[paul1967]

Just heard EEC looking into taxing them as they use 4 times more power than a normal tv, if the buying rate continues in the UK they say we will need 2 more nuclear power stations for the extra power to run them.

[Fusewire]

Mine's very environmentally friendly - it gives off no exaust emissions what so ever.

[paul1967]

[JagoPlasma]

me farting isnt enviromentaly friendly either.... id like to see them tax that!

if they are going to start taxing us on things we do day to day, i want to see tax relief on things i dont do. i dont fly a plane, i dont have bonfires, i dont run a coal powered power station... wheres my tax relief!!

[Fusewire]

me farting isnt enviromentaly friendly either.... id like to see them tax that!

There's an old saying you know........

You should be careful what you wish for - you might just get it.

[AgentCool]

Originally Posted by Fusewire

There's an old saying you know........

You should be careful what you wish for - you might just get it.

I can picture it now: 'The government is to add an extra 10p tax on baked beans, corn, cabbage and raisins in an attempt to decrease the extra pollutant gusts expelled by humans following consumption of these foods. The 'Fart Tax' will be used to reduce the amount of Class-A Fart Ammunition exposed to the public. A spokesman for the drive stated, "every person expels around half a litre of wind from their anus every day. If we can half that then there will be billions of litres less potent gas being added to the atmosphere every year from British rectums alone."'

[Fusewire]

Just read this rather disturbing article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6654301.stm

It makes my blood boil...

How do they get away with spouting such rubbish !!!!!

I have a plasma, I also don't have the cheapest electricity supplier that I could have because the wife wanted us to use a supplier that generates electricity from renewable sources. as usual she got her way.....

So if I have a green energy supplier that generates my electric using renewables, what difference does it make in terms of saving the planet how much I use - it's renewable so it doesn't matter that's the whole point.

Just looks to me like another case of using GW to justify yet another stealth tax rather than any geniune attempt to save the planet, the environmentalist featured in that article should be ashamed of himself.

Honestly some people would have us living in mud huts and running around in the woods with bows and arrows if they had thier way.

I feel a bit better now I've got that of my chest.

[pjclark1]

Flat panel tvs are all pretty bad/wasteful, faults tend to be unrepairable, I suspect few will last 10 years.

[chriszzzzzz]

Originally Posted by markwpage

I can picture it now: 'The government is to add an extra 10p tax on baked beans, corn, cabbage and raisins in an attempt to decrease the extra pollutant gusts expelled by humans following consumption of these foods. The 'Fart Tax' will be used to reduce the amount of Class-A Fart Ammunition exposed to the public. A spokesman for the drive stated, "every person expels around half a litre of wind from their anus every day. If we can half that then there will be billions of litres less potent gas being added to the atmosphere every year from British rectums alone."'

I think we should kick up a stink over this!!!

[ad47uk]

Originally Posted by paul1967

Just heard EEC looking into taxing them as they use 4 times more power than a normal tv, if the buying rate continues in the UK they say we will need 2 more nuclear power stations for the extra power to run them.

They will just tax them because they want to make more money. The Eu is like our government they will make any excuse to get us to pay more tax.

I don't have a plasma and I don't intnd to buy one, but I wonder if the E.U will tax CRT sets because they use more energy than those horrid LCD things.
If they do then I have got problems, because my next T.v will certainly be a CRT

[JagoPlasma]

well why not just tax us for using electric/gas? that way the people who use more pay more and is a more effective way of curbing energy use.

and those that use renewable energy wont have to pay said tax..... oh thats right they WANT to be able to tax us for everything even if it is green!

i pay my VAT on everything i buy, thats more than enough tax IMO.

how will they regulate imports for this new tax? not like its easy to import a plasma but im sure if it saves you a fortune on tax it may be more popular

[blearyeyes]

The euro-idiots, plus our home-grown, half-witted politicians add the greenatics and this is the sort of rubbish that gets generated. It really doesn't matter that academics are the ones making these statements - most of them are as dim as their political masters. They even made claims that TV standby power is up to 100% of the full operating power for some models!!! Talk about being technically challenged!!

[damo_in_sale]

The sooner we're out of the EU the better. The British public voted for a Common Market, not rule by foreigners.

[hornydragon]

YOu have to love it, inefficient = more TAX why not eficient = less TAX? WHy not drop VAT ie make "green" item VAT 0%, they never suggest this but always suggest more tax......... IT doesnt say who this chap works fr? WOnder if his grant is up for renewal? why not just ban TV? save loads of energy, improve national health levels no end? Wont generate anymore Tax tho will it

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by hornydragon

YOu have to love it, inefficient = more TAX why not eficient = less TAX? WHy not drop VAT ie make "green" item VAT 0%, they never suggest this but always suggest more tax......... IT doesnt say who this chap works fr? WOnder if his grant is up for renewal? why not just ban TV? save loads of energy, improve national health levels no end? Wont generate anymore Tax tho will it

It doesn't work that way I'm afraid mate. The EU has a socialist thrust to it, in my opinion. Socialists never want to reduce the tax take, always increase it. Just look at the last ten years here in the UK.

This climate change thing is an absolute bonanza for socialists.

[The Dude]

It's guys like Professor Arselbow, and his insightful wisdoms, that really make me regret not going to Uni and getting an 'education'.

[Fusewire]

WHy not drop VAT ie make "green" item VAT 0%

I agree, if the government were serious about climate change and protecting the environment then they would wouldn't they.

Truth is that they are not bothered about climate change in terms of protecting and preserving the environment and our natural resources, rather they are more interested in using it as a tool to generate tax income.

As such they fund scientific research as seen in this thread to support thier aims and goals.....

[JagoPlasma]

well its why they are changing to pay per mile for cars isnt it.

as soon as we have no petrol our cars will have to run on something else, presumably electricity. well you cant tax electricity for cars as you cant differentiate what the electric coming out of the sockets in your home is going to. also you may not be on the national grid and get your energy from renewable sources such as a windfarm

so that means they have to find another way of getting fuel tax when you dont buy fuel anymore, the only reliable way is pay per mile

it doesnt matter how clean something is, they want the money for it, it just so happens if its bad for the environment its an excuse to charge more!

its like the tax hike on 4x4's. yes they emit alot of emmisions, but all those emmisions are paid for thru the fuel they buy... dont like 4x4's tho, pain in the arse to see past at roundabouts/junctions

[njp]

Originally Posted by JagoPlasma

its like the tax hike on 4x4's. yes they emit alot of emmisions, but all those emmisions are paid for thru the fuel they buy...

In what sense are the emissions "paid for"? More petrol tax is raised, certainly, but the whole point of increasing road tax on such vehicles is to discourage people from buying them, or else to encourage manufacturers to make them more fuel-efficient.

[mw01908]

I think he means that they guzzle more fuel, thus pay more tax then other cars already. yes Labour love the green taxes, but Cameron is even worse with his flying tax. Not voting Tory now.

[njp]

Originally Posted by mw01908

I think he means that they guzzle more fuel, thus pay more tax then other cars already.

Really? Thanks for explaining that, because obviously it wasn't entirely clear from my use of the words "More petrol tax is raised, certainly".

I can see your contributions to the forum are going to be invaluable.

[mw01908]

I'll do my best to educate you. For the record I have a dislike of 4X4's so at least this is something we can agree on. I think most people here regardless if they believe in the global warming theory or not, are not keen on 4X4's.

They are unnecessary vehicles, most are not needed at all. People cruise around town in them with not a spot of mud from having been off road and used quite wastfully by single persons or mums on the school run. They are too big, cause accidents through lack of visibilty, are dangerous if in a collision with one. Very wasteful of fuel. I say charge them £5000 VED and tax them off our roads.

I'll do my best to educate you. For the record I have a dislike of Plasma's so at least this is something we can agree on. I think most people here regardless if they believe in the global warming theory or not, are not keen on Plasma's.

They are unnecessary luxuries, most are not needed at all. They are too big and very wasteful of energy. I say charge them £5000 and tax them off our walls.




Is one man's pleasure another man's poison?

[TheMuffDoctor]

Originally Posted by BliarOut

I'll do my best to educate you. For the record I have a dislike of Plasma's so at least this is something we can agree on. I think most people here regardless if they believe in the global warming theory or not, are not keen on Plasma's.

They are unnecessary luxuries, most are not needed at all. They are too big and very wasteful of energy. I say charge them £5000 and tax them off our walls.

Do you include LCD's in this group as the last time I looked Plasmas and LCD's were about all you can buy now.
I still do not understand how TV's harm the environment. I would appreciate it if someone could explain it in a civil manner. If it’s just that they use more electricity then CRT TV’s then surly that applies to everything, dishwashers are an example of wasteful, even though I have one and could not live without it.

Originally Posted by TheMuffDoctor

Do you include LCD's in this group as the last time I looked Plasmas and LCD's were about all you can buy now.
I still do not understand how TV's harm the environment. I would appreciate it if someone could explain it in a civil manner. If it’s just that they use more electricity then CRT TV’s then surly that applies to everything, dishwashers are an example of wasteful, even though I have one and could not live without it.

You could live without it, you choose not to. None of us need televisions, we choose to have them.


Just because one person doesn't like 4X4's as a means of transport doesn't mean you should be able to judge them for having one. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that.


Edited to add:
I'm merely playing devils advocate here.

[Ronski]

Originally Posted by mw01908

They are unnecessary vehicles, most are not needed at all. People cruise around town in them with not a spot of mud from having been off road and used quite wastfully by single persons or mums on the school run. They are too big, cause accidents through lack of visibilty, are dangerous if in a collision with one. Very wasteful of fuel. I say charge them £5000 VED and tax them off our roads.

So it's perfectly all right to drive a large engined 2 wheel drive car then? What abouts sports cars - do we need to race everywhere, after all the public highway is not a race track? What about all the older cars which are far less fuel efficient than a lot of modern 4x4?

I think a lot of people like 4x4 because of the size, they like to sit up higher and see whats going on better and it has nothing to do with the fact that they are 4 wheel drive, if manufactures made the same vehicles in two wheel drive I bet they would still sell, and yes they would be slightly more fuel efficient, but not much. As for being more dangerous, yes as they are bigger and generally stronger they will inflict more damage, but then so will a people carrier, a mini bus, a transit van, not to mention lorries, where do you stop?

And what do people class as a 4x4, remember the Fiat Panda, they made that as a 4WD, theres been lots of normal cars produced with 4WD, so when does a 4WD vehicle become a 4x4? If I buy an Audi A6 Allroad would I become the devil, it's the same as an Audi A6 Avant Quatro, but with taller suspension, same engine as well, but ones a car and the others a 4x4......

A lot of people hate caravans and motor home's,as they just clog up the roads, so lets charge £5000 VED on them as well whilst were at it

[Sonic67]

Since I got a large LCD TV I hardly go to the cinema now. So I use the car a lot less. So where's the problem?

[Fusewire]

Since I got a large LCD TV I hardly go to the cinema now. So I use the car a lot less. So where's the problem?

Unless one were to persue the politics of envy because you can't afford said TV yourself and dream up ever increasing ways of depriving others of thier enjoyment, then there really isn't a problem.

[paul1967]

My roads are that bad around here you need a 4wd and with all the speed bumps,I've been on smoother dirt tracks.

[damo_in_sale]

Originally Posted by paul1967

My roads are that bad around here you need a 4wd and with all the speed bumps,I've been on smoother dirt tracks.

I fancy a Land Rover just so it would annoy my leftie mates. My canvas print of Maggie (the Great Handbagger) performs the job superbly in the meantime. I hang it in the hallway before they arrive and make them salute as they enter