[desm52]

Originally Posted by petrev

Hi

Front USB - Menu Method

is the correct way for all Updates unless instructed otherwise.

Why does the upgrade page instructions (bottom of Upgrade page) say to use the rear usb?

[petrev]

Originally Posted by desm52

Why does the upgrade page instructions (bottom of Upgrade page) say to use the rear usb?

Hi

That page references the method for Full Version Update and is not needed for this update - The page hasn't been changed to reflect the latest release.

You can do whichever method you prefer but I would say use the Menu Method (can be done from any USB port - Front is easiest).

Cheers
Pete

[petrev]

AUDIO PATCH version of Update 412

Hi

There is an "Audio Patch" version of Update 412 now available on the MIT website

MIT London Ltd. - Software Download

Item 3

This version of 4.12 has the (Lt/Rt) method for Downmix of HD5.1 Broadcast Audio and is more suitable for those that do not use 5.1.

This is an interim fix while we wait for Broadcom to provide a full fix.

Pete

[Kelmscott]

Originally Posted by Bunny

Hi, thanks to JeffD and rip82 for a speedy reply. I understand that you cannot reorder programs in the sd/hd/radio catagories. I am very used to doing this on my Toppy, albeit by use of the relevant TAP. Does anyone also want this facility and has it been raised to MIT and is on their wishlist? If not, can you please tell me how I can get it on their list for a possible future update.
Thanks

Well, you can sort the Service List, by pressing the BLUE button while looking at it, and choosing Name or Number (Manual, p19)

But it isn't sticky, and it doesn't affect the associated EPG list, which remains obdurately presented by number. So I'm not sure what use it is :-(

On p19, the manual also says you can sort by HD or SD, but it actually means 'filter' - you can't have the HD above the SD, or vice versa, only choose one, or the other, or both.

But I have set up Favourites 1 just to hold the HD programmes, and when I've got this selected, the EPG does also only show the HD programmes.

So Filter yes, which is useful, and should go some of the way towards what you want. But actual Sort, no.

[Kelmscott]

I was happily reading the Master Thread Part Seven by subscription and a daily email, when it ended, and Part Eight started.

I understand why the Master Thread needs to be restarted periodically in this way, and likewise why my subscription couldn't jump across, as the Forum software doesn't know the Parts are linked.

And I wanted to post anyway, so subscribing to this new Part wasn't a problem.

But supposing I just wanted to keep lurking? Is there any way to subscribe without posting? If so, I couldn't find it.

[Kelmscott]

Well, I snarfed up the very last 8205 in stock at my local Waitrose/John Lewis on Saturday, and set it up Sunday morning, ready for the Men's Final at Wimbledon that afternoon.

Quite surprised to see 'Manufactured in the UK' on the box - I thought they came in from Korea. Good we still make something, then.

Also surprised, and pleased, to get an HDMI cable in the box, which is a bonus, besided the usual SCART. Odd there's no male/female aerial cable extender, though, as one of these is essential to putting the PVR in the RF chain from wall socket to TV. Fortunately, I had one.

I set the 8205 up from the Quick Start Guide (or tried to). But this does not think to tell you to switch the unit on at the back(!), so I pressed the Standby button on the front, and nothing happened. (The QSG does not think to tell you to press that button either, but I did manage to figure that out for myself).

But Troubleshooting (1) put me right, after which it was all plain sailing. On our 46in Sony, the HD from the 8205 over the Sony's SD (or the 8205's SD) was like going to BluRay from something slightly sub-DVD.

SWMBO couldn't see it as mattering all that much, and muttered darkly about 'Emperor's New Clothes', but was much mollified by the PIP, which we haven't had since our first Sony VHS recorder - and even that was never two broadcast channels at once.

The machine is at 4.11, so not in desperate need of an upgrade, but it seems there is much more fun to be had with it by tinkering with the software than by watching or recording programmes, so I'll commence to that next weekend, after trying out a few recordings in the meantime.

Getting the 8205 means the BT Vision PVR is relegated to the bedroom, where SD is fine with the 26" set there. They have just come out with the BBC iPlayer, and this works very well, so it will be nice to see it on the 8205 as well, when it arrives, though we can already get it on the S370 in the lounge, so it's not urgent.

[Clem_Dye]

Originally Posted by petrev

AUDIO PATCH version of Update 412

Hi

There is an "Audio Patch" version of Update 412 now available on the MIT website

MIT London Ltd. - Software Download

Item 3

This version of 4.12 has the (Lt/Rt) method for Downmix of HD5.1 Broadcast Audio and is more suitable for those that do not use 5.1.

This is an interim fix while we wait for Broadcom to provide a full fix.

Pete

Pete -- OK, I'm confused again! Is 4.12 a go, or not? I'd planned to install the 4.12 firmware at the weekend and set the DS to pass 5.1 audio into my Sony TV. That said, I don't always route the TV's audio into my amp. On that basis, is the original 4.12 OK when the DS is set-up that way, do I need the interim 4.12 that you mention or do I have to wait for the Broadcom fix?

I'm getting too old for all this

Cheers


Clem

[iaint]

Hi. Depends if your Sony TV can decode DD; if the TV does the 5.1 -> 2.0 downmixing, the DS firmware fix doesn't seem relevant. Just install 4.12 and set Dolby Digital to 'On'. -- Regards, Iain.

[JeffD]

Originally Posted by Kelmscott

Well, you can sort the Service List, by pressing the BLUE button while looking at it, and choosing Name or Number (Manual, p19)

But it isn't sticky, and it doesn't affect the associated EPG list, which remains obdurately presented by number. So I'm not sure what use it is :-(

On p19, the manual also says you can sort by HD or SD, but it actually means 'filter' - you can't have the HD above the SD, or vice versa, only choose one, or the other, or both.

But I have set up Favourites 1 just to hold the HD programmes, and when I've got this selected, the EPG does also only show the HD programmes.

So Filter yes, which is useful, and should go some of the way towards what you want. But actual Sort, no.

Did you know you can change the default service list to a Favourite List, this makes it sticky so is saved for use in the EPG, changing channels via CH +/- buttons, and is remember after resuming from standby.

Apologies if you already know this, just checking you're not missing out on something.

If you weren't aware then check out FAQ 27 that I put together.

As you're a new user take a look at the other FAQ items as well.

[JeffD]

Originally Posted by Kelmscott

Quite surprised to see 'Manufactured in the UK' on the box - I thought they came in from Korea. Good we still make something, then

Assembled in the UK would probably be a more accurate description, as although some parts like the HDD's are sourced locally in the UK the rest is mostly shipped in from Korea I believe, this is done to avoid the high import duty on assembled goods making it cheaper for us to buy

[JeffD]

Originally Posted by Clem_Dye

Pete -- OK, I'm confused again! Is 4.12 a go, or not? I'd planned to install the 4.12 firmware at the weekend and set the DS to pass 5.1 audio into my Sony TV. That said, I don't always route the TV's audio into my amp. On that basis, is the original 4.12 OK when the DS is set-up that way, do I need the interim 4.12 that you mention or do I have to wait for the Broadcom fix?

I'm getting too old for all this

Cheers


Clem

My understanding is that if you plan to output 5.1 via optical or HDMI then stick with 4.12.r8569-FVU, however if you output stereo then use 4.12.r8578-FVU (BBC HD Audio Noise Patch)

Comparing the files from the MIT site, both downloads contain the same files, so the only difference is in the stereo downmix behaviour when 5.1 is broadcast.

[petrev]

Originally Posted by Clem_Dye

Pete -- OK, I'm confused again! Is 4.12 a go, or not? I'd planned to install the 4.12 firmware at the weekend and set the DS to pass 5.1 audio into my Sony TV. That said, I don't always route the TV's audio into my amp. On that basis, is the original 4.12 OK when the DS is set-up that way, do I need the interim 4.12 that you mention or do I have to wait for the Broadcom fix?

I'm getting too old for all this

Cheers


Clem

Hi

If you are using 5.1 output then the standard 4.12 is for you.
You have to set the Dolby Output to ON and then either use the TV's downmix or your amplifier's 5.1 via TV-SPDIF Pass-through.

The Audio Patch is for those who do not have 5.1 enabled equipment or have DD set to OFF.

EDIT: What Jeff said

Cheers
Pete

[algieuk]

I had a problem with my Samsung TV after the 411 update. The signal was only found when the box was booted with the TV turned on. Anything that caused the output res to change, or if a different input was selected then the negotiation was lost which prevented the TV from finding a signal from the DS until the DS was rebooted. Same problem with 412 update,

After some research I found that turning off HDhotplug and HDhotplugctl in the service menu of the TV resolved the issue, and improves the startup no-end.

Applies to some other makes of TV too I believe although some call it HDMI clock control.

[davidgu]

I've just updated to 4.12 in the hope that the random dropout problem I've been having would be fixed ... sad to say, it's not.

Here's what's happening.

Randomly, I get a <1s black screen and no audio. It's very short and not a major inconvenience, but it's clearly not right.

Worse (though thankfully more rarely) I get 2-3s of screen static and white noise before the picture and sound return.

This happens on live TV or playback of recorded material - but if I rewind (either) and replay, there's no dropout. This would seem to suggest it's not a problem with the input, but the output.

Would this behaviour be consistent with an HDMI cable problem causing a temporary HDMI resync? I'm using the HDMI cable supplied in the box ... should I shell out for a more expensive cable?

[petrev]

Originally Posted by davidgu

I've just updated to 4.12 in the hope that the random dropout problem I've been having would be fixed ... sad to say, it's not.

Here's what's happening.

Randomly, I get a <1s black screen and no audio. It's very short and not a major inconvenience, but it's clearly not right.

Worse (though thankfully more rarely) I get 2-3s of screen static and white noise before the picture and sound return.

This happens on live TV or playback of recorded material - but if I rewind (either) and replay, there's no dropout. This would seem to suggest it's not a problem with the input, but the output.

Would this behaviour be consistent with an HDMI cable problem causing a temporary HDMI resync? I'm using the HDMI cable supplied in the box ... should I shell out for a more expensive cable?

Hi

Sounds like HDMI problem.

Try pluging both ends in and out a few times - This can clean the contacts and may help.

Pete

[first500]

Originally Posted by JeffD

My understanding is that if you plan to output 5.1 via optical or HDMI then stick with 4.12.r8569-FVU, however if you output stereo then use 4.12.r8578-FVU (BBC HD Audio Noise Patch)

Comparing the files from the MIT site, both downloads contain the same files, so the only difference is in the stereo downmix behaviour when 5.1 is broadcast.

So if I'm just connected via HDMI to an ordinary telly with stereo speakers, does it matter which download I use?

[iaint]

Hi. Depends if your telly can decode DD; some can, some can't (my LG LD490 can, for example). If it can, you can set Dolby Digital to On and let the telly downmix (perhaps using a fake-surround option), then the suggestion is to use the original 4.12, but I don't think it matters. -- Regards, Iain.

[KayCS]

Originally Posted by Kelmscott

I was happily reading the Master Thread Part Seven by subscription and a daily email, when it ended, and Part Eight started.

I understand why the Master Thread needs to be restarted periodically in this way, and likewise why my subscription couldn't jump across, as the Forum software doesn't know the Parts are linked.

And I wanted to post anyway, so subscribing to this new Part wasn't a problem.

But supposing I just wanted to keep lurking? Is there any way to subscribe without posting? If so, I couldn't find it.

I know what you’re saying; I have the same problem so hence this post.

While I am on but having no problems with my DS I would like to say thanks to Petrev for the heads up on the Harmony 600 @ £30 from Amazon.

Arrived today and working a treat just like my DS.

[JeffD]

Originally Posted by KayCS

I know what you’re saying; I have the same problem so hence this post.

While I am on but having no problems with my DS I would like to say thanks to Petrev for the heads up on the Harmony 600 @ £30 from Amazon.

Arrived today and working a treat just like my DS.

From what Pete has said the setup on the my.harmony website isn't as flexible as the setup software that runs on your PC, the downloadable setup software can be found at Harmony® Advanced Universal Remotes

[petrev]

Originally Posted by JeffD

From what Pete has said the setup on the my.harmony website isn't as flexible as the setup software that runs on your PC, the downloadable setup software can be found at Harmony® Advanced Universal Remotes

Thanks Jeff
Absolutely

Use the software for more control or myharmony.com for a simple setup.

One overwrites the other's setup by the way !

Subscribing !
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[anotherjohnh]

Originally Posted by lds1

I have Kennedys on series link BBCHD both episodes recorded OK for me.

BTW did anyone notice that Emmerdale did not record on Friday 1st Jul? on ITV1HD or FreesatHD.

Cheers,

Laurie.

Did not record on Freeview. Did Freesat not work either?

The box is plain 3.57 and transmitter is Sutton Coldfield.

The only place I can see anyone else complaining about this is here on this forum - no other STB types.

What happened? It used to be a reliable box of tricks.

I can't believe there are only three people in the UK recording Emmerdale who find the need to grumble about it.

[Ratchet]

Originally Posted by davidgu

I've just updated to 4.12 in the hope that the random dropout problem I've been having would be fixed ... sad to say, it's not.

Here's what's happening.

Randomly, I get a <1s black screen and no audio. It's very short and not a major inconvenience, but it's clearly not right.

Worse (though thankfully more rarely) I get 2-3s of screen static and white noise before the picture and sound return.

This happens on live TV or playback of recorded material - but if I rewind (either) and replay, there's no dropout. This would seem to suggest it's not a problem with the input, but the output.

Would this behaviour be consistent with an HDMI cable problem causing a temporary HDMI resync? I'm using the HDMI cable supplied in the box ... should I shell out for a more expensive cable?

Sounds like the problem I reported in part six of this thread. Check out the video in post #158 to see if this is the same issue. I changed to HDMI 2 and this improved things greatly but did not eliminate it completely. Something seems to have changed from FW 4.03 onwards as 3.57 doesn't have the problem. I'm not fussed about iPlayer or AVI support as my Sony BluRay handles these so 3.57 is fine for me.

You don't have an LG TV by any chance ?

[Clem_Dye]

Originally Posted by petrev

Hi

If you are using 5.1 output then the standard 4.12 is for you.
You have to set the Dolby Output to ON and then either use the TV's downmix or your amplifier's 5.1 via TV-SPDIF Pass-through.

The Audio Patch is for those who do not have 5.1 enabled equipment or have DD set to OFF.

EDIT: What Jeff said

Cheers
Pete

Pete -- thanks. One further quick q then please. Does the audio patch version still pass DD5.1 OK when set to ON?

Cheers


Clem

[quarryhunslet]

Originally Posted by anotherjohnh

Did not record on Freeview. Did Freesat not work either?

The box is plain 3.57 and transmitter is Sutton Coldfield.

The only place I can see anyone else complaining about this is here on this forum - no other STB types.

What happened? It used to be a reliable box of tricks.

I can't believe there are only three people in the UK recording Emmerdale who find the need to grumble about it.

I can confirm that my Humax HDR-FOX T2 recorded it ok.

[professorhat]

Has anyone moved house with the box as yet? I'm moving from Croydon to Surbiton on Friday, so likely will have to change transmitters and therefore do a rescan / set up all my schedules again (grumble ).

Any tips / gotchas from anyone who's already done this, or is it just a simple re-tune, re-set up of timers?

Thanks!

[colino green]

Originally Posted by iaint

Hi. Depends if your telly can decode DD; some can, some can't (my LG LD490 can, for example). If it can, you can set Dolby Digital to On and let the telly downmix (perhaps using a fake-surround option), then the suggestion is to use the original 4.12, but I don't think it matters. -- Regards, Iain.

Does anyone know if the Sony Bravia EX503 series has the Dolby Digital option and if so, where can I find it? I've had a big long look today and I can't find the option anywhere in the menus.

In the meantime I have been able to upgrade to the 4.12 with audio patch to stop the horrid clipping problems.

[iaint]

Hi.

Originally Posted by colino green

Does anyone know if the Sony Bravia EX503 series has the Dolby Digital option and if so, where can I find it? I've had a big long look today and I can't find the option anywhere in the menus.

In the meantime I have been able to upgrade to the 4.12 with audio patch to stop the horrid clipping problems.

I'm afraid the manual doesn't make it clear; perhaps you could try it? Set Dolby Digital to 'On' on the DS and try playing something with 5.1 audio. If you can get an information screen up by pressing the info button on the remote (just above options), it should say there if it's decoding DD... -- Regards, Iain.

[algieuk]

Originally Posted by davidgu

I've just updated to 4.12 in the hope that the random dropout problem I've been having would be fixed ... sad to say, it's not.

Here's what's happening.

Randomly, I get a <1s black screen and no audio. It's very short and not a major inconvenience, but it's clearly not right.

Worse (though thankfully more rarely) I get 2-3s of screen static and white noise before the picture and sound return.

This happens on live TV or playback of recorded material - but if I rewind (either) and replay, there's no dropout. This would seem to suggest it's not a problem with the input, but the output.

Would this behaviour be consistent with an HDMI cable problem causing a temporary HDMI resync? I'm using the HDMI cable supplied in the box ... should I shell out for a more expensive cable?

Don't know if it is relevant, but from 4.11 onwards I got HDMI problems. I have a Samsung LCD TV. As I mentioned in another post I found info that suggested I turn off HDhotplug and HDhotplugctrl in the service menu. Fixed the problem. On other sets it is HD clock control that needs turning off. Don't know if your problem is to do with the firmware changes, but as it relates to HDMI and started with f/w 4.11 it may be connected.

[petrev]

Originally Posted by colino green

Does anyone know if the Sony Bravia EX503 series has the Dolby Digital option and if so, where can I find it? I've had a big long look today and I can't find the option anywhere in the menus.

In the meantime I have been able to upgrade to the 4.12 with audio patch to stop the horrid clipping problems.

Hi

Just checked on my HX703 which is probably the same as your EX503 (?)


HDR set to DD = ON

If you set TV
HOME > Settings > Sound > Speakers = Audio System
(+Optical Out = Auto)
SPDIF Output is DD2.0/5.1 (passed through).

If you set TV
HOME > Settings > Sound > Speakers = TV Speakers then TV Reports DD
SPDIF Output is DownMix PCM Stereo

My best setup would be
4.12 DD=ON (4.12 Standard Version) and changing TV as above depending on whether watching with TV Sound or AVR.

If you do not set TV Speakers = Audio System then you do not get DD Pass Through !

You can use 4.12 (SV) with DHR Optical SPDIF to AVR and HDMI DD=ON to TV in TV Speaker Mode and TV will Downmix any 5.1.

If you use 4.12 Audio Patch Version then you will not get the 5.1 Downmix Audio Problem but may get "Jools Effect" on some 5.1 Source Material. You will only get 5.1 Pass through if you set the TV to Audio System.


Any questions
Pete

ps. You can revert to 4.12 Std.Version (from 4.12 AP Version) using the Menu Method Update.

[petrev]

Originally Posted by algieuk

Don't know if it is relevant, but from 4.11 onwards I got HDMI problems. I have a Samsung LCD TV. As I mentioned in another post I found info that suggested I turn off HDhotplug and HDhotplugctrl in the service menu. Fixed the problem. On other sets it is HD clock control that needs turning off. Don't know if your problem is to do with the firmware changes, but as it relates to HDMI and started with f/w 4.11 it may be connected.

algieuk

Posted in the FAQ Thread #39

39. I had a problem with my Samsung TV after the 411 update.

The HDMI signal was only found when the box was booted with the TV turned on.
Anything that caused the output res to change, or if a different input was selected then the negotiation was lost which prevented the TV from finding a signal from the DS until the DS was rebooted. Same problem with 412 update,

Solution.
After some research I found that turning off HDhotplug and HDhotplugctl in the service menu of the TV resolved the issue, and improves the startup no-end.

Applies to some other makes of TV too I believe, although some call it HDMI clock control.