but the fact is that there is such a huge variation in the stuff to be disposed of that the instructions provided are hopelessly ineffective.

The point seems to be to recycle but there is precious little indication that any effective i.e. environmentally helpful recycling is actually taking place.

There must be a crossover point where any environmental benefit is outweighed by the cost of the process but I see no attempt to identify where that point arises.

For all of us time is the only thing life gives us. We have to do what we can to make best use of the time allotted by fate to each of us. From what I can see the time required to puzzle over and try to obey the directions amounts to several hours per week per person. We need to be given a concrete indication of what that spent time actually achieves in cost and environmental terms but I suspect it has never been thought through in the rush to be politically correct.

With a UK population of 65 million people we must be spending many person years per annum on activity that is not proven to have any benefit to anyone or the planet.

If all that energy is being diverted from other more productive or pleasurable activity as indeed it must be then the net effect is bad not good.

If we keep getting central state direction in ever increasing areas then before long our time will not be our own and we may as well be living in a new feudal society. Is that what is meant by new labour ?

I don't think our current masters have any concept of the value of time to any of their 'subjects'. As far as they are concerned all our time is theirs to play around with as their fashionable whims require. There seems to be no way of getting them to account to us for the effectiveness or otherwise of their confiscation of our valuable time. Time is all any of us owns and the theft of it is a theft of our very lives.

I might be putting this issue in a rather dramatic way but it really is true.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by Stephen Wilde

Fortunately I'm able to leave the rubbish sorting to my wife but the fact is that there is such a huge variation in the stuff to be disposed of that the instructions provided are hopelessly ineffective.

The point seems to be to recycle but there is precious little indication that any effective i.e. environmentally helpful recycling is actually taking place.

There must be a crossover point where any environmental benefit is outweighed by the cost of the process but I see no attempt to identify where that point arises.

For all of us time is the only thing life gives us. We have to do what we can to make best use of the time allotted by fate to each of us. From what I can see the time required to puzzle over and try to obey the directions amounts to several hours per week per person. We need to be given a concrete indication of what that spent time actually achieves in cost and environmental terms but I suspect it has never been thought through in the rush to be politically correct.

With a UK population of 65 million people we must be spending many person years per annum on activity that is not proven to have any benefit to anyone or the planet.

If all that energy is being diverted from other more productive or pleasurable activity as indeed it must be then the net effect is bad not good.

If we keep getting central state direction in ever increasing areas then before long our time will not be our own and we may as well be living in a new feudal society. Is that what is meant by new labour ?

I don't think our current masters have any concept of the value of time to any of their 'subjects'. As far as they are concerned all our time is theirs to play around with as their fashionable whims require. There seems to be no way of getting them to account to us for the effectiveness or otherwise of their confiscation of our valuable time. Time is all any of us owns and the theft of it is a theft of our very lives.

I might be putting this issue in a rather dramatic way but it really is true.

Stephen, I think you misunderstand. What we really need is the state to make every decision on our behalf, because we can't be trusted to make the 'right' decisions ourselves.

[Stephen Wilde]

That' s probably right.

Each household will need a state employee living in to do whatever is necessary to ensure compliance. That person will have priority rights for all his or her daily requirements and will report everything we think, say or do to the nearest commisar so that the appropriate administrative punishment can be applied.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by Stephen Wilde

That' s probably right.

Each household will need a state employee living in to do whatever is necessary to ensure compliance. That person will have priority rights for all his or her daily requirements and will report everything we think, say or do to the nearest commisar so that the appropriate administrative punishment can be applied.

That's a superb idea Stephen, you’re way ahead of me. It is also an excellent way of solving the housing shortage too.
My thinking was quite sloppy in comparison; my thoughts were along the lines of having a government inspector inside decoy bins, fitted out of course with the latest surveillance equipment in order to monitor our heinous bin crimes.

I have much to learn.

[Stephen Wilde]

It would be the best possible use of all those immigrants.

One per household should just about mop up all of them.

If they keep coming we can just make it two per household.

I know that the European project is just the continuation of World War 2 by other means so my solution would be perfect.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by Stephen Wilde

It would be the best possible use of all those immigrants.

One per household should just about mop up all of them.

If they keep coming we can just make it two per household.

I know that the European project is just the continuation of World War 2 by other means so my solution would be perfect.

Have you just finished your tea mate? That must have been one hell of a Sunday roast. Did you carbon offset?

[Stephen Wilde]

Yes, and the Polish girl is a great cook. I just have to keep quiet when she's around.

[MikeTV]

It's like reading the Daily Mail.

[Stephen Wilde]

Do I detect a sense of humour failure ?

What is it with the Daily Mail anyway ? It has been mentioned more than once by people who share a certain political attitude.

I read the Telegraph usually but dip into the Guardian when I want to feel depressed.

[andykn]

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

Stephen, I think you misunderstand. What we really need is the state to make every decision on our behalf, because we can't be trusted to make the 'right' decisions ourselves.

I've already noted that the profusion of firnms advising people on how to dodge paying the huge debts they've run up with no means to pay them as an example of how we can't be trusted to make the 'right' decisons ourselves always.

And seeing as this thread was started by someone who admitted he needed educating, what's wrong with the people who we have decided to pay to remove our rubbish helping us a bit too.

If you'd contracted a private company to remove your refuse, they'd have an 0870 number for that advice. And then either just not remove you non-conforming waste (because they aren't your concil and don't care about the public health nuisance from uncollected rubbish) or they'll fine you. But they'll call it a 'charge' like the banks do.

At least the fine your council gives you is legal.

Originally Posted by Stephen Wilde

What is it with the Daily Mail anyway ? It has been mentioned more than once by people who share a certain political attitude.

I think it's some new form of legal racism, it seems you can derate 2.3 million people and get away with it.

The Daily Mail tends to challenge that "certain political attitude"

[njp]

The Daily Mail - "The choice of paranoid suburban voyeurs, waddling like Strasbourg geese behind their privet hedges, force-fed on a diet of prejudice and fear."