Fizzy drinks and global warming

gpa · 26-06-2007, 12:14 PM

Well it occurred to me that if we terrible humans are pumping huge amounts of CO2 in to the atmosphere, why has the issue of fizzy drinks come up in discussion.

As far as I am aware all fizzy drinks are charged with CO2 to make then fizz, so every time each and every one of us opens up a can of coke, bottle of pop or for that matter any drink that is fizzy we are releasing CO2 in massive amounts world wide on a daily basis. Is there not an alternative ?

AgentCool · 26-06-2007, 12:54 PM

And every day, each human on the planet exhales roughly 1kg of CO2. Add in all the other fauna that does the same and you're talking huge numbers.

hottstuff · 26-06-2007, 1:08 PM

Just think of the damage we do daily , by just existing!!!!!
Maybe someone above will take notice someday and pi55 fireballs on us all.

gpa · 26-06-2007, 1:46 PM

Sorry guys my post was really tongue in cheek with all this scaremongering going on

Having now had the hottest May since records began and now the wettest day and the wettest June since records began, the end is near, so hottstuff get your helmet on those fireballs are a coming

hottstuff · 26-06-2007, 2:12 PM

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so hottstuff get your helmet on those fireballs are a coming

Not to worry , Al Gore will save us all.
Either him or Bruce Willis , on the end of a big cokrocket.

gpa · 26-06-2007, 2:15 PM

Corey USA · 26-06-2007, 3:20 PM

hhmmm some of us are not trying to scaremonger we are just trying to share relevant observable info. Yes some of the info is scary because of the implication involved.

In regards to fizzy drinks It is where the co2 is from which makes it a big deal or not.

fauna(is plant right?) only expels Co2 or methane when decomposing otherwise it is changing co2 to air through photosynthesis.

njp · 26-06-2007, 3:47 PM

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In regards to fizzy drinks It is where the co2 is from which makes it a big deal or not.

It's a by-product of ammonia production, which uses natural gas as the raw material. So it's included in the fossil fuel figures.

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fauna(is plant right?) only expels Co2 or methane when decomposing otherwise it is changing co2 to air through photosynthesis.

That's flora. Fauna is animal life. But all the CO2 we humans breathe out was originally taken in by the plants we eat, or by the plants eaten by the animals we eat. So in that sense we are carbon-neutral. It doesn't quite work out that way, because we use fertilisers to help us grow crops and fossil fuels to help produce and distribute food.

johntheexpat · 26-06-2007, 4:12 PM

Fizzy drinks and fuzzy logic

Corey USA · 26-06-2007, 4:13 PM

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It's a by-product of ammonia production, which uses natural gas as the raw material. So it's included in the fossil fuel figures.

That's flora. Fauna is animal life. But all the CO2 we humans breathe out was originally taken in by the plants we eat, or by the plants eaten by the animals we eat. So in that sense we are carbon-neutral. It doesn't quite work out that way, because we use fertilisers to help us grow crops and fossil fuels to help produce and distribute food.

We may be carbon neutral individually. Although overpopulation upsets the balance in our ecosystem which makes us as a whole not neutral not in regards to co2 itself but our use of limited resources or exceeding the regeneration of resources.

thanks for correcting me I tend to get terms reversed.

If they could find a way to harvest co2 with little to no energy use from its current form and add it then I have no problems with fuzzy drinks it depends on source and energy used to collect it..

johntheexpat · 26-06-2007, 4:22 PM

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If they could find a way to harvest co2 with little to no energy use from its current form and add it then I have no problems with fuzzy drinks it depends on source and energy used to collect it..

Home brew! Totally natural fizz. Corey old mate, good thinking.

blearyeyes · 27-06-2007, 7:26 AM

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If they could find a way to harvest co2 with little to no energy use from its current form and add it then I have no problems with fuzzy drinks it depends on source and energy used to collect it..

But first it would be better to prove that CO2 is creating a problem, no?:

27-06-2007, 8:05 AM

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But first it would be better to prove that CO2 is creating a problem, no?:

Thats a very good point blearyeyes, until it is proven most people are not even interested.

njp · 27-06-2007, 8:31 AM

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But first it would be better to prove that CO2 is creating a problem, no?:

Why do you keep trying to take us back to square one? Recent warming is directly attributable to increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, beyond any reasonable doubt.

Corey USA · 27-06-2007, 3:54 PM

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But first it would be better to prove that CO2 is creating a problem, no?:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ocean...n%2 2&start=0

Here is your proof this is a proven fact that is being witnessed right now.

Ever wonder where all of our breathable air comes from???? Not just trees on land.

Or the acid rain?

gpa · 28-06-2007, 3:49 PM

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hhmmm some of us are not trying to scaremonger we are just trying to share relevant observable info. Yes some of the info is scary because of the implication involved.

In regards to fizzy drinks It is where the co2 is from which makes it a big deal or not.

fauna(is plant right?) only expels Co2 or methane when decomposing otherwise it is changing co2 to air through photosynthesis.

If I recall correctly, Flora expels 02 during the day and reverses (co2)at night

njp · 28-06-2007, 4:06 PM

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If I recall correctly, Flora expels 02 during the day and reverses (co2)at night

But there is a net uptake of carbon over the life of the plant. That's how they gain mass.

MikeTV · 01-07-2007, 12:10 AM

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But there is a net uptake of carbon over the life of the plant. That's how they gain mass.

That always amazes me when I look at trees (seriously) that they grew entirely from carbon in the atmosphere (and not from the soil, as most people incorrectly assume).

JagoPlasma · 01-07-2007, 10:56 AM

people often forget that plant life isnt the biggest contributer to co2 recycling, its actualy organisms on the seas surface.

just because there is more co2 around today doesnt mean that it has caused global warming.

there are more phone masts around today, have they caused it?
Cases of Cancer and aids are increasing, has that caused it?
i've been in work constantly for 3yrs now, has that caused it?
since i've been on my diet i tend to egg frump more, has that caused it?

just because something has increased doesnt mean it has caused something else. my stepdad actually thinks its shuttle craft/rockets "popping" the ozone layer thats causing it. they have been around for half a century so maybe they are causing it?

co2 has been around for a long time, maybe the fact its increasing is having an effect, but last time i checked it was CFC's and Carbon Monoxide causing the problem

njp · 01-07-2007, 12:19 PM

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people often forget that plant life isnt the biggest contributer to co2 recycling, its actualy organisms on the seas surface.

Phytoplankton pretty much are plants. Photoautotrophs, anyway. But you are right to draw attention to the fact that the sea is the major carbon sink.

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just because there is more co2 around today doesnt mean that it has caused global warming.

You deny that CO2 is a greenhouse gas? There is both a mechanism, and a correlation.

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there are more phone masts around today, have they caused it?

No. There is no mechanism, and no correlation.

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Cases of Cancer and aids are increasing, has that caused it?

No. There is no mechanism, and no correlation.

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i've been in work constantly for 3yrs now, has that caused it?
since i've been on my diet i tend to egg frump more, has that caused it?

No. There is no mechanism, and no correlation.

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You are right to despair at your poor understanding of science.

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just because something has increased doesnt mean it has caused something else.

Indeed not. You need a mechanism, and a correlation (am I starting to make my point yet?)

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my stepdad actually thinks its shuttle craft/rockets "popping" the ozone layer thats causing it. they have been around for half a century so maybe they are causing it?

No. There is no mechanism, and no correlation.

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co2 has been around for a long time, maybe the fact its increasing is having an effect, but last time i checked it was CFC's and Carbon Monoxide causing the problem

What was it exactly that you checked?

JagoPlasma · 01-07-2007, 1:34 PM

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You are right to despair at your poor understanding of science.

no need to be rude. you dont know me or my understanding of anything.

if you read my post correctly i was mearly stating that alot of things increase doesnt mean it causes increased global warming

I will admit that im not sure what you mean by "You need a mechanism, and a correlation" are you talking about cause and effect?

and i dont think its smart to say

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am I starting to make my point yet?

when its all in one post

to me you just sound like an arse, and no one listens to an arse

no offense intended of course

njp · 01-07-2007, 2:24 PM

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no need to be rude. you dont know me or my understanding of anything.

I can only judge you by what you write, not by what may or may not be inside your head.

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if you read my post correctly i was mearly stating that alot of things increase doesnt mean it causes increased global warming

I did read it correctly. You were pretending that the case for CO2 as the cause of recent global warming is no more substantial than a selection of whimsical ideas you thought up on the spur of the moment.

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to me you just sound like an arse, and no one listens to an arse

And to me you just sound like someone who has no understanding of the science, but is happy to dismiss it anyway.

02-07-2007, 2:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JagoPlasma

people often forget that plant life isnt the biggest contributer to co2 recycling, its actualy organisms on the seas surface.

just because there is more co2 around today doesnt mean that it has caused global warming.

there are more phone masts around today, have they caused it?
Cases of Cancer and aids are increasing, has that caused it?
i've been in work constantly for 3yrs now, has that caused it?
since i've been on my diet i tend to egg frump more, has that caused it?

just because something has increased doesnt mean it has caused something else. my stepdad actually thinks its shuttle craft/rockets "popping" the ozone layer thats causing it. they have been around for half a century so maybe they are causing it?

co2 has been around for a long time, maybe the fact its increasing is having an effect, but last time i checked it was CFC's and Carbon Monoxide causing the problem

Hey Jago, you forgot pirates. Strong correlation there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FSM_Pirates.jpg

JagoPlasma · 04-07-2007, 4:17 PM

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Hey Jago, you forgot pirates. Strong correlation there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FSM_Pirates.jpg

lol nice one!