Bluray "A dead technology"...

Bagoose · 02-01-2009, 4:21 PM

A while back i went into my local B&O shop. The salesman there was helpful, willing to listen to customers needs with regards to what systems they should buy. He admitted to being an Xbox fan personally. However one thing he said has stuck with me. He said he didn't like Bluray and, anyway "It's dead technology".... he didnt clarify this....

What did he mean? Is it true?? Personally I love bluray, and recommend it to anyone that will listen, but whenever Im watching a film, blown away by stunning visuals, this phrase always pops into my head....should I be concerned, or is he full of crap?

Discuss...

Big_Si_Owen · 02-01-2009, 4:26 PM

Did he say this when the HD DVD Vs Blu-ray battle was raging or after Blu-ray rode back from the battlefield victorious?

It's certainly live for now... Sometime in the future (whenever that may be?!?) it will go to the great extinct technology warehouse in the sky though...

Bagoose · 02-01-2009, 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big_Si_Owen

Did he say this when the HD DVD Vs Blu-ray battle was raging or after Blu-ray rode back from the battlefield victorious?

It's certainly live for now... Sometime in the future (whenever that may be?!?) it will go to the great extinct technology warehouse in the sky though...

Nope - bluray had "Won the war" by this point, we're talking November ish...
Thats exactly what i thought - thats like saying dont buy a PS3, as one day they'll release the PS4... but don't get that, as the PS5 will be out a few years after that...

Tom500 · 02-01-2009, 4:28 PM

Like DVD's can only display upto 570p and Blueray up to 1080p you now have this on its way

HDTV UK: Forget 1080p, look on to 1440p, then 2160p?

Every peice of new technology is effectivley dead as soon as it hits the shelves!

ash08 · 02-01-2009, 4:34 PM

I'd wager that he was refering to HD as a tangible product...Maybe he was refering to HD downloads eventually taking over as the publics prefered method of purchasing HD material.

This is also the opinion of quite a few Hollywood heavyweights, Michael Bay for example, also many studios.

I love Blu-Ray

*cols* · 02-01-2009, 4:41 PM

I don't think downloads will kill off blu ray, for the same reason mp3's etc haven't killed off cd... Most people like owning the actual physical thing, album / film etc. Blu ray will be here for the next few years at least, it'll gradually take over from dvd, like dvd did from vhs, of course one day it'll be dead but that's a while off.

blu disc · 02-01-2009, 4:49 PM

I think technology is moving to quick for the average consumer. VHS was around for so long everyone bought into it. When dvd came out we all went crazy and snapped up players and before we could bat an eye HD DVD and Blu ray was upon us. I think the average consumer thinks that blu ray will be replaced quickly and the confidence isnt there to buy into the technology

ash08 · 02-01-2009, 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colspark

I don't think downloads will kill off blu ray, for the same reason mp3's etc haven't killed off cd... Most people like owning the actual physical thing, album / film etc. Blu ray will be here for the next few years at least, it'll gradually take over from dvd, like dvd did from vhs, of course one day it'll be dead but that's a while off.

I'd certainly agree with that. I love a tangible product and a collection I can actually see. I like to get the very best out of my system and don't see downloads as an option on that front at the moment. Saying that, I know a lot more people who now download their movies rather than buy a disc and this includes HD content.

*gavan* · 02-01-2009, 5:14 PM

I used to think that I preferred buying something physical but since getting a NAS with a large HDD and transferring all my audio and most of my video across to it I can safely say that not having to store and then search through a huge pile of boxes of optical discs to listen to/watch something outweighs the sense of loss of a tangible product.

The only thing holding me back from unreservedly going for downloads is the DRM issue. I'm just not willing to buy DRMed material in a proprietary format that ends up getting locked to a single device.

I want media files in a standard format that I can move onto any relevant digital device.

That said, I have bought a few choice Bluray movies.

chowyunfatt · 02-01-2009, 6:13 PM

My, theres alot of this going about lately!

I know! I'll start a thread "PS3 No Good Games" and then were all set.

Sinzer · 02-01-2009, 6:19 PM

Considering it has taken 5 years for BluRay and HD to become mainstream, I can see it being a while before it is dropped. These days technology races ahead, but it is becoming increasingly difficult to sell that to the public in large quantities.

Houghsx · 02-01-2009, 6:22 PM

Funny that, the last few reports I saw said that sales where on the up

Then Sony is part of the group behind blu ray so it must be doomed along with the PS3 right.

killiefan · 02-01-2009, 6:32 PM

B&O? More money than sense. Sure it wasn't B&Q?

Bribrian · 02-01-2009, 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagoose

He admitted to being an Xbox fan personally.

Says it all really......if HD DVD was the winning format he would probably have told you it was the future.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowyunfatt

My, theres alot of this going about lately!

I know! I'll start a thread "PS3 No Good Games" and then were all set.

Or....... 'Is the PS3 just an expensive George Foreman Grill'...

I reckon Blu-ray will be here for some time, it's the format of choice of the film industry & as others have said, it's very doubtful that downloads will ever be taken up by joe public........

chowyunfatt · 02-01-2009, 6:54 PM

And I thought Blu-ray was a Sony and PS3 only fad!

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Davy · 02-01-2009, 6:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killiefan

B&O? More money than sense. Sure it wasn't B&Q?

I was thinking exactly the same myself. Quite a few of these salesmen think that they are the only ones who know anything about AV and B&O salesmen are no different; some even take a somewhat elitist attitude because they sell an over-priced product.

IMO I think film downloads will take off once download speeds are increased and increased dramatically for that matter, although I do like to look at the extras on DVD/Bluray discs and I'm not sure these would be made as available as they are on discs. I still buy the odd CD, but like the instant availability of music downloads. If I want a track or a complete album at 9 o'clock at night, I can have it within minutes and I like that.

I would love a NAS system, like 'gavan' appears to have, but that is just a personal choice. As for Blu ray being dead technology? Maybe, but not yet and currently there's nothing to beat it.

BenchyUK · 02-01-2009, 7:11 PM

Blu-ray Sales Up 400% in UK

Quote:

The British Video Association (BVA) has revealed that 1.5 Million Blu-ray titles were sold during the month of December, representing a nearly 400% increase over the same period last year, despite the tough economic environment. The top Blu-ray seller, not surprisingly, was Warner's 'The Dark Knight' which sold 281,000 units during the month.

http://uk.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2223

That's pretty good considering our high prices for Blu-Ray too

DJ Ovengloves · 02-01-2009, 7:19 PM

400% of bugger all is still bugger all

Price needs to drop in the high street or the whole HD revolution will pass most people by.....which will be an arse considered the money I've spent on it.

DJ Ovengloves · 02-01-2009, 7:21 PM

people who by blu-ray disks....

consumers!

They are the ones to be convinced, not the "contributers"

get to a happy price point then happy days, otherwise "niche market, here I will stay"

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowyunfatt

And I thought Blu-ray was a Sony and PS3 only fad!

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Dell
HP
Hitachi
LG
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic
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Philips
Samsung
Sharp
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TDK
Thomson
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney
Warner Bros.

Contributors
Acer Incorporated
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Almedio Inc.
Alticast
Aplix Corporation
ArcSoft, Inc.
AudioDev AB
Broadcom Corporation
Canon Inc.
CESI Technology Co. Ltd.
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Monster Cable Products
Moser Baer India Limited
NEC Electronics Corporation
Nero
Osmosys SA
Pixela Corporation
Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd.
Ricoh Co., Ltd.
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Singulus Technologies
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Darth_terra · 02-01-2009, 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenchyUK

Blu-ray Sales Up 400% in UK

Blu-ray.com - Blu-ray Sales Up 400% in UK

That's pretty good considering our high prices for Blu-Ray too

Yeah that is good to see, as for high prices, leading up to the Christmas period they were cut on most sites, I got Dark knight, Iron man and Hellboy 2 on blu-ray at the HMV website for £47 which isn't bad had it been earlier in the year it would have been a lot more,

chowyunfatt · 02-01-2009, 7:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

people who by blu-ray disks....

consumers!

They are the ones to be convinced, not the "contributers"

get to a happy price point then happy days, otherwise "niche market, here I will stay"

1- And here's me thinking Blu-rays will always be £18-£20

2- HD-DVD's were cheap and they took off big time.

HimIndoors · 02-01-2009, 7:30 PM

Given the recent economic problems a lot of stores have suddenly become very competitive with the price of blu-rays. Go into Asda or blockbuster and they have plenty of decent films for the 2 for £20 offer. The availability of more films, more offers, drops in the price in players is only going to lead to one thing IMO. Law of supply & demand, simple economics - the demand is becoming greater so the price will drop.

Same happened with DVD's when first released if I remember correctly...

chowyunfatt · 02-01-2009, 7:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

400% of bugger all is still bugger all

Price needs to drop in the high street or the whole HD revolution will pass most people by.....which will be an arse considered the money I've spent on it.

I'm not sure Warner thick that 600k is bugger all for first day sales and well over 2 million worldwide sales of the Dark Knight do you.

Which equates to about 35-40% of total video sales on Blu-Ray, that's a big amount of bugger all if you ask me.

DJ Ovengloves · 02-01-2009, 7:35 PM

Why the sarcasm, I thought I put over a coherent point?

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowyunfatt

1- And here's me thinking Blu-rays will always be £18-£20

2- HD-DVD's were cheap and they took off big time.

DJ Ovengloves · 02-01-2009, 7:39 PM

Compare the sales to DVD my friend or the (Mumma ****ing meeeea ABBA crap on DVD).

The "problem" blu-ray is that the difference from Video to DVD was massive and there was no longer and sequential searching for you favourite bits. Blu-ray seems to be at the mercy of:-

A) Poor transfers in some cases so not being much better visually that a DVD.
B) Needs a reasoable screen, with someoe who can set it up properly.
C) The fact that some people (not me) can't see a difference (probably due to 1 ad 2 above).
D) It's too expensive for most people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowyunfatt

I'm not sure Warner thick that 600k is bugger all for first day sales and well over 2 million worldwide sales of the Dark Knight do you.

Which equates to about 35-40% of total video sales on Blu-Ray.

chowyunfatt · 02-01-2009, 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

Why the sarcasm, I thought I put over a coherent point?

Just having a laugh, you can't seriously think Blu-Rays will remain high and with all those company's backing it they will just let it fail?

It will be a natural progression, how long it takes depends on how much it's forced on us by the manufactures and going buy sales that might not be too far away.

BenchyUK · 02-01-2009, 7:44 PM

Well i'm happy with Blu-Ray on my 40'' LCD. It's looks amazing and will only look better in the future when i have my own house and a 100'' HD Projector

After Blu-Ray you have 3D which i can see being a far more niche and being more in the Cinemas rather than in peoples homes

chowyunfatt · 02-01-2009, 7:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

Compare the sales to DVD my friend or the Mumma ****ing meeeea ABBA crap).

The "problem" blu-ray is that the difference from Video to DVD was massive and there was no longer and sequential searching for you favourite bits. Blu-ray seems to be at the mercy of:-

A) Poor transfers in some cases so not being much better visually that a DVD.
B) Needs a reasoable screen, with someoe who can set it up properly.
C) The fact that some people (not me) can't see a difference (probably due to 1 ad 2 above).

Just imagine players are at a price of around £50 or so like they will be one day.
Let me put it another way, If you can buy a Blu-Ray for the same price as a DVD with the same amount of choice and either watch it in SD on your 27" tube TV or 1080p on your 60" LCD you would stop buying movies just because it has Blu-Ray on the box and not DVD?

Everybody wins, people who want HD and PCM and everybody else that just want to watch films like they do now.
I really can't understand people that seam to want it to fail! it will benefit everybody as soon as the content is wide enough and the price is right then why not?

Maybe because Sony has a interest in it? that seams to be the general feeling as for where the negative comments and news story's come from.

DJ Ovengloves · 02-01-2009, 7:45 PM

So am I

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenchyUK

Well i'm happy with Blu-Ray on my 40'' LCD. It's looks amazing and will only look better in the future when i have my own house and a 100'' HD Projector

chowyunfatt · 02-01-2009, 8:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

Compare the sales to DVD my friend or the (Mumma ****ing meeeea ABBA crap on DVD).

That film has had amazing sales but I'm sure that when DVD had been out for 2 years you didn't see sales like that.

We need a bigger disk based medium and if it's not Blu-Ray then another one will be needed it goes alot deeper than just films, disk will always be needed at least for the foreseeable future and 8.5gb just isn't big enough.

HDD's or some kind of Solid state will eventually be the in thing but thats so far down the line before everybody is able to do that so in the mean time Blu-Ray fits the bill, If HD-DVD had taken off that too would of been good, not quite as good as Blu-Ray at the time because of storage size but still better than DVD.