[Corey USA]

Decided to start a link for human toll of our destructive way and how none of us will escape this if we continue as is.

http://www.rifpd.org/
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty273.htm

[AgentCool]

It is predicted that human population will peak at 9 billion some time in the next century before stabilising and probably falling. Overpopulated countries such as Japan are already witnessing population decline. Currently at 127m, the Japanese population will likely be nearer to 60m by 2100.

[ijd]

I am sure you have covered this all before in many topics and posts.

[AgentCool]

The irony of the whole debate is that the alleged "selfishness" of western people (career driven culture etc) is actually leading to population decline rather than growth which will ultimately result in a reduction of resource consumption. It wasn't too long back - and it may still be the case - that European adults were being encouraged to have children as it is predicted the EU population could drop by around 25% by 2100 if the current low birth rates continue.

[Corey USA]

The point of this thread is for you to see with your own eyes from the experts instead of the quak you think I am.

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by markwpage

The irony of the whole debate is that the alleged "selfishness" of western people (career driven culture etc) is actually leading to population decline rather than growth which will ultimately result in a reduction of resource consumption. It wasn't too long back - and it may still be the case - that European adults were being encouraged to have children as it is predicted the EU population could drop by around 25% by 2100 if the current low birth rates continue.

That decline is being offset by more people consuming more resources per person. Perfect example is Nimby posted a link to the Energy saving group which has said that electronics is set to surpass cooling/heating and refrigerator use. Per person in the industrial nation is making up for the population decline. In pollution put off by there over consumption.

What I do not understand is how can people here not see that without consciencly turning a blind Eye to the facts all around us.

By indirect murder is how we are dropping the population. Everyone of us on this forum is guilty of this.

[Decadence]

Very entertaining....

Originally Posted by Corey USA

The point of this thread is for you to see with your own eyes from the experts instead of the quak you think I am.

Corey, I assume these are the same "experts" who have given us global warming

[ijd]

Originally Posted by Decadence

Very entertaining....

For the first page, but like all the other threads from this author the more round and round they go the more boring they get.
Tedious and tedium spring to mind,
He will soon have his narrow minded followers trying to back him,
Personally i think they are all the same person only the pseudonym's have been changed

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by Manhattan Mike

Corey, I assume these are the same "experts" who have given us global warming

NO as far as I can tell these are a different group

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by ijd

For the first page, but like all the other threads from this author the more round and round they go the more boring they get.
Tedious and tedium spring to mind,
He will soon have his narrow minded followers trying to back him,
Personally i think they are all the same person only the pseudonym's have been changed

I am not Stuart Wright! Hell I don't even write like him no offence to the man.

Reason you find this boring is you choose to take a immoral stance on the issue. You would not find human suffering and death due to your actions boring if you were any other type of person other than immoral

[ijd]

I have my morals in the right place, just because i don`t agree with depressive crackpots does not make me immoral.
However one thing i do find immoral is someone who preaches to others that they should alter their own lives into doom and gloom merchants, preaching to the rest of the world that they have to change their lives and become depressed lunatics. Surely you would do much better counting your lucky stars, appreciating that while there are many people in this world starving and dying of hunger and would gladly swap their destiny`s with you,That you are not one of them, and instead of insulting these people by wasting your own life with your out of touch ramblings,make the most of it and get a life and be Happy, Allow other people to get on with their own lives without you bleating your idiotic ideals on to them and trying to make them feel guilty about what they have.
I do know that your not Stuart, Again this in the confused mutterings of one of your blinkered followers implying such a thing, Like all the rubbish that comes from your corner, poorly communicated.
If you have such a problem with the developed world why not start your own forum dedicated to such issue`s instead of trying to hijack this one,
Could it possibly be that you tried that and it failed due to lack of interest,

[njp]

Originally Posted by ijd

I do know that your not Stuart, Again this in the confused mutterings of one of your blinkered followers implying such a thing, Like all the rubbish that comes from your corner, poorly communicated.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand any of that. What were you trying to tell us?

[ijd]

on another one of his threads one of his deluded followers made a comment on the lines that "Stuart owns the forum and can do as he pleases"
I don't even want to go back and read the ghastly rubbish trying to find it.
As Stuart Wright is the Administrator for this forum,
So it was suggested that corey was Stuart, and so on
However corey is a suitable name for this guy, and if he wants to know what a corey is in England i will be only to happy to explain..

[ijd]

Originally Posted by ijd

on another one of his threads one of his deluded followers made a comment on the lines that "Stuart owns the forum and can do as he pleases"
I don't even want to go back and read the ghastly rubbish trying to find it.
As Stuart Wright is the Administrator for this forum,
So it was suggested that corey was Stuart, and so on
However corey is a suitable name for this guy, and if he wants to know what a corey is in England i will be only to happy to explain..

Originally Posted by njp

I don't think Stuart intended this part of the forum to be a "chill out" area. Nobody is compelling you to read or contribute here.

told you it wouldnt be long, i knew that name rang a bell

[ijd]

Originally Posted by njp

Since the topic owner is also the owner of the entire forum, I think that is unlikely to happen. On the whole, Stuart has been remarkably tolerant of dissenting views here. The text you refer to was added after a spate of particularly pointless posts by certain individuals, now no longer with us. It would be a shame if history repeated itself. My own position is that I am quite happy to debate global warming, because it exposes the weakness of the contrarian's arguments for all to see.

and here is the outlandish, ridiculous misleading comment in full

[njp]

Originally Posted by ijd

and here is the outlandish, ridiculous misleading comment in full

Look fine to me. What exactly did you find outlandish and misleading about it?

[Corey USA]

Ijd the reason I did mention the moral issue in regards to you was that the difference between you and I. is this I value life and try to treat it Equal for I realize they are part of the balance to my life and sustains me. I have no interest in making people live a depressive life. What I do have is a interest In stopping those who choose to abuse others and choose to follow anti-social behaviors for personal gain.

I have been on the receiving end of this crap for too long. I am saying, I had enough and that I would rather work with people with different views to find balance that the majority of people can live with. I realize I will never be able to come up with something that every single person on earth would be happy with.

I split my time here with a sustainability site. I would rather spend my time there for we are at least making an effort to come up with some kind of workable solution there.

Yet I come here because someone asked for help Who in there right mind would turn something like that down?

Especially if the request for help had good intention for the greater good of all.

By the way where have you contributed in the sub forum in finding a workable way to balance out the Ecosystem needs with that of the human species?

[Corey USA]

I didn't see anything misleading in Njp quoted comment either.

[ijd]

Originally Posted by Corey USA

I didn't see anything misleading in Njp quoted comment either.

for starters i would not of expected you to, you monorail one way thinking only lets you see what you want to see and as long as it is suitable to your way of thinking you wouldn't.
As far as posting on the topic, i have not and i do not see fit to, but by the same token I don't expect to be preached to or be accused of the worlds decline by leading a normal life and as far as comments like

By indirect murder is how we are dropping the population. Everyone of us on this forum is guilty of this

I find highly offensive

[ijd]

Originally Posted by njp

Look fine to me. What exactly did you find outlandish and misleading about it?

outlandish,and misleading=Since the topic owner is also the owner of the entire forum

[ijd]

Originally Posted by Corey USA

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By the way where have you contributed in the sub forum in finding a workable way to balance out the Ecosystem needs with that of the human species?

By the way, where,on this AV forum have you contributed anything positive or technical about the AV industry or asked any workable questions about AV products

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by ijd

By the way, where,on this AV forum have you contributed anything positive or technical about the AV industry or asked any workable questions about AV products

The answer to your question, Is that I was asked to help in this particular sub forum NOT the AV portion.

Originally Posted by ijd

and here is the outlandish, ridiculous misleading comment in full

Here is Stuart's sticky

Welcome to the AV Forums climate change forum.
Why is this forum here? Well as the owner of this forum, it's a small something I can do to promote discussion and hopefully raise awareness of the problems and the solutions of global warming.
Having a couple of kids, their well being is now the most important thing in my life, and so whether I like it or not, global warming has replaced global nuclear war as the big thing to worry about. And I do worry about it.

AV Forums thankfully has excellent reach into Google, so people searching for discussions on the subject may find us here.

No AV system exists without electricity. What can we do to enjoy our electronic home entertainment AND save the planet?

----------------
A note to people who do not believe that global warming is a result of man's influence, this forum is *not* for you. Arguments as to whether global warming exists or not; or that it exists as a result of man's influence or not are mute.

Care to explain how NJP's comment was "outlandish, ridiculous misleading"?

[Corey USA]

Quote from corey:Quote:
Originally Posted by markwpage
The irony of the whole debate is that the alleged "selfishness" of western people (career driven culture etc) is actually leading to population decline rather than growth which will ultimately result in a reduction of resource consumption. It wasn't too long back - and it may still be the case - that European adults were being encouraged to have children as it is predicted the EU population could drop by around 25% by 2100 if the current low birth rates continue.

That decline is being offset by more people consuming more resources per person. Perfect example is Nimby posted a link to the Energy saving group which has said that electronics is set to surpass cooling/heating and refrigerator use. Per person in the industrial nation is making up for the population decline. In pollution put off by there over consumption.

What I do not understand is how can people here not see that without consciencly turning a blind Eye to the facts all around us.

By indirect murder is how we are dropping the population. Everyone of us on this forum is guilty of this.

Originally Posted by ijd

I find highly offensive

Again taken out of context blue portion is the part I wrote in comment to markwpage

Maybe the reason you see it as offensive is maybe you see some truth to the comment..........

By who's term of normal life you refer? On a per person quota on earth we in the industrial nation live above and beyond excessive compared to the actual per person average of normal life..

Your sense of normal derives from the fact that you were born into Your excessive consumption. Since this is most likely the case you have never lived close to what the actual level of a normal life base on actual averages. of the total world population.

Another truth if you did not find this sub forum intresting you would not have bothered to read or post to it....

[ijd]

another monkey joins in,
easy, i have never seen seen that, nor would i choose to, if there is a way of blocking this so it does not show up in the new posts then please tell me, as i have no wish to view it or read any of the comments in it, and i find it frustrating having to troll through this looking for the interesting stuff,

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by ijd

another monkey joins in,
easy, i have never seen seen that, nor would i choose to, if there is a way of blocking this so it does not show up in the new posts then please tell me, as i have no wish to view it or read any of the comments in it, and i find it frustrating having to troll through this looking for the interesting stuff,

simple put the "posters" on "block" Only difficulty is you loose out on everything they are saying.

Originally Posted by ijd

another monkey joins in,
easy, i have never seen seen that, nor would i choose to, if there is a way of blocking this so it does not show up in the new posts then please tell me, as i have no wish to view it or read any of the comments in it, and i find it frustrating having to troll through this looking for the interesting stuff,

OK, so who's the monkey, and what are you referring to? Without a quote, partial or otherwise, how do we tell?

[Corey USA]

I think Ijd refers to all of us as monkeys, Or at least those who say there needs to be moderation in consumptions and pollutions.

Another reason for this is that IJD feels threatened that his or her excessive way of life may actually have limits and is in denial in that regard.

taking it out on us as a means to quell there uncertainties of there future.