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Thank you.

[Black Hole]

Originally Posted by Tony212

Interestingly, when I rescanned last month after the final DSO phase in London (it was done in two phases) I ended up having to scan each mux manually, as a full scan put the weaker duplicate signals in prime positions rather than in the 800s. This time however that didn't happen.

The general opinion is that having any duplicate channels at all can confuse AR and EPG tracking. I recommend you at least delete the duplicates and/or multiple regions, or preferably perform a manual scan so they are never loaded in the first place.
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[Fmrl]

My area was DSO'ed last year and I haven't experienced any forced updates with 1.02.27 so hopefully once all the DSO work has been completed this won't really be much of an issue.

I'm guessing the transmitters send out a special "must update" message as part of ther DSO which unfortunately the Fox interprets literally.

[bairdyboy1980]

Hi has anyone used wdtv live to get access to recordings on the T2 over home network?

[donka]

Originally Posted by bairdyboy1980

Hi has anyone used wdtv live to get access to recordings on the T2 over home network?

Yes, I have done this a few times, WDTV upstairs in bedroom with the Humax downstairs.

[bairdyboy1980]

Originally Posted by donka

Yes, I have done this a few times, WDTV upstairs in bedroom with the Humax downstairs.

Hi I Pm'd u. How did u do this? My wdtv is only picking up my NAS as a media server. No humax box showing up.

[lstar337]

Thanks for the info in Part 9 RE: copy speeds across a network.

I was in a rush and thought the web interface would be the fastest way to do it, but I was wrong.

I have now installed the Samba plugin, which is much faster at around 10Mb/s.

[donka]

Originally Posted by bairdyboy1980

Hi I Pm'd u. How did u do this? My wdtv is only picking up my NAS as a media server. No humax box showing up.

Just replying here in case others have this issue. Have you set up the Humax to share over the network? It's under settings somewhere - I'm in the office so can't confirm exact navigation but it should be fairly obvious when you see it. After enabling this option the WDTV Live should see it under Media Shares next to your NAS as long as the Humax is powered on (blue light) - if it is in standby (orange light) then it won't be sharing on the network.
Let me know how you get on.

[bairdyboy1980]

Originally Posted by donka

Just replying here in case others have this issue. Have you set up the Humax to share over the network? It's under settings somewhere - I'm in the office so can't confirm exact navigation but it should be fairly obvious when you see it. After enabling this option the WDTV Live should see it under Media Shares next to your NAS as long as the Humax is powered on (blue light) - if it is in standby (orange light) then it won't be sharing on the network.
Let me know how you get on.

Ah right I didn't realise it had to be on. I thought it would share over network even on standby... Will have a look tonight. Thanks for the help!!

[donka]

Originally Posted by bairdyboy1980

Ah right I didn't realise it had to be on. I thought it would share over network even on standby... Will have a look tonight. Thanks for the help!!

No probs. I have my Humax set to power off after 4 hours of inactivity so if there is something I want to watch in bed via the network, I just leave the Humax on and head up stairs knowing the Humax will enter standby during the night.

[bairdyboy1980]

Originally Posted by donka

No probs. I have my Humax set to power off after 4 hours of inactivity so if there is something I want to watch in bed via the network, I just leave the Humax on and head up stairs knowing the Humax will enter standby during the night.

Brilliant will try that. Hope my firmware doesn't need updated, don't think it does!

[Black Hole]

Originally Posted by bairdyboy1980

Brilliant will try that. Hope my firmware doesn't need updated, don't think it does!

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Your HDR-FOX wakes up at 4.30 every morning to check, whether you like it or not.

[gunjin]

I have tried to search all 10 different parts of this thread as I am sure it has been answered before - but either could not get the right search terms or could not find anything useful. Here's my unanswered question:

I have two HDR T2s in two locations (i.e. not on the same network). Can I simply transfer HD TV recordings between these two boxes via the move/copy to USB drive functionality or do they use different encryption/decryption keys?

Cheers

[Black Hole]

Yes they most definitely do have different keys. You need to Foxy the .htm files first, and then when you copy to USB they will be decrypted in the process (same as StDef).

[gunjin]

Originally Posted by Black Hole

Yes they most definitely do have different keys. You need to Foxy the .htm files first, and then when you copy to USB they will be decrypted in the process (same as StDef).

I feared as much. All my attempts at FTP/Foxy/USB copy seem to result in corrupted ts files that play fon my PC or a few seconds (with sound) and then freeze or crash VLC/Splash/WMP etc..

[Fmrl]

Originally Posted by gunjin

I feared as much. All my attempts at FTP/Foxy/USB copy seem to result in corrupted ts files that play fon my PC or a few seconds (with sound) and then freeze or crash VLC/Splash/WMP etc..

Just wondering, possibly you've already ruled this out but what format is your PC's hard disk? If it's FAT32 then there's a 4Gb limit.

[jammyb2004]

Apologies of already covered. But....

can I record 2 channels and watch a recording with this unit?

[Owen Smith]

Originally Posted by jammyb2004

Apologies of already covered. But....

can I record 2 channels and watch a recording with this unit?

Yes, the HDR Fox T2 can do this no problem at all.

[Owen Smith]

Originally Posted by gunjin

I feared as much. All my attempts at FTP/Foxy/USB copy seem to result in corrupted ts files that play fon my PC or a few seconds (with sound) and then freeze or crash VLC/Splash/WMP etc..

I find that the decrypted .ts files have all the EPG metadata in it, often amounting to 10% of the total file size. This seems to upset many media players. I've used VLC in the past to strip the .ts down to just the audio and video and this seems to produce a file that is much more acceptable to media players. It doesn't take very long either since VLC is just re-muxing, no encoding is occuring.

[grahamlthompson]

Originally Posted by jammyb2004

Apologies of already covered. But....

can I record 2 channels and watch a recording with this unit?

Never seen a twin tuner pvr of any make that can't nor a single tuner one either. Replaying an existing recording does not need a tuner. The tuner did it's job when it's output is recorded to the hard disc.

[Owen Smith]

Originally Posted by grahamlthompson

Never seen a twin tuner pvr of any make that can't nor a single tuner one either. Replaying an existing recording does not need a tuner. The tuner did it's job when it's output is recorded to the hard disc.

How on earth can a single tuner PVR possibly record two channels? (whether playing back a recording or not). OK it might be able to do it if both channels are on the same mux, but in the general case of any two channels a single tuner PVR can't possibly record both of them.

Also, the Pace Twin had two tuners but could only record one channel at once. The other tuner was for watching live only. You might not have seen a Pace Twin, but it did exist and this is a sensible question from the original poster.

[jammyb2004]

Originally Posted by grahamlthompson

Never seen a twin tuner pvr of any make that can't nor a single tuner one either. Replaying an existing recording does not need a tuner. The tuner did it's job when it's output is recorded to the hard disc.

I only asked because the Panasonic pvr in the sticky above is mentioned not to have this capability.

Also can it play video content off USB whilst recording 2 channels? (again, the panasonic can't do this)

Cheers guys

[Owen Smith]

Originally Posted by jammyb2004

I only asked because the Panasonic pvr in the sticky above is mentioned not to have this capability.

Also can it play video content off USB whilst recording 2 channels? (again, the panasonic can't do this)

Yes the HDR Fox T2 can play video content either from USB or over the network from a NAS while recording two channels.

It can also use it's internet portal to play BBC iPlayer content while recording two channels (I'm aware of another box I think it's the Panasonic which can only access the internet when not recording, pretty rubbish really).

Quite why What HiFi gave the Panasonic a Best Buy ahead of the HDR Fox T2 is a mystery to me given the number of things the Panasonic can't do.

[grahamlthompson]

Originally Posted by Owen Smith

How on earth can a single tuner PVR possibly record two channels? (whether playing back a recording or not). OK it might be able to do it if both channels are on the same mux, but in the general case of any two channels a single tuner PVR can't possibly record both of them.

Also, the Pace Twin had two tuners but could only record one channel at once. The other tuner was for watching live only. You might not have seen a Pace Twin, but it did exist and this is a sensible question from the original poster.

Sorry I don't understand your point of view, I never said the question wasn't reasonable, merely that any Freesat+/Freeview+ box has the same capability, not just the Humax box you quoted.

The Pace Twin is not a Freeview+/Freesat+ certified box

Pretty sure there are not any such certified pvrs that cannot

Take the HD FOX T2 a single tuner box (not a Freeview+ certified box either), it can watch any recording while recording any other channel. It can also watch any channel on the same mux as the recording live. And yes it could record two channels at the same time from the same multiplex only the lack of firmware support precludes it.

The HDR FOX T2 can record three channels at the same time using only two tuners provided two of them share the same MUX ( In effect you can record any two HD Freeview channels and watch any other live, when any of the two recordings finish you can rewind the timeshift buffer and record the third, there is no technical reason why you can't record all 3 in the normal way). The third channel is recorded to the time shift buffer. When one of the ongoing recordings finishes you can rewind the buffer and record the third.

The generic satellite Humax Icord ( on which the Foxsat-hdr is based) can record up to 4 channels at once provided each pair is from the same transponder.

The Topfield Freeview recorders can with the aid of a TAP in fact record all the channels in a freeview mux at the same time using only a single tuner.

All twin tuner pvrs from Humax from the year dot can record two and watch
any recording (Topfield are the same). Additionally they have the capability to watch and time shift any other channel while recording two from the same mux/transponder.

If any modern twin tuner pvr can't pull off the basics of recording two and watching a recording, it should not be on the market.

Can you identify a twin tuner pvr Freesat+ or Freeview+ pvr or Sky+/Sky-HD pvr currently on sale that cannot ?

[Owen Smith]

Originally Posted by grahamlthompson

Take the HD FOX T2 a single tuner box (not a Freeview+ certified box either), it can watch any recording while recording any other channel. It can also watch any channel on the same mux as the recording live.

The question from the original poster was about recording 2 channels at once while watching a recording. You said all boxes can do this, but by your own information above the HD Fox T2 cannot. Nor can the Panasonic for some strange reason.

[Black Hole]

Use a bit of sense guys! Obviously a single-tuner PVR isn't expected to record two channels at once (not that the HD-FOX is actually a PVR - it's an HD tuner with PVR extensions). It was a slip of the pen and should be read as such.

The point is that any PVR worth its salt should be able to record as many channels as it has tuners for, and play back an existing recording at the same time. Some machines are able to go further than this by one means or another.

[Owen Smith]

Originally Posted by Black Hole

The point is that any PVR worth its salt should be able to record as many channels as it has tuners for, and play back an existing recording at the same time. Some machines are able to go further than this by one means or another.

Yes, and the original poster was checking that the Humax's can. It's of no use to the original poster just saying that all decent PVRs ought to be capable of this, what they want to know is which ones do ie. which ones are the decent PVRs and which ones are not.

[Black Hole]

Quite so.

[grahamlthompson]

Originally Posted by Owen Smith

Yes, and the original poster was checking that the Humax's can. It's of no use to the original poster just saying that all decent PVRs ought to be capable of this, what they want to know is which ones do ie. which ones are the decent PVRs and which ones are not.

Are there any Freeview+ or Freesat+ pvrs of any make that cannot. I don't think so

It's surely right to point that out to the poster.

[jammyb2004]

Originally Posted by grahamlthompson

Are there any Freeview+ or Freesat+ pvrs of any make that cannot. I don't think so

It's surely right to point that out to the poster.

i purely asked because the Panasonic DMR-HW100 320GB Twin HD Tuner PVR

Panasonic DMR-HW100 Twin HD Tuner 320 GB PVR - Master Thread.

CANNOT PLAY A RECORDING WHILST IT IS RECORDING 2 CHANNELS.

nor can it play a media file off USB if it is recording 2 channels.

i didn't know if this was normal and when i came across the TEN PART master thread for the HUMAX, i had to ask!

sorry to cause an argument!