[Corey USA]

This is on the conservative side provided by corporate accountability international. The reason it is conservative is so they don't wind up in court because of hearsay or slander.

it takes about 39,000 gal of pure drinking water to produce one care and its four tires.
it takes 59,000 gal drinking water to produce 1 ton of steel

by 2025 50% of humans will not have access to adequate clean drinking water.
If business as usual continues.

I would be curious as to how much our fancy electronics use to be made......

[ijd]

shopuldn`t this be on a tree hugging, dolphin swimming,rubbish recycling type forum, personally i think the national grid has a few problems keeping up with my high wattage, power hungry, always on standby when not in use type equipment

[paul_w]

We havn't had adequate GOOD quality drinking water since the government decided to make some quick bucks from us taxpayers by privatising the water industry .

[paul_w]

BTW who are corporate accountability international?

I googled it but could make no sense of the nearest matches .

[njp]

Originally Posted by paul_w

BTW who are corporate accountability international?

These people, presumably.

I think I preferred Michael Moore's Crackers, the Corporate Crime Chicken

[Corey USA]

Your right Njp sorry for not putting the link. They are a Group that is trying to make big business accountable for crimes and other criminal activity by educating us layman.

Paul W you have witnessed what they are trying to fight. The government was led to believe by the privatization companies that it would cost the government(tax payer) less by switching to a for profit company to run the water municipal systems. So as to take the burden of maintaining the water system of the government shoulder.

The problem with for profit company holding the human right to water in there hand is that they will do anything and everything to make a profit at yours and the governments and the ecosystems expense. In essence they are making drinking water into a pure luxury and if you don't pay them your hard earned money then you don't get to drink or use water.

The cost you pay for municipal water comes from only maintaining the infrastructure. The water is free, that is before a for profit company comes along and sells a bad idea and turns around and starts charging you not only for the infrastructure but the water as well. When no one is looking they destabilize the infrastructure pull out of town then you are forced over to bottled water. It is happening all over the world. Even here in the USA. More and more communities in the USA are telling them to back off and not in there community.

bottled water is more profitable than oil for the bottling company doesnt pay for the water itself. So the ratio of cost vs profit are higher. Stop blaming the government for the poor municipal its the company who compromised the system by shaving the maintenance in order to increase profit. Government is transparent in most regards especially if you have laws regarding the citizens right to know. private companies are not transparent.

Our community after learning about this is now moving towards preventing in future private companies from maintaining our municipal infrastructure.

[ijd]

oh pour me a carrot juice and lets all have a group discussion

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by paul_w

We havn't had adequate GOOD quality drinking water since the government decided to make some quick bucks from us taxpayers by privatising the water industry .

My water is superb, whats up with yours mate?

[paul_w]

Originally Posted by damo_in_sale

My water is superb, whats up with yours mate?

Well it just tastes disgusting.

Before privatisation we had superb water and i think whats happened is that since the building of a new reservoir just a few miles from me a few years ago (roadford in devon) whereas our water used to come from dartmoor (meldon dam) I think its from roadford now and has much more iron content.

I might be wrong on that but its my guess.

We even had to buy a fridge with a built in water filter and the filter needs replacing every 3 months which is £35 a time

But at least its drinkable after filtering.

Plus the fact we have the highest water bills in the country by at least 50% higher than any other area. But its still ok for sww aka the pennon group to take 50 million profit from us in a year .

And whats the next excuse to bump up profits yet again ?
Its the governments directive that all water companies will now soon have to take on all the private sewage systems which in the south west is quite a high number.
Talk about having a cash cow then milking it. In their left hand they will have the extra income from those with private systems.
And in their right hand they have been told they can increase our bills as well thats those of us who already pay sewerage charges
Sorry for ranting a bit but it gets you so mad

[Corey USA]

The cost goes up the more middlemen are added. remove the for profit middlemen and the cost will go down.

At least here in the USA, We only pay for the infrastructure to supply the water. Until someone dumb enough to fall for a for profit companies sale pitch to privatize..

[loz]

Originally Posted by Corey USA

it takes about 39,000 gal of pure drinking water to produce one care and its four tires.
it takes 59,000 gal drinking water to produce 1 ton of steel

AIUI, you don't loose that water as such.
It isn't 39000 gals of water converted into four tires.
It is just that it (whatever the real figure) is used in someway in the process of manufacturing tires.
I imagine some of it is used for cooling for example, and returned to the atmosphere as steam, or back into the river.

And water is a very expensive commodity to transport. Just because we have a surfiet of drinking water in one country, and can afford to use to wash tires, doesn't mean it is viable to transport it to another country, the other side of the globe.

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by loz

AIUI, you don't loose that water as such.
It isn't 39000 gals of water converted into four tires.
It is just that it (whatever the real figure) is used in someway in the process of manufacturing tires.
I imagine some of it is used for cooling for example, and returned to the atmosphere as steam, or back into the river.

And water is a very expensive commodity to transport. Just because we have a surfiet of drinking water in one country, and can afford to use to wash tires, doesn't mean it is viable to transport it to another country, the other side of the globe.

Right, in the end though its 39,000 gals less drinking(clean) water. Just because its underground does not mean we need to use it beyond its regeneration ability like we are now in many places. Nore do we have the right to further pollute the river of the waste.

The point of the figures is that if the community that is running short of drinking water needs to know where its all going so as to shut down wasteful use of water 10 gal per person a day 3900 people per day for one less car made. Take in the rest of what I posted on this thread.
See where I am going?

cars are not built on demand for the most part they are made then the demand is created to buy something we really don't want or hyped to get us to buy it.

It becomes a issue of a 3900 humans' right to fresh water over 1 person luxury of having a car. its a moral and ethical point.

same way with bottled water persons right to nessesity over another person basically stealing water to sell as a profit.

[loz]

But cars aren't made in places where there is a shortage of clean water. So they are not depriving anyone of it.

And places that don't have clean water is nothing to do with car manufacturers "stealing" it from another continent

[Corey USA]

Originally Posted by loz

But cars aren't made in places where there is a shortage of clean water. So they are not depriving anyone of it.

And places that don't have clean water is nothing to do with car manufacturers "stealing" it from another continent

Maybe not alone but it is having a net effect with everything else like Turf grass watering etc.

We here in Minnesota USA which was considered water rich are finding out that is not the case.

We are draining fresh water faster than earth can regenerate it and there is a prediction of 20% reduction in precipitation as a whole due to climate change. Add urban sprawl. More pavement and less water makes it into the underground. Those areas where water was once thought to be in abundance is no more. We just did A study here in Minnesota and are now finding that many areas are either near capacity of renewable levels or have exceeded up to 150%.

As a result we either need to reduce our use or ship water in from else where.

The point about the cars and the steel was to show where the greatest use of drinking water is being used. So as to show where the cuts in reductions need to be taken to have the greatest benefits to human birth right to drinking water.

Right now as we speak to many private companies are trying to take control of all the fresh water sources and driving it into a commodity like oil. So in essence you would have to pay top dollar just to have the luxury of having a necessity.

very near future car companies will, when things start drying up and the population continues to increase.

The lake Superior is a foot and a-half below its long-term average. The last time the lake was this low was 1926. This is one of the largest inland fresh water lakes to give you an idea of the enormity of the water issue.

[Corey USA]

Minnesota is considered water rich or had thought they were water rich
I live in Minnesota Rochester to be precise.

http://www.the-footprint.net/category/water/

The point is to show that between human consumption and industry is exceeding the limits of renewable. This is why I had decided to show how much water was involved in producing a car and its four tires and 1 ton steel to show where it would be the easiest to make conservation cuts to ensure that humans had water to drink and use on food. Other conservation steps are necessary like average water reduction use..

[MikeTV]

Originally Posted by loz

But cars aren't made in places where there is a shortage of clean water. So they are not depriving anyone of it.

And places that don't have clean water is nothing to do with car manufacturers "stealing" it from another continent

Well, Mexico receives barely a drop of water from the Colorado river, because of actions in the US. And maybe the Mexicans would like to build more cars?